Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

SenoirDump · Jul 29, 2010

This is the yield from my very attempt at growing. 2 NL#5, in soil, 54 day veg, 600 watts. I was a pruning fool and if it shaded a bud site, it got clipped. No one told me to do this and I just thought it made sense. Notice the canopy in the bottom photo, and almost like a scrog? I pulled 4oz. per plant, which they say is good for a first attempt.

It didn't seem to hurt anything and had the same results with my 2nd grow.

Greyskull · Jul 29, 2010

El Toker said:
I can think of a lot of things that I could use a controlled trial to test out, should I decide to do that on the basis of what I've seen so far K33fters technique comes a long way down that list, right at the bottom, .

its not even on the list to do in these parts...

ive seen/experienced the differences myself. i know the difference defoliation makes. i started with pruning but graduated to defoliating.

i can understand if you need pictures of a 'controlled' side by side (but i thought k33f already posted some of his?) before you decide to take the plunge. it makes me think of canna boost and the nay sayers asking for 'proof'...

i remember folks talking shit about canna boost, claiming its nothing but snake oil, and a means for canna to squeeze more $$$ out of the market. I've used boost since it first was released - its not snake oil, it works it adds value to each harvest. FACT (as long as you knwo what you are doing and your room is dialed and you know your plant/s growth patterns/characteristics). but no one believed me. they thought i and whoever else was using it was/were full of shit and encouraging others to waste $$$. becasue there wasnt a 'controlled' side by side for all to see. 'mollassess does the same thing' was a pretty common cry from the nay sayers. i think mistress was one of the 'against' now that i think about it. DOES THIS SCENARIO SOUND FAMILIAR YET???? hahaha. anyways, hazylady took one for the 'team' and did a very 'controlled' side by side. guess who was laughing at the end saying 'i told you so!!!'...... :blowbubbles:

i may not have pictures for you, but i have real world experience to share. UNDERSTAND I GROW FOR $$$. and i get more $$$ when i defoliate than when i dont. i dont know what the science is behind it - i dont really care, honestly. i just know that i am able to pad my pockets a little more by defoliating. and thats what matters to me.

i cant wait for someone to do a side by side defoliation thread becasue i can't wait to laugh and say 'i told you so' to all the doubters.... again!

Panama Red · Jul 29, 2010

Tagged for future reference.

mrdizzle · Jul 29, 2010

El Toker said:
In many ways this thread is the exact opposite of that. We have had theory, praise of theory, and dismissal of anyone questioning the theory. A perfect formula for producing shit science and useless conclusions.

Soo many people want this side by side bullshit; guarantee if someone posts a side by side, you'll still want more proof. DO IT YOURSELF, be a real grower and try things, learn things yourself, your never going to believe it until you see it with your own 2 eyes.

The thread seems, at least to me, to be more about the fact that all his buds have size, and density to them, all without the help of the "magical solar panels" that old school larf peddlers have in their gardens. I don’t pluck as many as k33 but I pluck contractor bags worth every grow, because I've played around and found what works for me. Call it "shit science" or "useless conclusions", what you call it has nothing to do with my harvest weights

Bob-Hope · Jul 30, 2010

the first picture is of a k-train clone, that has been vegged for 6-weeks , its 14" tall and had its first set of leaves removed on is 4th day of vege, its then followed a steady path of leaf removal, around every 8 to 10 days.

the second picture is of the same plant and was plucked yesterday, the leaf towards the bottom,is there to speed the lower groth up to the top of the plant.

if you look closely you can see all the new branches / shoots starting to form,these grow at an amazing rate, and still ONLY 14" tall.

now the 3rd picture is of a k-train clone that had all its leaves removed on day 3 of vege,and when i say all, i mean all, the only 1 left was the very top one and thats because it hadn't even opened.it was then veged for a further 7days,when it was plucked completely bare again.2 days later it was put into flower.

again this plant remains at 14" and is on day 35 of 12/12... i must admit im quite fond of this little plant, she,s so smelly, and just a pleasure to grow. hungry little bugger. ec value of 2.1 and i think would take more if i let it...... on a side note one thing i have noticed, that when the plant gets used to having its leaves removed they seem to be able to consume far more food.
picture 4 is provided by gogglearth.

now i think for 14"tall and no more than 12 days vege , i think there quite impressive,

Bob-Hope · Jul 30, 2010

plant 1 (pics 1 and 2 ) will have a further 23 days of vege to go, i have 4 of these clones and all are the same 14" tall and full of growth.

now if you compare pictures 2 and 3 you will notice that picture 2 is full of shoots and new growth.

this new growth is achieved by extending the time line of vege, the leaf removal,keeps the plant stunted vertically, whilst encouraging all shoots below to grow out and catch up.

all i do is remove the top leafs........ let the bottom catch up........ strip the lot....... and repeat. for 10 weeks. i say 10 weeks as thats what ive got left in flower. atm

i have now come to realise just how the leaf removal,plant height,and food consumption seem to go hand in hand.

now then if you look at picture 3 you will see what i meant in my earlier post, you can see how there was very little time for the plant to form new growth and shoots in the 12 days it was given to vege, bare in mind it had its leafs removed twice in that period.

now if you only start this process during flower i think you will only improve on the bud growth that already existed, and will not get the "magic trippy trichome bud forming fairy" to come visit.

B H

buddin_904 · Jul 30, 2010

jesus christ...this thread USED to be an interesting read....now its completely clutterd with douche bags whining about...i need side by side comparisons blah blah blah!!!!

shit is getting realllllly annoying....there has been NUMEROUS posts of pics on here of peoples stripped, then heavily budded plants...the pics practically speak for themselves....if your a "nonbeliever", seriously just shut the fuck up and go post on another thread because your cluttering up my good reads.....

honestly i really enjoyED the positive feed back people were leaving and thoughts and comments on their outcomes of THEIR defoliation.....NOW, i dont even want to come back on this thread

take your fucking doubts elsewhere....this thread is about a.....fact??

Natagonnaworrie · Jul 30, 2010

at this point it hardly even worth saying that...

I just filter on the OP posts and read from there.

I will conduct my own trial to see what works for me and my strains.

"You can lead a horse to water..."

btw, K33 -

having read this thread filtered on your posts (i read the whole thing in parts previously) i realize how articulate your writing is. Maybe a career option? ...side-job of course. You appear to be the foremost authority on this topic and i'm sure plenty of people would be happy to contribute pictures of the theory in their environment.

thanks!! I am going to start my project right now...

*mistress* · Jul 30, 2010

Natagonnaworrie · Jul 30, 2010

I was serious about going to try it out now.

Madness 2 clones, same mom. Even showed roots on the same day.

Madness 'Defol'

Madness 'Reg'

BananaGum

BananaGum 'Defol'

BananaGum 'Reg'

I guess you can call today day 1. In about 90 days i will know for sure. Will you?

One last thing... the condensation on the leaves from where they rested on each other definitely can be the beginning of some problems. I am happy to avoid it if possible.

If i'm doing the defol wrong someone let me know.

one Q · Jul 30, 2010

ty Nata for bring it back to center

twrex · Jul 30, 2010

Wow, this is the first time I've seen pictures of the young'uns stripped so severely. It will be very interesting to see how they bounce back.

ibjamming · Jul 30, 2010

twrex said:
Wow, this is the first time I've seen pictures of the young'uns stripped so severely. It will be very interesting to see how they bounce back.

Same here...seems unnatural!

This is what I want to see...a real live grow. I'm skeptical...but open minded.

Good luck with your grow.

Relentless · Jul 30, 2010

Scrogerman · Jul 30, 2010

Yeah Good Luck man, This is gonna be interesting.
Do you plan on removing the Top sets of leaves at all?, i see you have removed some of the upper leaves, which im very scared of doing personally. Well theres only one way to find out!
Good on ya!

InducedSerenity · Jul 30, 2010

Just a quick note - I was thinking of trying this technique on just one or two of my plants but had a PM problem during veg so I plucked all the leaves that had issues before my Eagle 20 came in.

My (inexperienced) observations - Defoliation does indeed promote additional lower growth and keep the plants more compact, while lengthening veg. I think I removed too many leaves too often for my 4x4 scrog setup, as I'm left with a lot of lower growth that takes quite a while to reach the screen. I wish I'd left the leaves on one plant alone to be able to actually analyze rather than guess.

For those that have experience with defoliation and scrogs - what do you do? I think for my next batch of clones I will allow them to gain a lot more height under the screen before defoliating. Keep in mind I'm using only 3-4 plants to cover an area at least 4x4 under 1kw light.

Any input appreciated =)

Natagonnaworrie · Jul 31, 2010

Yeah, i like this thread. Let's get some more tests going.

I think in 7 - 10 days i will be able to see if they are going to more branchy.. But the real will be for final yield. I may strip some leaves in my current grow but its flowering already at 20 days so its wouldn't really contribute much the the thread. It's a 22 strain grow.. pretty cool and it is about to get good too if anyone wants to check it out. I will be update the pics over there on Sunday.

Hey - if anyone knows what i should do on those top leaves i'm open to hear it. I'll admit i was scared to but its in the name of science :joint:

Now its just time to :watchplant:

And hopefully there is no more :fight:

I really want to see what's up with my own eyes and hopefully if anyone watching can benefit thats great.

BTW i am unbiased. Whatever yields the most at the end will be the winner. Cut and dry. All factors will be the same.

K33, what should i do with the top leaves? i think u would have stripped em. I will do it if you say so. If they die it ain't your fault - these clones sole purpose is to confirm you methods.

later yall. Love the tread.

(thanks for all you that threw me some rep :wave:

)

Knipple · Jul 31, 2010

InducedSerenity said:
For those that have experience with defoliation and scrogs - what do you do? I think for my next batch of clones I will allow them to gain a lot more height under the screen before defoliating. Keep in mind I'm using only 3-4 plants to cover an area at least 4x4 under 1kw light.

Any input appreciated =)

I'm thinking the same thing (skinny neked girls) but then I remember how much this
strain (GHS-Hawiian Snow) stretches in the 3 ,4 & 5 th week of bloom.. 2 plants 3x3'.

If I'm wrong 3-4 weeks will be shot to hell! but I think it will work out just fine. The screen, which isnt 20% filled at the end of the 2nd week of bloom, will be a tangle by the cut.

DevilWeed · Jul 31, 2010

Take a look at mine. 4'x4' Scrog, 6 plants, defoliated starting when they were 8". I think my screen is about 12" from top of soil. I took freshly planted clones and topped them. At 8" I FIMd them somewhat successfully and pulled the shoots down to just about horizontal. LST'd them into the screens and they are doing very well. Next time I'd be more aggresive with deleafing and LST'ing. It's definitely a learning process and each strain reacts a little different.

the_extremist · Jul 31, 2010

I'm trying this side by side with Jack the Ripper. I will report results.

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