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Destroyer ~ 17 week phenotype smell is Menthol /Sage / Herbal
Clear, energetic, cerebral ~ connoisseur high. 9 month of curing. For months during the curing the smell was of straw, now the smell is more complex and developed. Current favorite smoke. That concludes the straight commentary. Now for the smoke report.
I'm floating at bit, as the energy is uplifting, spiraling, and light. Energy is flowing from the upper part of my brain, light energy flowing all around at the level of my eyes. My heart rate and energy increased from the upper chest. The effect is more energetic than euphoric. Euphoria is felt as floating and uplifting - a characteristic of Highland Thai. By contrast - euphoria from Highland Mexicans are more grounded and connected to the earth with good feeling. Thai phenotype is very clear - clearer than Highland Mexican phenotypes
The spiraling energy flow around eye level of the head is psychedelic, The upper part of your brain is active, so the effect is uplifting. The high is clear, in the head. The body effect is contracting and a bit tight. Other than that - first class connoisseur high.
Based on my recollection of the Thai high from the 1970's, I'm guessing this one is a Meao Thai phenotype.
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican is a good blend.
Satva,
Excellent smoke report. You paint a picture of what I am looking for. I've had my eye on this strain, and you are reinforcing my belief that I should be growing it. I feel a bit of the "energy" in the SAGE x Purple Haze Meao Thai cross I grew. I'm a firm believer in the goodness of the Thai x Mexican marriage of effects.
Thanks for posting,
ThaiBliss
Excellent smoke report. You paint a picture of what I am looking for. I've had my eye on this strain, and you are reinforcing my belief that I should be growing it. I feel a bit of the "energy" in the SAGE x Purple Haze Meao Thai cross I grew. I'm a firm believer in the goodness of the Thai x Mexican marriage of effects.
Thanks for posting,
ThaiBliss
Very beautiful plants ThaiBliss, you can see they are loving so much all that sun. You got right there some of my favourite fast sativas from Cannabiogen! This past weeks I've been toking on some Nepalese Jam and the effect was so euphoric and active, I almost started a Soul Train line with my gf because of it here at home lol.
Don't wait much or you may loose a bit of energy and sparkle on those fast ones. I'm wondering how that slow congolese pheno of the BH will smoke!
Great Destroyer report there too Satva, who said there aren't nice and reasonably fast sativas? Some cuts of Destroyer are chopped here at 11-12 weeks.
Vibes!
Don't wait much or you may loose a bit of energy and sparkle on those fast ones. I'm wondering how that slow congolese pheno of the BH will smoke!
Great Destroyer report there too Satva, who said there aren't nice and reasonably fast sativas? Some cuts of Destroyer are chopped here at 11-12 weeks.
Vibes!
LOL. Sounds like fun.
Don't wait much or you may loose a bit of energy and sparkle on those fast ones. I'm wondering how that slow congolese pheno of the BH will smoke!
Hi Mustafunk,
Thanks for the good vibes and encouragement.
This week cold and rain moved into our area. I also spotted mold on the biggest bud of the fat leaf pheno because it was leaning on another bud, so I harvested all of them.
The slow leafy Congolese pheno of Bangi Haze surprised me quite a bit since on the day of harvest, most pistils had died. It may have caught up in ripeness to the skinny leaf pheno, passing the fat leaf and Nepalese Jam. That is the only one I did not take a cutting of, since it started so late, and now I see I may have made a mistake. Because these plants are now likely my outdoor line, I will judge them by how they are harvested now. Oct. 1 or earlier would be ideal for me here, but Oct. 11 is not too bad, especially if I get a greenhouse.
All plants are pungent, but the skinny leaf yellow plant is EXTREMELY pungent, and smells soooo good, like very sweet perfume, sour like lemon, and a touch of menthol. It is almost sickening, but I like it. I have seeds and two cuttings of this one, since I liked it so much from the very beginning. I also have a cutting of the Neplalese Jam.
Thanks for your advice about making seeds. I had to hit that skinny leaf yellow plant over, and over, and over... before the branch filled with seeds. I may have given up if I did not know better from your advice. I also sprinkled a touch of Nepalese Jam pollen on it also, and those took instantly.
I have not trimmed all the bud, but from what I can see, there is very little mold so far. I would have expected more since so many branches were in a heap and on the ground. We'll see on closer inspection.
Mostly Me - Post some pictures of your destroyer on this thread if you are so inclined. Be sure to keep us updated none the less.
ThaiBliss
Outdoor updates:
Bangi Haze Skinny Yellow Leaf Pheno
ThaiBliss
All plants are pungent, but the skinny leaf yellow plant is EXTREMELY pungent, and smells soooo good, like very sweet perfume, sour like lemon, and a touch of menthol. It is almost sickening, but I like it.
ThaiBliss
Your skinny leaf bangi pheno looks and sounds rather like a nepal pheno (not ace's one, a danish nepal) I grew this year, harvested in late sept. Though I wouldn't call it extremely pungeant, it has the perumey lemon mixed with something vegetal.
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Looking nice fella. Love those foxtails and tiny calyxes! Be patient with those BHs, this strain is known to be a bit sterile and a hard one to breed with. Not sure if it's because of the males, females or genetics but even when heavily pollinated, only very few seeds end succesful. That's why even making new batches of seeds is a pain in the ass! So keep an eye on that.
I popped 2 BH (Ace) seeds for a fill in, test plant. Ended up 1/2 with 1 male. After seeing this, I lightly dusted a couple small buds that were about 3 weeks in, with fresh pollen once, to see what happened. I definitely have seeds developing. Didn't have any female BH's to hit and haven't tried any collected stored pollen for viability. But fresh from the male worked well. I'll germ test the seeds when they're ready. Glad to hear you had success, TB!
Some cuts of Destroyer are chopped here at 11-12 weeks.
I should note, I'm harvesting Destroyer late and fully mature to soften the energy. When I was harvesting early, there was some nervous system overload / burnout, after smoking a lot of Destroyer for several days in a row. From a later harvest about 17 weeks, less energy and more complex high, increasing the profound and spacious effect.
I haven't found a ceiling, hints of LSD type effects from high dosage and similar clear scientific effect with similar nervous system burnout you'd get from pure LSD . I know its all concept and user specific, but the later harvest softens the energy and is gentler on my nervous system.
Charlie Garcia noted a time warp effect for Destroyer. The high can go both ways very spacey where you walk into a room and forget why, but there you are in another dimension. If you can tame the energy Destroyer provides enhanced focus, great for research, concentration, and getting thing done efficiently, household chores, gardening and home maintenance / renovation. But the spaciousness and clarity can also facilitate contemplative pursuits. One aspect of the effect is almost scientific your consciousness is altered yet very clear and another aspect is profound and spacious.
The high subsides after four - six hours with very little let down or relaxation.
PS> Nepalese Jam and Bangi Haze grow is stellar. The world would be a better place if everyone could grow a plant or two in their backyard.
I should note, I'm harvesting Destroyer late and fully mature to soften the energy. When I was harvesting early, there was some nervous system overload / burnout, after smoking a lot of Destroyer for several days in a row. From a later harvest about 17 weeks, less energy and more complex high, increasing the profound and spacious effect.
I haven't found a ceiling, hints of LSD type effects from high dosage and similar clear scientific effect with similar nervous system burnout you'd get from pure LSD . I know its all concept and user specific, but the later harvest softens the energy and is gentler on my nervous system.
Charlie Garcia noted a time warp effect for Destroyer. The high can go both ways very spacey where you walk into a room and forget why, but there you are in another dimension. If you can tame the energy Destroyer provides enhanced focus, great for research, concentration, and getting thing done efficiently, household chores, gardening and home maintenance / renovation. But the spaciousness and clarity can also facilitate contemplative pursuits. One aspect of the effect is almost scientific your consciousness is altered yet very clear and another aspect is profound and spacious.
The high subsides after four - six hours with very little let down or relaxation.
PS> Nepalese Jam and Bangi Haze grow is stellar. The world would be a better place if everyone could grow a plant or two in their backyard.
I gave it a shot, but it's hard to take good pictures. Partly because I am not good at it, partly because my tent is in a small room and I can't position the camera properly (the wall should be further away from the tent opening)
What you see:
- Back left: a Bangi Haze, back right (next to fan) Chocolope
- Middle left -> right: Destroyer, Sugar Punch and Beyond the Brain
- Front: all Bangi haze
This is 4 weeks from flip. Since I flipped after minimal veg time, it took almost 3 weeks to show sex for most. They stayed nice and small (about 0.5 metres); this is the first grow I will not have height issues. But obviously Destroyer and also the Chocolope keep growing while the rest has stopped, I will start bending soon for optimal lamp-canopy distance.
You can also see Destroyer and Chocolope clawing. They are also too green. My diagnosis is N toxicity, which started after the aerated tea I gave them the day before yesterday. Apparently that really got the soil life going. I hope it won't mess up my buds. Would you guys flush, or just stop feeding?
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man that yellow gold looking plant,brings back memory's of my child hood, my daddy's acapulco gold plants when i was a kid in the 70's
Greetings Tripsters,
It has been a month since I updated the progress of the Gypsy Nirvana Thai Stick x Neville's Haze x Mullumbimby Madness plant. This is week 20, and it is still going strong. This is a record length grow for me, and I'm learning as I go.
Yes, it reminds me of Colombian Gold, that was bright yellow. I've heard that the Mullumbimby Madness might have had some Colombian in its lineage. Perhaps it was the Gold. This plant smells like lime, and in combination with that yellowish color, it actually makes my mouth water. I've grown strains that cured to gold, after about a year, and I've managed to get the small bud leaves of certain strains to look gold, but this is the first time I have stumbled on getting the buds to look like this. I suspect it is a combination of genetics, and environment. There are some hints of red in there also. A Colombian strain that I liked better than the Gold had yellow, red, brown, and green colored buds. There is no telling what colors it will have by the time it ripens and cures. I'm seeing some of that yellow die and go black. By the way, the only other Colombian I liked better than the Gold was Colombian Black. We'll see, after a hell of a long time.
Mostly Me - Thanks for posting your pictures. How is it doing? Time for more pictures I bet. Hint, hint...
Satva - I've got to try some of that Destroyer. I like both the Purple Haze Thai and the Zamaldelica which both have that Meao Thai in it. I'm hoping to acquire a cut of Zamal x Meao Thai x Neville's Haze, which should be a good use of that Meao Thai.
T99 - I don't think you can go wrong with crossing Bangi Haze with anything, if you like a good positive vibe in your smoke.
Rinse - Interesting about the Nepalese. I'm wondering if they are related, or two different Nepalese strains. Did you make seeds?
So, about the GNT x ...., This plant is finally showing some good resin production. For the entire budding cycle, the Oaxacan had higher concentrations of resin, but now I believe this mostly Thai strain is now showing what it can do.
Here is a picture of the plant:
This next picture is a better representation of the color of the buds:
Actually, the true color that I perceive is something in between those two pictures.
From a distance, it looks like the yellowed/blanched fox-tails look like they have little or no resin, but when I use a jeweler's loop, I see no difference in the resin coverage. Some close ups of the smaller lower buds show up well:
It has been a month since I updated the progress of the Gypsy Nirvana Thai Stick x Neville's Haze x Mullumbimby Madness plant. This is week 20, and it is still going strong. This is a record length grow for me, and I'm learning as I go.
Yes, it reminds me of Colombian Gold, that was bright yellow. I've heard that the Mullumbimby Madness might have had some Colombian in its lineage. Perhaps it was the Gold. This plant smells like lime, and in combination with that yellowish color, it actually makes my mouth water. I've grown strains that cured to gold, after about a year, and I've managed to get the small bud leaves of certain strains to look gold, but this is the first time I have stumbled on getting the buds to look like this. I suspect it is a combination of genetics, and environment. There are some hints of red in there also. A Colombian strain that I liked better than the Gold had yellow, red, brown, and green colored buds. There is no telling what colors it will have by the time it ripens and cures. I'm seeing some of that yellow die and go black. By the way, the only other Colombian I liked better than the Gold was Colombian Black. We'll see, after a hell of a long time.
Mostly Me - Thanks for posting your pictures. How is it doing? Time for more pictures I bet. Hint, hint...
Satva - I've got to try some of that Destroyer. I like both the Purple Haze Thai and the Zamaldelica which both have that Meao Thai in it. I'm hoping to acquire a cut of Zamal x Meao Thai x Neville's Haze, which should be a good use of that Meao Thai.
T99 - I don't think you can go wrong with crossing Bangi Haze with anything, if you like a good positive vibe in your smoke.
Rinse - Interesting about the Nepalese. I'm wondering if they are related, or two different Nepalese strains. Did you make seeds?
So, about the GNT x ...., This plant is finally showing some good resin production. For the entire budding cycle, the Oaxacan had higher concentrations of resin, but now I believe this mostly Thai strain is now showing what it can do.
Here is a picture of the plant:
This next picture is a better representation of the color of the buds:
Actually, the true color that I perceive is something in between those two pictures.
From a distance, it looks like the yellowed/blanched fox-tails look like they have little or no resin, but when I use a jeweler's loop, I see no difference in the resin coverage. Some close ups of the smaller lower buds show up well:
Here are some more pictures. I can look at them all day.
This one shows that there are a significant number of dead pistils, which gives me hope that someday this plant will fully ripen:
I found a very small sprinkling of seeds. I believe it is from the Oaxacan that was growing with it. It was very slightly hermaphroditic. It did not really have what looked like full blown male flowers, but looked like it was trying, and apparently succeeded throwing some viable pollen granules about. Look very slightly lower left of center. I found another somewhere else. I squeezed it a bit to see if it was a seed, and I think so.
The Oaxacan got dry enough to go into a jar this week. I'd like it to cure a bit, but is dry enough to test. Hmmm...
Got to go,
ThaiBliss
This one shows that there are a significant number of dead pistils, which gives me hope that someday this plant will fully ripen:
I found a very small sprinkling of seeds. I believe it is from the Oaxacan that was growing with it. It was very slightly hermaphroditic. It did not really have what looked like full blown male flowers, but looked like it was trying, and apparently succeeded throwing some viable pollen granules about. Look very slightly lower left of center. I found another somewhere else. I squeezed it a bit to see if it was a seed, and I think so.
The Oaxacan got dry enough to go into a jar this week. I'd like it to cure a bit, but is dry enough to test. Hmmm...
Got to go,
ThaiBliss
TB, Ive enjoyed your grow very much so far and I want to see all your hard work come to fruition. Ive enjoyed the pics and updates, but the most recent pic I believe illustrates an unfortunate result of your decision to go lean on N during flowering. I know you brought it up once before, and it didn't result in as much debate as you probably had hoped. I kept mum on it out of respect for your thread because I had a dissenting opinion.
Too little N can have just as much detrimental effect as too much N if not more. Ive grown out plenty of haze hybrids and Ive seen the effects of too little N and too much N in flowering more times than Id like..
These long-flowering sativas can be quite the challenge for any of us. Theres a fine edge to walk with these plants with regards to N compared to faster flowering varieties where mistakes aren't as magnified.
Going back to the picture now, I see nutrient deficiencies throughout particularly N in the buds now. Thats a clear indicator something has gone wrong. Its bad enough if we see it in the leaves, but once its moved to the buds its just downhill from there. Too little N can and has delayed flowering for me before and could be happening to you too right now. Although at this point its too late to care about that.
Id love to see you run a cut of this again but go with a heavier feed. Any plans on running this one a second time?
Too little N can have just as much detrimental effect as too much N if not more. Ive grown out plenty of haze hybrids and Ive seen the effects of too little N and too much N in flowering more times than Id like..
These long-flowering sativas can be quite the challenge for any of us. Theres a fine edge to walk with these plants with regards to N compared to faster flowering varieties where mistakes aren't as magnified. Going back to the picture now, I see nutrient deficiencies throughout particularly N in the buds now. Thats a clear indicator something has gone wrong. Its bad enough if we see it in the leaves, but once its moved to the buds its just downhill from there. Too little N can and has delayed flowering for me before and could be happening to you too right now. Although at this point its too late to care about that.
Id love to see you run a cut of this again but go with a heavier feed. Any plans on running this one a second time?
I wrote 4 different answers to your post. Then deleted them.
Here is what I will say. You may be right, and I'm likely to grow it again. We'll see what I do about the feed, depending on the results. But, there is nothing that is clear to me, until I have experienced it first hand. Personally, I have never seen any correlation between healthy green plants and good smoke, but I have seen the contrary again and again.
If I could summarize what I think are the three most important and simplified tips to growing good weed:
1.) Use good genetics.
2.) Learn when it is ripe, which can be different for different strains.
3.) Don't fertilize it... period.
Of course, it is more complicated than that.
Here is a link to a thread that debates this subject. You will find lots of people who agree with you there, and my arguments against their notions.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=232789&page=22
Thanks for posting. It is a shame this stuff is so taboo. The obvious answer, is to invite you to the smoking.
ThaiBliss
HI TB, man this shot is just ridiculous! Not in a bad way, just amazing to see the difference between this line outdoors and indoors.
I have seen police photos of indoor busts in Australia that looked like that, I guess that's what happens when you run a long flowering Thai (or mostly Thai) indoors. I too was very taken with the citrus funk emanating from the heads. Unfortunately my plants weren't in the best position to absorb sunlight, so I can't give an accurate assessment of them. The four plants were all generally strong, but I had a couple of similar Mullum x Thai crosses that are better, admittedly they had more sun. I currently have a bunch of beautiful Thais and Laos. Alas I'm not smoking until this next crop is in, in May/June/July. So pardon my absence. But I may drop in.
Peace bro.
I have seen police photos of indoor busts in Australia that looked like that, I guess that's what happens when you run a long flowering Thai (or mostly Thai) indoors. I too was very taken with the citrus funk emanating from the heads. Unfortunately my plants weren't in the best position to absorb sunlight, so I can't give an accurate assessment of them. The four plants were all generally strong, but I had a couple of similar Mullum x Thai crosses that are better, admittedly they had more sun. I currently have a bunch of beautiful Thais and Laos. Alas I'm not smoking until this next crop is in, in May/June/July. So pardon my absence. But I may drop in.
Peace bro.
thats incredible bushweed, I don't have the photos as I lost the camera, but that is near identical to a an Old Timers Haze I did indoors in 09. meter long buds with 12 inch fox tails and a 26-30 week flowering period. and a massive yield out of an 11 litre pot
great pics, like I say fucking near identical to the plant I grew
great pics, like I say fucking near identical to the plant I grew
30 WEEKS! Please don't say that. If I have 11 more weeks to go... then I did use way too little nitrogen. Those pale washed out areas on the bud are going to die. I'm hoping for 4 more weeks.
One the other hand...
Here are some pictures of Swazi Red Beard from the African Strains thread that look like what is happening to the plant I'm growing. The name of the strain is Swazi Red Beard, and it is the areas of the bud that look like something that has gone terribly wrong where it turns red.
Here is a picture of a traditionally grown ganja field in Africa that has not been over fertilized:
Super fertilizing plants is a new phenomenon. It is one of the reasons that ganja (and tomatoes) quality has gone downhill in the last 20 years, in my opinion.
Sorry, I just can't seem to let it go.
ThaiBliss
One the other hand...
Here are some pictures of Swazi Red Beard from the African Strains thread that look like what is happening to the plant I'm growing. The name of the strain is Swazi Red Beard, and it is the areas of the bud that look like something that has gone terribly wrong where it turns red.
Here is a picture of a traditionally grown ganja field in Africa that has not been over fertilized:
Super fertilizing plants is a new phenomenon. It is one of the reasons that ganja (and tomatoes) quality has gone downhill in the last 20 years, in my opinion.
Sorry, I just can't seem to let it go.
ThaiBliss
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sourpuss
Gotta wonder... dont think ive had good sativa for a long long time..... its so premature it ridiculous.
Smokin the stuff ypu grow compared to the regular current hybrid super caked strains, does it compared? Does it blow the new stuff away? I find I get a nice head buzz that doeant last with the sativa strains I can get. Or I just dont get much of anything.... I know its a grower error, premature, wonder how ypur peraonal grown compares.....
Smokin the stuff ypu grow compared to the regular current hybrid super caked strains, does it compared? Does it blow the new stuff away? I find I get a nice head buzz that doeant last with the sativa strains I can get. Or I just dont get much of anything.... I know its a grower error, premature, wonder how ypur peraonal grown compares.....
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Here are some more pictures. I can look at them all day.
This one shows that there are a significant number of dead pistils, which gives me hope that someday this plant will fully ripen:
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I found a very small sprinkling of seeds. I believe it is from the Oaxacan that was growing with it. It was very slightly hermaphroditic. It did not really have what looked like full blown male flowers, but looked like it was trying, and apparently succeeded throwing some viable pollen granules about. Look very slightly lower left of center. I found another somewhere else. I squeezed it a bit to see if it was a seed, and I think so.
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The Oaxacan got dry enough to go into a jar this week. I'd like it to cure a bit, but is dry enough to test. Hmmm...
Got to go,
ThaiBliss
hello TB,
What are the actual light hours, on/off, that this plant recieves?
Maybe it would be a very intresting experiment to reintroduce some N via foliar feeding onto a single branch/bud of that plant to see if you get any reaction or different development then at that stage.
