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A new Guerilla growing method.?

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Bamse92

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Hello! This is a description of a new kind of growing method that i never heard of before. And the writer claims a succes rate from previously about 10% to 95% !

"hey buddy
ive experimented three seasons doing this,
the best method ive come up with ,
has given me near 100% success,
That is to put the seeds in either just the earth or better, rockwool
cubes , which are buried up to their necks.Then the important thing is to
cover them in a clear plastic cup. this acts like a mini greenhouse.
Use a nail from the stove to melt two tiny holes in the cups, which prevents
dampening off or mold with a little circulation.

Now when ive just used planting with no plastic cups ive gotten like 2 out of 60
to come up, but with the cups ill get about 95%.
Come back in about two to three weeks to then uncover the seedlings.
The real bonus to this system is not carrying in a pile of seedlings
which can be a real sycurity issue. instead a baggie of pre popped
beans fitting right in your pocket!
yeah i did find it important to pre pop them,
if you dont some may not germ for a good while,
if you pre pop just make sure you dont plant in to to early
may sounds right.
good luck."

Basically, is the "Plastic cup" This effective?

I live in Sweden, so i am about to plant me a good 80 plants this coming summer. And i cant have them inside for the baby period.

Thanks! :)
 
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idiit

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^ great post!

i've been growing outdoors for 30 years and starting from seed directly in the ground is a cold B I T C H.

the clear plastic cups can also deter bugs (especially my enemy; cutworms), mice, rabbits.
you can carry in quite a few stacked cups at a time in a locker/gym bag.

"Strategy is for amateurs. Logistics is for professionals." -General Norman Schwarzkopf"
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the logistics of carrying in plants to be transplanted is much less desirable that the seeds/seedling method.

"you can carry in thousands of seedlings. you can safely carry in only a few transplants at a time ( and they often get beaten up badly in the process)" General Idiit :)

the more trips you make to a grow site the more you endanger the grow site's security.

i'm from wild hemp country; america's bread basket, kansas. hemp comes up on its own early april and never preflowers. it has no indoor 24-16 hr. daytime cycle to outdoor daylight 13-15 hr. photo cycle shock to go thru.

transplant too early and get into preflower hell. bugs, mice, extra hot temps later in late may/june, early july.

with your method the earlier the better ( later flowering varieties) (after the last frosts/freezes and sunlight past 13 hrs). if first crop fails in 7-10 days you got opportunity for another go at it, and another, and another. gots to have lots of seeds.

i've tried to grow from seedlings with a 4" tail on 'em straight into the ground as have thousands of other growers. it does not usually pan out well.

transplanting large well established plants outdoors is my present method and it works. i get big yields per plant. i've always wanted to do some straight seedling transplants early in the year, but to no success.


i'm going to try this out as well bamse92.

i will transplant late flowering young seedlings with 4" tail in middle april ( n hemisphere) directly into very fertile soil using this method. i'll have my indoor transplants ready to go should this method not work out.

you've made a fantastic first post. :)

now, if you are a platinum blond, drop dead gorgeous nordic beauty..... :)

idiit is very happy right now.
 
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Bamse92

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idiit said:
^ great post!

i've been growing outdoors for 30 years and starting from seed directly in the ground is a cold B I T C H.

the clear plastic cups can also deter bugs (especially my enemy; cutworms), mice, rabbits.
you can carry in quite a few stacked cups at a time in a locker/gym bag.



the logistics of carrying in plants to be transplanted is much less desirable that the seeds/seedling method.

"you can carry in thousands of seedlings. you can safely carry in only a few transplants at a time ( and they often get beaten up badly in the process)" General Idiit :)

the more trips you make to a grow site the more you endanger the grow site's security.

i'm from wild hemp country; america's bread basket, kansas. hemp comes up on its own early april and never preflowers. it has no indoor 24-16 hr. daytime cycle to outdoor daylight 13-15 hr. photo cycle shock to go thru. plant too early and get into preflower hell. bugs, mice, extra hot temps later in late may/june, early july.

with your method the earlier the better ( later flowering varieties) (after the last frosts/freezes and sunlight past 13 hrs). if first crop fails in 7-10 days you got opportunity for another go at it, and another, and another. gots to have lots of seeds.

i've tried to grow from seedlings with a 4" tail on 'em straight into the ground as have thousands of other growers. it does not usually pan out well.

transplanting large well established plants outdoors is my present method and it works. i get big yields per plant. i've always wanted to do some straight seedling transplants early in the year, but to no success.


i'm going to try this out as well bamse92.

i will transplant late flowering young seedlings with 4" tail in middle april ( n hemisphere) directly into very fertile soil using this method. i'll have my indoor transplants ready to go should this method not work out.

you've made a fantastic first post. :)

now, if you are a platinum blond, drop dead gorgeous nordic beauty..... :)

idiit is very happy right now.
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Cool, man. Remember to share your experience on here, afterwards. As will i. :)
 
Team Microbe

Team Microbe

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This is great for preventing early flowering as well (for indica-dom and autoflowering strains). I just learned that starting seeds indoors under 18/6 forces short-flowering strains into flower shortly after they're brought outside! Talk about a season changer :(


The only other options are mimicking your sunrise/sunset times indoors, and THIS method.


I personally like this method more, for the sake of easy transportation. That and it's less of a pain compared to messing with your timers every other day lol


Great post!
 
idiit

idiit

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the clear plastic cup tops need to be secured so that they don't get moved off; wind, mice, etc..

i love simple elegant solutions. i've tried plastic "pup tents" constructed od with the seedlings inside. the clear cup idea is simple genius. ashamed i didn't think of it. :)

i'm going to bury a plastic cup with a couple of seedlings transplanted into it and then covered with clear plastic cup. i'll use twist ties to attach the bottom of the clear top to the buried plastic cup by making holes for the plastic twist ties to go thru.

i can move the bottom cup w/seedlings to the exact prepared hole location when the seedling gets big enough and has a good enough rootball and transplant the root ball into the prepared hole (discarding the cups at this time). the cups stack into small area and can be buried to hide any guerrilla grow evidence later on.
 
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moondawg

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Start the seeds in cups outdoors once the weather warms and then transplant. Defensless seeds in the wild dont survive.

I have to shake my head - you guy pay 20-40$ per seed to throw them on the ground????

I just got my last order of seeds for this years grow.1400$ !!! And really, in my world each on of those seeds has a potential value of 4000$ in product...... and you throw them on the grounddd....... with a plastic cul??? Goood lord you guys muxt be rich.
 
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moondawg said:
and you throw them on the grounddd....... with a plastic cul??? Goood lord you guys muxt be rich.
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Not necessarily, all it takes is one pollinated plant from one harvest to have more seeds than you know what to do with.
 
idiit

idiit

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Start the seeds in cups outdoors once the weather warms and then transplant. Defensless seeds in the wild dont survive.
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^^ essentially what we are doing. we are pre-popping 'em first. i'm letting 'em go until 4" tail and then put into plastic pots outdoors. once established root ball i transplant.

we make our own p2's, f1's, f2's etc... seeds by the hundreds, thousands.
 
idiit

idiit

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if you contemplate the logistics of transplanting 1000's of seedlings for a large commercial od grow operation, the beauty of b92's post becomes self evident.

if his method works ( i see no reason why it won't) then it may turn out to be one of the most influential posts in outdoor large commercial grow operations.

critters will upturn some of the plastic mini-greenhouses. some of the area the mini-greenhouses ( clear plastic domes) will be found and sabotaged. some of the seedlings will fail ; torrential rains, poor germinating soil, excessive heat, drought, bugs finding a way inside, etc...

having multiple smaller areas where the mini-greenhouses are in place will help distribute the risk some. having back up indoor seedlings for transplanting ( what i intend to do) is not a bad idea imo.

pretty exciting simple and elegant solution if it works out.

Judging by the thread it looks like a great tech. If you have something like a thousand seeds. I, however only have about 100 to spare :(
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i keep pollen on qtips in plastic labeled (inside and out) bags stored in olive jars in the freezer. i can make thousands of seeds outdoors any year by pollinating the favored females of any strain i'm running. freezer pollen threads are here at ic. the frozen pollen properly done has a shelf life of 12-18 months if you don't have a major power outage and the pollen thaws.

i also intend to run a few male only gardens and bag pollen from selected males, label 'em and then take qtips and pollinate selected females. i use little jewelry price tags with a string on 'em and tie to the selected branch where i pollinated the buds. i write in indelible ink (sharpies) the female/male and put a couple tags on each branch pollinated.

this is how you can generate thousands of seeds labeled for future identification.

nice first post Bamse92
Newbie. :)
 
idiit

idiit

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if you contemplate the logistics of transplanting 1000's of seedlings for a large commercial od grow operation, the beauty of b92's post becomes self evident.
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^^ so we are testing b92's idea.

critters will upturn some of the plastic mini-greenhouses. some of the area the mini-greenhouses ( clear plastic domes) will be found and sabotaged. some of the seedlings will fail ; torrential rains, poor germinating soil, excessive heat, drought, bugs finding a way inside, etc...
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logs for preventing animals from digging out, preventing strong rains from washing out. planted on small slope for good drainage. holes in bottom of pots for drainage. diatomaceous earth inside containers on top of soil and around little green house area for bugs. pre-germinated seedlings (wet paper towel) planted in little holes filled with premium potting mix) surrounded by excellent field collected top soil inside pots). holes drilled in tops of clear domes for heat release,moisture release, bug prevention, and excess rain damage prevention. all clear domes staked thru holes drilled in the side bottoms to the ground by these little irrigation line stakes.

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hamstring

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Love the idea but am going to call BS on some of the implementation. I have been starting seeds outdoors for years ( plastic cups in a cold frame) and if you presoak the seeds you can get a good germination percentage over 80%.

Even with a screen around my cold frame critters get curious and will force their way in to see what's in there. Putting your hard earned seed money in plastic cups setting on logs is asking for trouble in my opinion. The germination idea is sound but you have to have a solid way of keeping them safe.

Just take those same plastic cups and put them in a tote/container and put some tightly secured hardware fabric or some other type of fencing over it.

Also keep in mind temps play a large role. Cold spring like we have this year and even presoaked seeds will not fair well in 65 deg F during the day and 38 deg F at night. Watch for the temps to settle in at 70-75 deg F before hauling 100 presoaked seeds out to the patch or you will be waiting for 2 weeks for them to pop up.

The longer the seeds are out there the more probable a curious critter is going to have a look see.
 
idiit

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young-un's on motor cycles came out of the woods on a path i did not notice when i did my 360 degree search around my new location. bad. i have completely closed off the area with cut down trees but they may notice. the area looks like weeds so it may pass. if the area looks hot i may move seedlings to another location nearby.

ok, they have survived so far. i put down more diatomaceous earth for insects. will be back in couple weeks.

the questions remain:

1). will they survive?

2). will they prematurely flower?
 
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