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sweet-emotion

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Does anyone know what the new standard Zamaldelica has different to the original reg? I can't seem to get an answer. I grew some bought in 2013 and it was great. I bought some about 4 months ago from Seedsman. What did those consist of? Because Ace were out of stock of reg Zam. Terpene or someone has that answer. Thanks Vin

I still got 8 seeds from "January 22nd 2013" batch -Zamal x Golden Tiger, isn't it? and plan to pop them next summer here in the southern hemisphere. I grew 4 (cause 12 seeds came in the pack) the 2013/2014 summer and got one magnificent -I think Thai leaning-, female, one plant that didn't grow past three nodes and two hermies.
Despite this, I really liked the genetics and still got some to smoke. That plant knocked out some people I can tell you.

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Shooters

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My experiences almost mirror Sweet-emotions';

bought a 10 pack and recieved 2 extras, last summer I planted four: 1 & 2 were malawi pheno that never finished outdoors here, #3 was a female malawi that went hermi along with #4 which was a thai pheno male that turned hermi, I used that one to breed with.

#5 was planted last x-mas and been run indoors 11/13 from seed, it is a thai leaning and still has a few months to go.

#6&7 were planted a couple weeks ago 6 is up and stable but something killed #7. bummer

I've 5 left that I will grow later, but I'm loving this mixed bag of phenos, cuz all of them rock!

#5 smells of carrots and mango.... :D

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OGEvilgenius

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I hear you on that one. A lot of people where hoping for a Zamal x Zamaldellica Elite cross. Even as a limited edition release all the hardcore NLD fans would have to jump on the crazy train. It does seem strange to me to keep the mother alive but not see her worthy of breeding forward with her but I have very limited space so?

That and ACE sells pure Malawi, Golden Tiger, Haze x Malawi, and now Zamaldellica is mostly Malawi genetics. I personally purchased Zamaldellica for the Zamal genetics not Killer Malawi. I must say they lost me on the new version of the hybrid. It will be much harder to find the Mango/Carrot Zamal pheno through all that Malawi. It just seems like ACE took the easy way out on the updated new version. Even Zamaldellica Elite x Zamaldellica Elite bread towards the Zamal mother and inbred and worked generations like Panama, NepJam, and Bangi Haze where taken to F8-10 over the years would be a diamond in the rough.

Is the auto-flowering, and hermi traits in the mother really that bad? We understand her flaws and accept her for who she is we promise! People that have done a lot of research on NLD variety flock to ACE for a reason. We want the hardcore, pain in the ass to grow, out of control highest high.

If Dubi does decide to give us a shot at a Zamal BX(Zamal x Zamaldellica) I will be the first in line to grab a few packs, and the pheno hunt will begin! But at least I do have 12 of the original F1s set aside for a rainy day. I plan on making some F2s and crossing to Double Thai.

But as the smoke reports come we might change our minds. Maybe the Zamal we are hunting is easy enough to find in the new version and we are missing the point. But until proven otherwise we will all be dreaming of obtaining that Carrot/Mango madness.

I do love that ACE released pure Killer Malawi for our enjoyment but?

I think the Zamal x Zamaldelica elite would probably produce a fair number of hermaphrodites. Which I suspect is why you aren't seeing it.
 

Thcvhunter

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I think the Zamal x Zamaldelica elite would probably produce a fair number of hermaphrodites. Which I suspect is why you aren't seeing it.

What makes you say this?
Have you gotten a lot of hermies growing when you grew Gerrit's cut of Zamal?

Btw, be careful criticizing ACE for not releasing Zamal to the public. Someone gave me a negative rating for stating the truth - ACE won't release it because it's (Zamal) their money maker :peacock:
(Unless ACE wants to make me eat my own words and announce that they're working on inbreeding for Zamal traits in a separate line. At that point I'd start giving ACE my money)
 

OGEvilgenius

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What makes you say this?
Have you gotten a lot of hermies growing when you grew Gerrit's cut of Zamal?

Btw, be careful criticizing ACE for not releasing Zamal to the public. Someone gave me a negative rating for stating the truth - ACE won't release it because it's (Zamal) their money maker :peacock:
(Unless ACE wants to make me eat my own words and announce that they're working on inbreeding for Zamal traits in a separate line. At that point I'd start giving ACE my money)

Crosses with it tend to express the trait from what I've read and experienced growing it out. I knew it going in. I'm pretty sure they have stated they do not want to do more straight Zamal hybrids for this reason. And yes, they are working this to be representative of the elite cut AFAIK and I never got the impression otherwise.

I'd imagine that an elite cut from say the first generation of seeds back to the original Zamal cut would mean at least 25% or so herm plants in the offspring. That's a high ratio. The Zamal cut I believe has it recessively. Obviously whatever they crossed it to originally does too - which isn't a surprise being they work with landrace sativas.

Sometimes compromises must be made. Ace has done nothing for me to believe they do anything other than they say and I've grown some of their gear as well as CBG's gear which I believe they are closely associated with. Peyote Purple is a winner and incredibly stable. It's the kind of plant most breeders would never release because it would be easy to rip off in F2's and is top flight breeding material. So yeah, I got a lot of respect for these guys...
 
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Bob Green

I am pretty sure ACE sees their Malawi as their biggest money maker along with Panama, and Oldtimers haze. Maybe we will see Zamaldellica Elite x Panama, Zamaldellica x Haze, along with the Zamaldellica x Malawi. I figured Dubi sees his new regular Zamaldellica as a standard version of the first Zamaldellica fem release which was Zamal x Killer Malawi.

It seems like finding a Zamaldellica elite non hermi male is the tricky part. That the reason we don't have the pure Gypsy Zamal. I think Garret ran thirty seeds to find his Zamal A, and B cuts but no known stable males where found and saved. Other people tried to find male plants to work with but no luck. S1s of the Zamal A cut might possibly be the only option for keeping that particular Zamal line in pure form.
 

yoss33

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Guys, you are so easy to see the conspiracy, you don't even bother to read the history.

As you can read in this thread (I think), Ace have grown Zamal from the original Gypsy Nirvana's seeds and didn't keep any plants or breed for seeds because these Zamals were not really worth it. The line needs a lot of seeds and working to bring to a good condition.
Then Gerrit found one great plant (or rather 2) among the GN Zamal seeds he tried. A single cut that also has undesired characteristics (auto-flowering, hermie) but is otherwise great (compactness, short flowering time, potency, trippy high).
You cannot make a strain out of a single clone. No pure Zamal line possible.
You can cross it to something and then backcross, but this way you'll be constantly hitting the auto-flowering and hermi traits. So, the path of cubing the Gerrit cut to get almost-pure Zamal line is not a wise one - it would need lots of selection and careful testing of offspring on every generation.
If you haven't noticed, Ace and Cannabiogen are breeding over many generations strains started out as hybrids. This way they get the hybrid bonus for the first generations and then stabilization for the good traits compensates for the loss of hybrid vigour in the following generations. But all generations are good (even the first), and they don't have to work a line for several years before it becomes worthy. Maybe you want too much of them if you want stabilized pure sativa lines - this is so much work they might not even have the capacity to do it for more than 1 line.
As to why Golden Tiger was selected for Zamaldelica instead of Meao Thai - both hybrids were tried and it seems Ace found the GT hybrid (or only some of its results) worthier, effect- and plant-wise. You cannot blame Ace for their personal tastes. Everyone has his own preferences (I personally would like to see a Zamal x Haze offering) but it's Ace that are putting efforts into what they want, so they have the right to make of Zamaldelica whatever they wish.
Thcvhunter, if you want a good pure Zamal, why not try to breed one by yourself and tell us how easy it was? Original seeds from La Reunion are still popping up in the forums. You sound like it's easy, you only need to breed it, right?
 

dubi

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Hi all,

I always respect and appreciate your comments and recommendations when they come in a respectful and non agressive way, and i will do my best (i wish i had more time) to answer all your questions.

Regarding Zamaldelica's breeding, as i have repeated here several times, the selected Zamaldelica's Zamal dominant elite mothers (the ones selected from the original standard outcross: Zamal A x old killer Malawi/Meo Thai) are as close as possible to what i'm looking for in this hybrid: a short/medium sized Zamal dominant sativa with refined floral fruity terpenes (mango, rose flower petals, sweet carrot juice), with great bud density for a pure sativa, very high resin production, extremely high THC content and THC/CBD ratio, exceptional powerful and well focused uplifting psychedelic effect, easy to grow indoors in a moderate flowering time without hermie traits .... it took lot of time to find these exceptional elite Zamal dominant parental plants with the desired blend of traits i was looking for, that's why we are focusing the breeding of the strain towards this pheno and these parental plants and traits. Right now, there's no reason for me to go back through back crosses again to Zamal as it will bring the line the undesirable traits i've been trying to avoid, these zamal dominant elite phenos already have all what i was looking for.

This doesn't mean that i don't appreciate the more thai phenos or zamal/thai phenos of the hybrid, we indeed have just finished a new Zamaldelica standard selection/reproduction using the last seeds from the original outcross, and although we didn't find better zamal dominant phenos than in previous selections, we have found this time very nice thai and zamal/thai dominant expressions that have been reproduced in seed form and preserved in clone form, in fact all the interesting old and new non hermie parental plants have been also open pollinated in order to preserve the maximum of interesting genetic combinations. I'm very enthusiastic about the present and future of this strain, that's why we are dedicating so much time to inbred, open pollinate, etc ...

But as a breeder, i have my own point of view and goal to achieve with this hybrid, obviously i cannot please every one's preference. After all this a Zamaldelica and not a Thaidelica, we have already offered great thai dominant expressions in GT fem and Double Thai Standard. And also, don't underrate the positive potential contribution of the Malawi to the hybrid, Malawi has the potential to produce very interesting clear non heavy effects when is crossed with another nice sativas with these type of clear effects, like is the case of haze x malawi hybrids or Zamaldelica. Maybe is also worth to mention the high resin production, vigour, yield, indoor adaptability, extreme strenght, deepness, psychedelic and long lasting effects that Malawi provide to hybrids.

For those who are unsure of what is the concrete genetic combination of a current release, before you buy please check the information at our website, or better email us for more details. We are very open and honest to explain to our customers what are the current and exact genetic composition of our strains and hybrids.

If all these doesn't meet your expections or preferences, then we always encourage growers to make their own breeding and try to find what they are looking for, whether comes from our genetics or from others.

Have a great weekend.
 
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padrone

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Well said Dubi, I have had nothing but clear communication with you over the years. You have always been honest about the lineages of your lines(as far as you personally knew). Preferences are preferences.
 
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Bob Green

Great to hear about the new selections Dubi. Hopefully we will see a Zamaldellica breeders pack in the future.
 

konopenko

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" GENETICS

100 % sativa poly hybrid. Zamal x Malawi/Thai "

You get !0 years in gulag for that kind of sarcasm here and some moldy ganja to smoke :biggrin:
 

ValleyKush

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This conversation is stupid... dubi, you and your partners work is unparalleled as far as landraces/ landrace hybrids are concerned and your patience for these rude, uninformed (learn to read before you buy/ complain), internet complainers is top notch as well. It blows me away that people look at your work and the wealth of information about it and think to themselves "the way he worded that or bred that isn't the way I would have done it so I'm gona hop on the internet and tell him a thing or two"... your bad vibes are not appriciated in this awsoome, info packed thread.
Ace has never let me down with genetics or customer service, it saddens me to think somebody might be put off because of a couple trolls whining about things they are ill informed about.
I wish I could throw some zamaladelica malawi leaning pics up so you all could bask in their beauty but at this time thats not possible, maybe some noble sir will do the honor for me and get this thread back on track! :)
 

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