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United Growers Front

localhero

Member
Ok I just wanna throw this out there. why isnt there a growers association in cali? is there one?

my old line of work dealt alot with access rights. we had the constitutional right to stand at a store and collect signatures. that law was based on an old concept that people gathered at the market and thats where people would also gather to talk politics, ie on the soap box. translated to modern day scenarios and the market place is now just big businesses. the way they would skirt that law was to mark out a yellow box on the ground waaaay far away from the entrance of the store. out of the way of the flow of traffic. that way - hey you can still be here, just you wont be successful.

I see a trend with medical mj that is similar to that concept of - hey you can grow, just only a little and only with so much light, canopy etc. its a way to nickle and dime people out of their rights. even if you have members in your collective or what not and are a provider for them, its very likely that those allowances could be challenged and chipped away at. i know the definition of caregiver has already changed. no matter the outcome this november, there will be serious consequences for this community.

Many people have grown and will grow regardless of political climate and thats great. alot of people hate hate hate politics and i understand that too. im not trying to piss people off here. im a newb to the growing thing. maybe im not in the know enough and theres already something similar to this happening already.

Im also not pretending to lead the charge on this. leadership if there is any would probably have to come from someone more respected and known from the community. if the concept of leadership is even needed.

the purpose of this thread is to open up the debate as to why there isnt already such an association of growers, what it would take to make one, and what concerns you think are important?

a consortium devoted to the advancement and progression of our causes and rights.

what do you guys think? impossible to herd the pidgeons?
 

Jalisco Kid

Active member
This community beats up on it's self on what an og is, I can not see us getting together as a force. It would be like the blind leading the blind. JK
 

localhero

Member
ha true, theres alot of old bad blood that would have to be dropped. also i think for something like this to work, political affiliations and what not would have to be not any part of it.

i think if people focus on the cause that is universal- growers rights, and set aside any beef or conflicts that are outside of that small focus, something like this could be very powerful.
 

localhero

Member
it would be tough to fill ranks when your success in this field depends partially on how well you can remain anonymous. it must change your psyche to have to always be so secretive. i know its affected me.

how could an organization be built and still be able to guarantee someones privacy?
 
i love the idea. the association would serve to protect us from big business. we need to set our standards before they do.

free trade.
organic.
vegan.

etc. we need to establish these standards before some one else does it for us.
 
everything is in the hands of the growers
they only need to earn a reputable living
versus corporations turning a profit

but they will need to join forces
to be able to compete with corporations
 

localhero

Member
i like that idea of voting to decide our own standards. what would pass as organic, what would disqualify. I know theres buzz about the clean green cert not being so clean or green or independent.
 
free trade i think is the most important. mriko said it best in another thread. but basically marijuana is way for the third world to come into the first world, IF we protect them. Meaning we let jamaicans grow Lambsbread and not a mulitnational. same for the rif or hindu kush mountains. we as consumers and producers need to protect these people and ourselves.
 

localhero

Member
free trade, im not sure im following you on that Binary Fission.

its important to keep players like monsanto as far the hell away as we can. for sure i see the merit of mj in the LDCs. But this needs to start in cali. Cali is the leader in this game. the rest of the country follows our politics. prop 215 started it all. now the big dogs are sitting licking their chops to see how this legalization vote will go.

its the same story all over as far as who will be shit on. sanitation factories arent built in nice neighborhoods. im saying now is the time to organize while we still have the control and position and money.


it should have been done a long time ago.

i think its the nature of this "job" that has kept us from having any real power. my only interaction with other growers is here online. my real life is spent trying to make it not look like i do what i do. we arent likely to see each other at a coffee shop and shoot the shit.

plus its our competitve nature. not only are we fighting the system, were also fighting ourselves. im trying to outgrow everyone on this site lol.

I wanna know how we can make an organization and guarantee anonimity. is it enough with attorney client priveledge?
 
but isn't the point to not have to worry about anonymity? don;t we want to be able to do this legally?

Coming out of the basement like the gay community did with their closet would end prohibition tomorrow. I don't want o hide it anymore.

also the free trade aspect is how we protect our farmers and our prices. We demand and only buy free trade product. TO get the free trade label, certain ethical standards will have to be met like farmer's wages and how the material was processed. can't find the thread with mriko's explanation. his was a more worldy view, protecting the small farmers with the unique "landrace" genetics.
 

localhero

Member
sure the idea is to not have to be hidden. but the reality is that alot of growers will not want to disclose their info to the public or where it can be used against them. otherwise we would all be throwing our real names instead of localhero. its just a fact of life in this world that your identity remain under control.

i was thinking one way to preserve your identity in an association and yet still have power in that association would be to use a lawyer as a gate keeper. the only person who could verify your identity and inclusion into a United Growers Front or whatever. the association would have to get together on a forum or something and vote on who that person or law firm would be.

i was thinking today about how a forum vote would work. members would have only one post allowed to make an argument for their choice, you could edit your one post as much as you want, more than one post and everything you put up would be deleted from the forum. a few days later a vote would take place, again within a time frame and vote with one post. only posts, no polls as polls would be easily defeated with non members.

so simple. one person. one post to argue and one post to vote. moderated by someone with the power to delete any violations, anything not pertaining to the topic and delete small chatter. also since people might be worried about their argument being burried, the moderator could shuffle posts every 24 hours.
 
ehh. it seems like pushing us back in to the shadows in stead of drawing us out into a place where we don't have to hide. this is what i want. freedom!!! lol
 

localhero

Member
BF youre always free to be who you are and tell whomever you want.

im just thinking if this were something that required everyone to be known - im fairly sure there wouldnt be many members. hell down the road who knows. but yes i totally feel you i want freedom. i want to not have to hide, and i want the respect this community deserves in society.
 
you guys are trying to start a society for a secret society. this is like asking the mafia to unionize. this screams LEO honeypot.
 

localhero

Member
you guys are trying to start a society for a secret society. this is like asking the mafia to unionize. this screams LEO honeypot.


Ok lets start off by saying this is for california legal medical growers in strict compliance with their coresponding local and state laws. no mafia here.

100% compliance means 100% legal.

i understand years of being treated like a criminal have made many still feel like what they do, even legally, is illegal. those are the chains we are trying to break right?

mike - im in the greater los angeles area.


this mindset of having to maintain radio silence is what will eventually fuck all of us when the big dogs set up camp.

look im not saying everyone come out of the closet and send your name to whomever can fuck you with it. im proposing a legal association of legal cali growers. we can keep our identities in an association by using a lawyer as a gate keeper. that way everything talked about is covered by attorney client priveledge.

any other ideas?
 
Again, if they are complying with state law then why the need for secrecy?

i understand years of being treated like a criminal have made many still feel like what they do, even legally, is illegal. those are the chains we are trying to break right?

how do you break these chains by asking legal residents to join a society but hide their names?

again you seem to be describing a black market system that is already in place. If the names are hidden then it is still a black market system. A system outside the norm. we don't want that. WE want pot to be normalized. well i do.
Also, why would people join this Society, when the black market network already exists. Sites like these and the informal network that exists are your society. Who needs to pay a lawyer when i can log on anonymously here?

you are missing the point but this is your thread. I will leave you to it.
 

localhero

Member
i dont think im missing the point, and this a topic thread, i dont own it.

im basing my argument for anonyminity(sp?) on the fear many growers have of puting their names on a list. its just a pre-emtive rebuttal aimed at people who would never consider joinign an association because of that.

im not saying you HAVE to be anonymous in it. im just proposing the option of being publicly anonymous if you choose to.

for me personally iw ould put my name out there in an org like that. but im stupid. personally i think, hell yeah we want this to be legit and in your face and see the real us kinda thing.


for this to begin and gain momentum, my idea is that it needs to meld together a goal with a reality. the goal= power in our hands, the growers, the small guys. the reality: secrecy brought on by years of being treated like criminals.

im curious who agrees with starting it with an identity protection option, and who would rather have an association without that protection.

binary, there is no black market society of growers that meet, vote, endorse candidates, set standards, provide legal assistance to its members if need be and push legislation on their behalf.

my vision is something as powerful as the farming lobby but operator maintained.
 

mikek7849

New member
What's up BF. I'm not big computer guy but I always assumed that by posting on this website it is easy for "law enforcement" to get your information. Maybe I am wrong?
 

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