California AC Box **Spectacular**

This thread is dedicated to some of the AC box's I have made over the years. I just finished my 3rd of the summer and I want to give you guys some Ideas.

The first box is for people who want to install a normal cheap window banger in a newer window and be able to vent your lights in OR out threw the top, with no light leakage threw the box. I have used this box for both Intake and Exhaust for lights. If using it for an Intake for light add filter floss from your local fish store.

This is what it looks finished.

there is still some light leaking threw the AC unit its self. This is solved by black spray paint inside the AC. (just spray the foam threw the grill)

This is what it looks like from out side.

It looks stealth with just a small 1 inch gap in the top. This is plenty big for any 6 inch fan and the air wont WOSH out.

This is the Inside of the Box

This image also shows how we support the ac in the window. I used a 2x6 and made the top support longer and I closed the window so it wont slip out. I also added a dowel to the window track so it wont open.

This second box Is installed Inside. It is an actual ac in a box. This particular box is at the end of a sting of lights all the lights vent into this ac box. and then it vents into the house ducting.

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this shows the box. Its actually about 5 feet high. Its a good idea to try to mount them high, that's ware the heat is...


here shows the back of the ac and inside the box. as you can see this ac has a drain hose. This particular ac leaks... not all leak but its a good idea to find out if id dose before you mount it inside a box.

Another view of the inside.



And this is what the vent looks like inside the other grow room on the other side of the wall.

Nice and clean for a simple Co2 room.

And this is the venting for the box and the lights all in one.


Here is another box that works the same way as the last. It is after a run of 3 lights 1 400 MH in veg and 2 600 hps in flower. This one is installed over a door threw a wall with a res bolted on the wall as the box. ( i know I am creative) I had to use 2 4" ducts because of the studs in the wall.


And here is the back


This next ac box was designed as a work bench. both the Air in and out were vented threw the attic.

This dosent fit but here is a portable ac blowing up a 4x8 tent.


Grow weed.

Be careful the solvent in spray paint will melt styrofoam .

Awesome!!!!

Imagine how much more efficient these units would be if they were set up to actually work?


This is the classic mistake of home box AC. The exhaust air needs to have fresh air feeding the fan for the coils. In this picture, there is no fresh air, and the unit will just keep becoming more and more inefficient until failure. You have hot air trying to cool hot air.

And if your AC unit has a light leak, it has nothing to do with the styrofoam being white. It has to do with there being a vent apparatus that needs to be shut off and sealed up tight. Not only will light leak there, but smell as well...and you can't spray paint the smell...

I am not trying to rain on your "spectacular" thread, but I hate to see anyone build one of these the way you have. They may work, but not well.
Actually, they are a set-up for disappointment, unless of course your expectations are low to begin with. (shrug)

The light leaks because the light go's threw the foam and when you spray paint it. it stops the light... It has nothing to do with it being white... light simply can pass's threw a small layer of Styrofoam.. I don't think you have experienced this. Its ony on new ac's. it is not just simply passing threw the vent.

and that ac box you have pictured stays at 85*... plenty cool for an AC...It sounds like you have very little real world experience with AC box's. As i have said before I have been making these for years for many different growers. (i have built over 20 ac boxs)


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I did have a good chuckle when you over complicated ac box's on your thread. when an ac is hanging out a window ( how it was designed ) do you think it has better air flow then when it is inside a 4 cubic foot box with 600 CFM..... I think not my friend.

krylon FLAT black spray paint wont eat the Styrofoam inside the ac. Others might but I only buy Krylon

Dewd, I wasn't even going to post in this thread, but I felt in not fair to those who might think this was a good idea.
It's not.

I had an old man tell me once that he had been doing this one bonehead move for 30 years, and he should know what he was doing....
Well, I agreed that as far as bonehead moves go, he was on top of his game.

Your boxes will not work properly. You may think I have over-complicated AC boxes, but the thing is...I know what makes them work, and you apparently don't.
You can chuckle all you want...but the joke is on you.

And I could care less....I just hate to see a worthy new grower take your bad advise and screw his grow up.

hoosierdaddy said:

I had an old man tell me once that he had been doing this one bonehead move for 30 years, and he should know what he was doing....
Well, I agreed that as far as bonehead moves go, he was on top of his game.

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And this is why you LST and the 30+ Year grower and I, grow commercial.

You might not agree with some one with 30 years + experience growing but you might want to take there advice with more then just a grain of salt.

I have built more box's around ac's then you have fingers and toes.. It appears to me that you have built one and you feel like your king of the world.. that's awesome for you.

But your asshattery and hating wont help novice growers Like some one with 30+ years experience or some one that gets CONTRACTED OUT TO BUILD AC BOX'S 3 - 4 times a week.

when an ac is hanging out a window ( how it was designed ) do you think it has better air flow then when it is inside a 4 cubic foot box with 600 CFM.....

globel said:

...do you think....

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Yes, I think alot. I think for a living. I also think that those who contracted to build an AC box by you got phucked royal.
If you are selling this talent, then you need to be reported all over this site. You need to be watched out for. You are selling a service with no integrity.

What I am providing here is not hatred at all. That is a term for you young and dumbs when you have nothing else to fall back on.
No, I'm not hating, I am warning others NOT to take your AC building advise, since it is BAD advise.

And you even have the nerve to call your work spectacular. (shaking head)

What you need to do, instead of trying to justify your stuff here...is go an pay back the people you have screwed over the weeks, or months, that you have been building AC boxes...well, what you consider to be an AC box anyway. What you are providing these people with is a way to kill their AC unit faster. Nothing more.

take things out of context much? that's enough asshattery out of the cab grower. You have built a total of 1 ac box's . You should maybe just learn from those who have more experience then you.

*Side Note* Some one needs to take away hoosier's typing stick.

Just a thought guys. With any ac hanging out of the window of the grow room the condensation & smell of the grow room dripps out onto the ground and a drug dog could potencially smell the marijuanna in the condensation that drops on the ground from the grow room air conditioner. There are newer methods of airconditioning a grow room so as not to have this as a potential issue. Hate to hear someone get busted for not thinking things all the way through
nycKID

Most newer ac units don't leak. And I think you would already be in hot water if you had a drug dog in your backyard. And hopefully this is a non venting ac and the air in the grow room and the air out side used to cool the unit are separate.

globel said:

take things out of context much? that's enough asshattery out of the cab grower. You have built a total of 1 ac box's . You should maybe just learn from those who have more experience then you.

*Side Note* Some one needs to take away hoosier's typing stick.

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Quite the nerve of you to suggest I be limited from posting.
But in the same vein...I suggest that nobody at this good site take your advise on...anything at all, really. A person with the attitude that you have, is bound to get someone busted. Let alone that the advise you are giving is bad. Substandard work. A set-up for failure. Low integrity showing.

(shrug) I tried to be civil...and somehow I knew it would come to this, as young people often times get their little panties in a wad when someone challenges them. Seems some youth of today simply has no backbone, and anyone who disagrees with their spoiled little selves in the least, is labeled a "hater".
If only these folks had enough integrity to simply discuss matters, and get to the bottom of things, instead of going off half cocked and arguing and calling names, our community would be far better off.

BTW, you would be laughed at in real pro circles..so don't think for one minute you rate up there. You are busch league and nothing more. Hows that for hating???

hmmmm... well hate to break up the feud but i have a question maybe one of you could answer-
Im working on a place where the back of the bloom room(sealed) window ac was vented into the veg room(passive) therefore making the veg room 90+ degrees!! critical design flaw...

Now my job is to either built a closet, more or less around the ac, or re mount it in an area it can breathe... The reason why i would put it in an enclosure would be so the hot air coming out can be scrubbed, although this might not be necessary b/c it has the option to vent or close the ac..

Sorry for the long rant,
I think the final question is: The hot air coming out of the back of the ac shouldn't smell as long as the ac is set to close..? Correct?

And btw its a brand new LG 24,500 btu ac

I would build a box or room behind the ac and vent the box as well as possible.

hoosierdaddy said:

Quite the nerve of you to suggest I be limited from posting.
But in the same vein...I suggest that nobody at this good site take your advise on...anything at all, really. A person with the attitude that you have, is bound to get someone busted. Let alone that the advise you are giving is bad. Substandard work. A set-up for failure. Low integrity showing.

(shrug) I tried to be civil...and somehow I knew it would come to this, as young people often times get their little panties in a wad when someone challenges them. Seems some youth of today simply has no backbone, and anyone who disagrees with their spoiled little selves in the least, is labeled a "hater".
If only these folks had enough integrity to simply discuss matters, and get to the bottom of things, instead of going off half cocked and arguing and calling names, our community would be far better off.

BTW, you would be laughed at in real pro circles..so don't think for one minute you rate up there. You are busch league and nothing more. Hows that for hating???

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First off I never called you any names. And I have never called you any names in this entire thread. I have been nothing but civil with you. I labeled you as a cab grower. If you don't like it step up your game.

You are sure quick to judge my age. Did you use the same logic to design your ac box's?

And as far as your "pro" circles go. Give it a brake, I live in California every one is pro here compared to you. You can ask a good friend of mine Ed Rosenthal about what circles i run with. And Yes he know my screen name.

It seems to me your the one that's really upset coming on my thread with "your panties in a wad"

Now please just give it a rest. Stick to your cabs and be happy with your results.

oh and maybe try answering the one question I had for you that you have been avoiding....... when an ac is hanging out a window ( how it was designed ) DO YOU THINK it has better air flow then when it is inside a 4 cubic foot box with 600 CFM.....

I only continue this for the sake of others.

The unit hanging in the window will have all the air flow it needs to work efficiently and as designed. The unit in the box is a question mark because we don't know what the openings are. It matters not what CFM you are pushing/pulling through the box if there isn't the proper cubic feet of air allowed into and out of the box.
You could have a hole 1/4" in diameter and pulling 600 CFM through it, but it would not be near enough cubic feet of air flow to satisfy the unit's needs.
But of course if you have the boxes like yours, it doesn't matter because you have not separated the air flows that demand to be separated. Your unit will never work as designed and will be very inefficient.

Study up.
And stop making yourself look more stupid each time you try to discredit me.

Hey really, hoosier is being pretty kind, you should check out his thread, it's pretty damn good, and you may be able to make what you are doing even better. Hell maybe you will read it and it won't help at all, (although I don't see how it could not). I am sure what you are doing now is better than the alternative of nothing at, but maybe it could be even better than you imagined, or more efficient.

Me I am glad I came across your thread, it has been very informative, but I am more glad that I checked the links in hd siggie, and then read those. I feel like between the 2 I got a grasp on the issue for me and have confidence to tackle it head on and not have to replace my ac unit prematurely as well as not have it suck me dry on the elec. bill.

Seriously if you haven't you should go by his thread, it seems to make good sense to me and I bet you could make yours even better, that's what it is really all about.

globel said:

First off I never called you any names. And I have never called you any names in this entire thread. I have been nothing but civil with you. I labeled you as a cab grower. If you don't like it step up your game.

You are sure quick to judge my age. Did you use the same logic to design your ac box's?

And as far as your "pro" circles go. Give it a brake, I live in California every one is pro here compared to you. You can ask a good friend of mine Ed Rosenthal about what circles i run with. And Yes he know my screen name.

It seems to me your the one that's really upset coming on my thread with "your panties in a wad"

Now please just give it a rest. Stick to your cabs and be happy with your results.

oh and maybe try answering the one question I had for you that you have been avoiding....... when an ac is hanging out a window ( how it was designed ) DO YOU THINK it has better air flow then when it is inside a 4 cubic foot box with 600 CFM.....

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I once partied with Janis Joplin and dropped acid with Timothy Leary. True or false? The fact of the matter is no one here really knows, nor, for that matter, really cares because I'm just an anonymous person who may or may not be telling the truth. Such is the nature of the internet. If you want to have some credibility, try arguing about the box construction instead of bragging about how great you are.

It's great that you took the time and put in the effort to try to help others. But, insulting another member isn't going to win you any points and it really only makes you look foolish and diminishes your credibility. Hoosierdaddy is a big boy. If he's wrong, tell him how you think he's wrong. An intelligent discussion about how to do something can be a learning experience for everyone who reads this thread.

BTW - a 4 cubic foot box is only nominally bigger than a small a/c unit - a couple inches all the way around. You might want to re-do your math.

Peace

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