Boron: The secret to getting more flowers

SouthernSmoker said:

Ok from what i can gather by reading this and many other threads on this site is that bold statements are being made in the wording of sproutco"s threads and in statement made in those threads were he has grown thousands of plants and added this and that to them with out any problems.
case in point Boron:The secret to getting more flowers and Plants go bonkers with extra boron . These kinda statements are sending the wrong message to people like me and alot of other new and hobbiest growers in this comunity.

Sproutco no one is trying to call you stupid you have knowledge that would be great for this comunity and a passion for finding this knowledge wich i admire !
I would love to learn as much as possible about all the macro and micro nutrience and how they can help my plants in every way !! Teach us

Tell us how boron can help build bigger flowers
show us if not with a mj plant then something like a tomato plant or a rose

But comming into a mj growers site and making statements that this will do this and this will do that and not having anything to back it up with ???
and tell people that you have grown thousands of plants and nothing to back that up with either ?? makes alot of people to believe that your FULL OF SHIT !!! Growers rule #1 trust no one!!!!!!

ok that said i think Kokua test although not perfect should give us idea of what boron will do to the plants weather burn them or have bigger flowers
I thank him for his efforts and willingness to show us about it

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great post....You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kokua again...I too thanked you for giving it an honest go...I may not be sproutcos biggest fan but I do applaud anyone who tries to help...it's up to everyone to make there own mind up...I choose to follow what i've been doing...it seems to work for me...
I'll keep an eye on the results..thanks again....

I would like to start off by saying that I am not here just to make noise. I am here because I love growing, and I love cannabis, everything else stems from that. I might get carried away at times, but hey, at least you can’t say I am not passionate about my work! That is probably the biggest thing that sproutco and I have in common, a passion for gardening. We should dwell on that fact, rather than our dwelling on our differences.

I appreciate your post GD…initially I got my feelings hurt, but I wasn’t looking at your post with an open mind…which is my fault. I apologize for the “F*** this comment”. I dish out a lot to sproutco, I need to be able to take it as well.

You are absolutely correct GD, this initial experiment is inherently flawed…I was thinking along other lines, but I see why I should have given the control nothing as opposed to p and k. My line of thinking was to compare it to other established flower boosters. I referred to the budswell as the control because that is what my garden usually gets. I clearly see the mistake now…

This experiment tells us very little, it tells us that phosphorus and potassium are more crucial to flower development than boron…but we already knew that . So are we all in agreement that further testing is needed in order for us to have a clear idea if boron really works? If anyone is interested in seeing it done, I have three perfect candidates for the job. The control group can be fed the exact same nutrients as the experiment groups, except the point being tested. One plant can get borax, one can get the biomin boron (at a lower dose this time ), and the control can get nothing. Everything else will remain the same. How does that sound?

The next set of pics will be the last pics I will show of these plants…it is obvious that p and k are more crucial. If anyone would like to see a better designed, better executed test let me know I would be happy to do it.

It takes 2 to 3 weeks for a soil applied boron application to show results in plants. Just curious... what is the ph of the test plants?

kokua said:

oye...fuck this nonsense.

whats really annoying is ALL the people that are brave enough to send me a pm or positive rep for keeping up with sproutco's crap...but are too scared to say anything in my defense publicly...that is some bs.

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The crap never ends... so people with opinions would otherwise look like trolls...

I think it's laughable.... I wonder when it will be releasing it in a bottle? GH Boraxblast and GH BatteyAcid.

i will check for you sproutco...the input is always between 5.8-6.5. I use OF soil that is pH adjusted.

any organic sources for boron? How would you know if you have a defeciency?

Dan42nepa said:

any organic sources for boron? How would you know if you have a defeciency?

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Borax is considered organic. You might not know you have a deficiency by looking at the plant. The plant may just have less vigor. Sometimes this is called hidden hunger. Severe boron def. results in burning of top leaves and eventual loss of the growing tips. A broom like effect may start with many shoots at the top of the plant. This is called a witches broom.

hmmm interesting.. thanks... great info once again. You should write a book...

stretchpuppy said:

I think it's laughable.... I wonder when it will be releasing it in a bottle? GH Boraxblast ...

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The nirvana seed shop sells Calcium, Magnesium, and Boron Deficiency Corrector 500cc. They suggest applying it in their feed schedule at the end of the veg period.





http://www.nirvana-shop.com/calcium-magnesium-boron-deficiency-corrector-500cc-p-131.html

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Hurricane- is that an anole in that pic? Pest control anole? Haha, that's a good idea.

sproutco said:

The nirvana seed shop sells Calcium, Magnesium, and Boron Deficiency Corrector 500cc. They suggest applying it in their feed schedule at the end of the veg period.

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That's wonderful. I hope your azaleas perk up.

"Drats, that damn Boron Deficiency is back."

I'm actually putting together an aero cab bit by bit as I figure out what the hell I'm doing with it. I plan on using it as an experimental grow area to fiddle with nutes and such.

BTW Kokua, no harm done. I'm sorry if I came off a bit harsh, I have a bad habit of doing that. Time to blaze again.

kokua said:

...probably the biggest thing that sproutco and I have in common, a passion for gardening. We should dwell on that fact, rather than our dwelling on our differences.

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I have to admit I don't wear my knowledge on my sleeve as much as you two, partially because I don't like the extra work of dealing with contrarians who (IMHO) appear to critique for critique's sake. Much to the both of you for your efforts. We all have bad days and bad moods, but IMO it takes juevos to wear your knowledge in public for those who might or might not appreciate it.

I may not always agree with info shared, however without sharing info we all lose out and have no choice in the matter.

Thx again - to both of you

Ganico said:

Hurricane- is that an anole in that pic? Pest control anole? Haha, that's a good idea.

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Oh by no means is it an anole...cant say what kind it is as he just found the warmest spot in the house....Mommas room..But I have seen to many anoles to know this isnt one...they are so over running south florida and messing up the food chain for some species...........got to love the country setting...so many critters to show up and see...stay safe

Funny, Im glad Im not the only one that wants to see the(any) pictoral evidence of all of sproutcos indepth knowledge. Boron suppliments, sulfur applications, battery acid for ph down and claims of thousands of plants treated but yet there doesnt seem to be much evidence any of it does wonders for growing weed. Not one experiment, not one crop, not one plant thats his in his gallery? [ A pose by any other name is still a pose. ]

Also nine pages on boron and no one has bothered to mention that average city tap water contains more of it than any weed plant can use? Unless you are using distilled water then you are getting plenty of boron from the city tap. Same goes for bottled water, most of it tested plenty high in boron.

Then again I have never seen even the most adept grower out there successfully diagnose a boron deficiency. When weed plants use so little of it and the plant can get it from so many sources whos got those kind of balls?

southpaw said:

microherd

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HAH! I love it!

Hey Kokua - I know you dont exactly have a control plant, but in a non-scientific way, cant you say that EVERY plant you've ever grown without borax has been a control plant? You know what your average yields are. You will know if they are significantly increased. You will know if the plant shows any signs of superbudding.

yes and no...every run is different. I have got some more plants going in in the next few weeks that I can do right this time. I'll keep you updated sw

Usenik, V. and Stampar, F. 2002. EFFECT OF FOLIAR APPLICATION OF ZINC PLUS BORON ON SWEET CHERRY FRUIT SET AND YIELD. Acta Hort. (ISHS) 594:245-249
http://www.actahort.org/books/594/594_28.htm

Abstract.
The influence of combined Zn and B foliar fertilization on fruit set and yield was studied for two years on sweet cherry (Prunus avium) cvs. ‘New Star’, ‘Giorgia’ and ‘Bing’ grafted on Mazzard rootstock. The influence of Zn and B foliar sprays on yield was determined by counting the number of flowers and the number and mass of fruits on one branch of each experimental tree. Zinc application was made at the end of dormancy (before the vegetative growth in the spring), while B was applied twice: at the beginning of flowering and at full bloom. The treatments were replicated fivefold and treatment differences were assessed by t-test. There was a general trend for fruit set and yield to be higher in the Zn plus B treatment trees compared to the control trees; however, none of the differences in measured responses were statistically significant.

Perya, F.J. 2002. PROPERTIES AND PERFORMANCE OF BORON SPRAY PRODUCTS FOR APPLE. Acta Hort. (ISHS) 594:211-215
http://www.actahort.org/books/594/594_23.htm

Abstract
Boron deficiency is a widespread and chronic problem in tree fruit-producing regions of the world. Washington State University guidelines encourage growers to apply annual maintenance sprays of B to offset the natural tendency for tree B status to decline over a period of years. Early bloom spray timing often is used to ensure that sufficient amounts of B are available for pollen tube growth, flower fertilization, fruit set, and early fruitlet development. A five-year field study was initiated in 1996 to compare the effectiveness of new foliar B fertilizers relative to the standard product Solubor. The test trees were Fuji/EMLA.26 apple grown on sandy loam soil in an irrigated orchard located in semi-arid central Washington State, USA. The sprays were applied by hand-gun at the pink flowering stage. Treatments were water control, Mor-Bor 17, Solubor, Solubor DF, Spraybor, Borosol, Liquibor, N-Boron, Solubor plus Coron, and Solubor applied only to the ground. Application rates were modified during the course of the experiment: 0.56 kg B ha-1 in 1996-98; 1.12 kg B ha-1 in 1999; and no sprays in 2000. All of the B sprays increased flower cluster B in all years. The B sprays usually but not always increased leaf B. Increasing the B rate substantially increased plant tissue B. In general, there was little substantive difference between the eight products/product mixtures, suggesting that B availability from the sprays was the same regardless of the form of B occurring in the marketed product (borate vs. polyborate). Flower cluster B in the ground-applied Solubor treatment was similar to the water control; however, leaf B corresponded to the other B products, indicating effective uptake of B from the soil during the early summer. The presence of urea or polymeric urea compounds did not improve plant tissue B status. Flower cluster Na but not leaf Na was positively related to the amount of Na in the B products. Fruit quality was not affected by the B spray treatments in any year. Flower cluster and leaf B concentrations returned to near or at control levels in the season following the last spray application, suggesting limited accumulation and/or remobilization of intra-tree B reserves. This last observation validates the recommendation for annual B fertilizer applications to maintain adequate tree B status under Washington conditions.

Perya, F.J. 2002. PROPERTIES AND PERFORMANCE OF BORON SPRAY PRODUCTS FOR APPLE. Acta Hort. (ISHS) 594:211-215
http://www.actahort.org/books/594/594_23.htm

Abstract
Five lowbush blueberry (Vaccinium angustifolium Ait.) clones with leaf tissue boron levels below 20 ppm were selected in a commercial lowbush blueberry field in Washington County, Maine. Four 2.4 M2 treatment plots established on each clone received a foliar spray of Solubor at 0, 200, 400 or 600 ppm boron in September. The terminal 3.8 cm of stem, sampled in November, had increased concentrations of boron with increasing rates of boron application. Boron sprays also increased boron leaf tissue concentrations in July of the crop year. Ten stems with four flower buds were tagged in each treatment plot to determine the effect of boron treatments on fruit set and berry size. Fruit set was the same for each bud, but the number of blossoms and fruit was greater on buds below the terminal. The average number of blossoms and fruit per bud increased with boron rate, but fruit set was not affected. Highest blueberry yield resulted from application of 400 ppm boron.

up until this evening I was planning on doing another boron test...but I don't think I will. I pulled my girls out tonight to inspect and pamper, and I found some nuts...and only on the boron/borax plants. It is not a heavy load by any means, but I am seeing nuts at every node on the treated plants...and nothing on the non boron plants.



The borax treated plant is even sending out this weird budlet...


I'm not saying that the boron made these girls nut...I'm saying I haven't seen anything that would make me want to try this again...