awwc
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Mostly brits that hate their life in the UK and come here to fck themselves up, I'd say they amount for 60% of the tourists that cause issues (sorry my GOOD UK people not talking about the good ones ofc)
cannabis ban in Amsterdam?
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According to some people cannabis use disorder is daily use and requires, Behavioral therapies that may help treat cannabis addiction. But these same people can't start their day without a cup of coffee. Too funny!
Its not the drugs fault that people abuse them any more then its food that causes obesity. Most opioid users have jobs and homes, four out of five OD deaths happen in thier own home or apartment. The people you see on the streets were mentally ill long before they ever used a drug.
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awwc
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I will speak to you in ten years young fella (I'm pretty young myself tho ngl LOL)
I wish! Born in 65 but your only as young as you feel eh. LOL
moose eater
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There's been a push of one sort or another present there for 25-30 years (or more) to reduce or end the sale and possession of 'soft drugs'.
Prostitution has been another front in the fight for the Right's morality push.
The old space cakes are long gone from sidewalk view where they were once sold by vendors in plain view, the limit to 5 grams of hash/cannabis took effect in the mid-1990s, numerous efforts to restrict cafe's to Dutch residents/citizens only, and so forth.
And post-9/11 there was a renewed effort toward many of these things.
Most of the efforts have failed, or, in the case of the 5-gram limits, gone into effect with many ways to skirt around it.
But the fact remains that where there's tenacity, eventualy some might succeed.
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moose eater
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My knowledge of the history of the coast along Holland is it was always (for hundreds of years) a bouncing-off point for ships heading out, often to North America.
Sea ports are notorious for providing things that sailors are into. Even hundreds of years ago. Common sense stuff.
There are very old paintings in Holland depicting some of the more raucous behaviors. And many/some of those ships came out of the Mediterranean, where spices, garments/linens, hash, and other items were among the more common transportation goods.
But in the current times, self-discipline and self-centeredness are also perhaps out of control, too. And those variables or traits can ruin a good thing in short order.
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awwc
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During ''VOC'' times aka sending poor people from Jordaan area on missions to steal gold/herbs and spices or occaisionally trade for it, when the sailors came back the promise was often they would be rewarded with hookers in Amsterdam, this was hundrers and hundrerds of years ago, many ''sailors'' bars and stuff are still around.
Amsterdam has always been a city of imported stuff (aka drugs nowadays mostly) and well prostitution and other shenanigans. Like for centuries and centuries, the thing is, even the laws in the Netherland regarding weed actually are designed and geared to facilitate illegal imports of in the beginning of the last century hash from Asia (just like in the good ole days...) It was never ever expected for people to grow such a ''tropical and foreign plant'' here because ''how could it grow here'' , hello indoor lighting revolution I suppose... the thing is, you can run a great operation in Netherlands if you import everything, which is exactly thre Dutch way...
awwc
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The whole drugs and hookers thing is not really connected to the North/South America, it was a couple 100 years before that during the golden age.
I was very interested in the history so a couple years ago I researched everything for like a month, honestly it's pretty brutal and pretty sad for the most part however it brings a lot of character to the city, if you know what to look for in Amsterdam on some places you can see extremely valueable things just literally scattered over the city, there are places with real gold as ornaments stuff like that...
Cmon ICers,,,
its very easy for where most of the blame lay,,,,,
again it’s the Brits but obviously not all of us and the huge influx of cruise passengers ,,,,
It’s too small for that volume of tourist,, kinda like Venice,,,
Im going over later in the year with my missus,,,,
not sparking up in the street -red light area or anywhere else is not a stretch,,
I can spark up in cafes and my apartment,,
I have no wish to stink up an Art Museum or the queue for the Ann Frank House,,,,,good manners cost nothing,,,,,
It will be a pleasure to not see pissed n stoned tossers everywhere and a bonus not having to tell “ young guns” to mind their manners almost spoiling our buzz with the possibility of impending violence,,,,
Only language those type of Brits understand sadly,,,,,,,
Sorry if Brits and our EU friends disagree but this is the way I see it,,,,,,s2
its very easy for where most of the blame lay,,,,,
again it’s the Brits but obviously not all of us and the huge influx of cruise passengers ,,,,
It’s too small for that volume of tourist,, kinda like Venice,,,
Im going over later in the year with my missus,,,,
not sparking up in the street -red light area or anywhere else is not a stretch,,
I can spark up in cafes and my apartment,,
I have no wish to stink up an Art Museum or the queue for the Ann Frank House,,,,,good manners cost nothing,,,,,
It will be a pleasure to not see pissed n stoned tossers everywhere and a bonus not having to tell “ young guns” to mind their manners almost spoiling our buzz with the possibility of impending violence,,,,
Only language those type of Brits understand sadly,,,,,,,
Sorry if Brits and our EU friends disagree but this is the way I see it,,,,,,s2
An eloquent argument as to why legalization is so much better then decimalization. Five years after legalization in Canada and nobody is happy in other words a perfect compromise. Our righteous right the Conservatives have invested as much in cannabis industries as any other group and the largest increase in cannabis users are seniors with half a gummy before bed time, who are the Conservatives base voters. Cannabis is here to stay in Canada.
A perfect example is the small retirement town I live in. Most people were dead set against legalization and vowed never allow a cannabis shop in our perfect town. We now have two cannabis shops but only one gas station one grocery store and one liquor store. But you have to be careful there is always a gang of seniors hanging out in front of the shops.
Cuddles
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a gang, huh? Do they also steal sweets from others when they get the munchies?
Cuddles
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Sort of reminds me of germans when they go on holiday to Mallorca ... I wonder who´s worse?
you got to watch out for the older women. those old fruit bats still own (and CARRY!) hatpins on them. they get vicious when snow is forecast & they flash-mob in grocery stores here, stripping the shelves bare of bread and milk...a gang, huh? Do they also steal sweets from others when they get the munchies?
moose eater
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I think a lot of that goes to studying at least a little bit about a place before going there, especially re. local customs and laws.
Some of it goes to self-discipline, respect, and basic boundaries once cut loose from more repressive realities.
Lots of poorly informed Americans believed that cannabis in Holland was./is legal, though it's never been so. The (Dutch) Doctrine of Tolerance occurred the very same year that Alaska's Ravin v. State came down in our favor, re. privacy and personal amounts of cannabis in the home (1975).
In both cases, there were many who ran wild with the newly formed and often poorly defined 'laws'. To their own injury re. the long-term probability of such policies being honored. Given enough rope, many more or less hung, or began to hang, their future 'liberties.'
I've known of folks in distant circles to boast of lighting up -in- Schipol Airport long ago, post-1975.
Others smoking publicly in town.
Most Americans have perceived Holland as a 'liberal' Country, but, despite their pragmatic approach to cannabis, immigration, farming, and prostitution, they are traditional (humanist) conservatives going WAY back. Their policies on maintaining store fronnts, sidewalks, personal responsibility, and more point to a culture that is traditionally focused on those values. Yet 'we' grasped one or 2 features and leapt to conclusions that were presumptuous at best, and not well-researched. Frankly, to the old Dutch (some truly amazingly courageous people, if you look at World War II and the residents of Arnhem, as only one example) we were offensive in many of our assumptions and actions..
Again, given enough rope, we can often hang ourselves with our behavior.
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moose eater
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We saw alcohol banned in the 1920s, despite its legality, or simple wide-spread social acceptance. So was cocaine and laudnum into the early 1900s. Winds can change, and money for propaganda, given the right moment, can cause things thought to be accepted or stable to go away.
We had State Constitutional protections for cannabis in Alaska since May of 1975, and Constitutional rights can't be voted out by a simple majority vote, yet that's exactly what occurred in 1990/1991, and it took 11 years of revolving doors at the courts, and cops maintaining enforcement of a bogus statute via AG's and DA's not apealing their losses, to finally end that bizarre decade+ of double-speak.
I think there were benefits on both sides; the sometimes vague decrim under Ravin, and the current allowances/permissions under legalization. All things being Yin & Yang.
But all of it is up for grabs when/if a legislature or parliament decides it needs to change.. what ever their real reasons are at that moment. Nothing is truly sacred or cast in stone for them.. or us.
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i don't think that anyone would feel "safe" given the short shrift courts give "established precedent" these days, regardless of their "pious vows" to "honor" it in order to get on the bench so they can immediately gut it as they were sworn to do.
Except death.
For everything else its just the probability or odds that it will happen like the sun coming up tomorrow odds are it will but the earth could stop spinning. After 60 years of the drug war illicit drugs are easier to get then ever. The ideal behind prohibition is to stop people from getting harmful drugs. The only drug use that went down is tobacco from 43% in the 60ies at the start of the drug war to less then 12% now proving education is better then prohibition at reducing harmful drug use. But stupid is as stupid does and Narcs are fucking morons.
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Hasch
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I would assume most
As are many peoples I find
are set in their way of thinking and afraid of change ...
As are many peoples I find
History proves one thing evolve or go extinct.
BTW is there anyone here who knows about the wave of fear of change that happened when the 1932 book Brave New World came out or remembers it when the 1980ies movie came out?
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