Zamaldelica

[Terpene]

Hello, I've just start to grow Zamaldelica after I read this topic 1 fem seed 11/13 from seed, under leds I hope that she will start flowering around 4 weeks, not enough space in my micro but I take a risk to smoke that strain I'm planning to have something like scrog but under the plant's stems which should help me LST. Today is 1st day of zamaldelica life, I will post some pictures when she will be bigger and start flowering

Here is my box

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Size : 30x33x57 centimetres not inches! POT: 3L

This micro should be really interesting. She's a lanky plant with large buds, so LST will work very well for controlling the growth and evening out the canopy. Whats the wattage on the LED? What wattage are the chipsets? There is another grower on here by the name of Blynx who's grows are very similar (CFL instead of LED) in dimensions and style, if you aren't already familiar with his micros: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=190726

 

[Zrolowany]

My friend had 2x super silver haze x c99 in pc and grown it with full success so maybe I will have luck too. Led was made by polish grower overall is around 35W, single chipset is 3W osram 80 ssl. Today is second day of zamaldelica and I have some problem because half part of plant is yellow, another half is green.. If you no understand.. leaves are shared symmetrically for 2 parts with different colours. I've something like this before on outdoor big plant where every leaf was the same

 

[Halonium]

Could it be variegated?

 

[The Hatter]

Hi Terpene!
Great log man, I'm just got my hands on a Thai leaning Zamaldelica cut to try! Thanks for the awesome journal!

I have some issues with this post so I'll address that too. I want to share with everyone that the claims made in this statement are 100% false with regard to conclusions made about potency testing.

The amount of THC reported IS THE ACTUAL WEIGHT...but it's based on dry weight...not the weight of the bud in the sack you bought. It has to be fully dehydrated as analytics looks at the tissue and compounds in the plant...not the water!!!

Do yourself a favor and look up "determining dry weights" of plant tissue!

Perpetuating false info is LAME! It's obvious you don't know the first thing about analytical laboratory techniques...if you did then your know that a honest, ethical and well-trained scientist will get very similar numbers because sampling is done properly to get an average THC (or whatever else) from the while plant, not the top bud!

This is what happened when greedy stoners are in charge of the science!

And CBD is NOT A SEDATIVE! Quite the opposite in fact...look it up!

That's all I have to say on that matter...

Excellent work on the ZD!

I certainly was not attempting to mislead anyone. I'd apparently been smoking a bit heavily when I was writing my post and rereading it I do see there are errors in it for which I apologize. I'll correct what I was trying to say about why the results produced by local testing labs tend to highly variable, misleading and inaccurate so it makes a bit more sense this time. I should also apologize to the OP as this going off on a tangent from the original subject of the thread but I feel I should clarify what I was trying to say as somebody has taken offense to it.

To begin with, when I offhandedly mentioned that high CBD strains tend to be sedating I was referring to my own experience with them and that of the handful of people I know personally in the medical community who find them relaxing and sleep inducing rather than stimulating as you suggest. I imagine like with all drugs the effects vary from person to person.

I personally find the effects of high CBD strains to be quite similiar to taking a light dose sedatives such as benzodiazapines or other GABA agonists. The little science that has been done on the subject tells us CBD by itself doesn't have psychotropic effects so it is likely that the subjective effects noticed by people smoking high CBD concentrates and strains are in fact caused by complex interactions with it and the many other active components in cannabis. For instance CBD has a higher affinity for cannabiniod receptor sites than does THC and thus can displace it.

As for the part about potency testing, let's see if I can do a better job with my post this time.

To start with part of the problem with potency testing is that the various labs don't even always use the same tests. The most commonly used tests are GC, HPLC and UPLC. Results will of course vary depending on which test is used. With GC, for instance, THC acid and CBD acid will decarboxylate during the testing process into THC and CBD respectively and thus will end up being added to the THC and CBD totals even though this is not representative of the composition of the original sample. GC can produce inflated THC and CBD levels in the final results compared to some other testing methods due to this.

Even if labs do use the same exact test there still will be variation in their results depending on consistency of the sample they use and the methodology used for selecting and preparing that sample. For instance, you will get radically different result if you break off a piece of stem and test it rather than if you use nothing but trichomes. Labs are financially pressured to report back as high a THC score as possible and thus there will tend to be a bias in the sampling methods use that will produce more desirable results for their customers. If you are a dispensary that sends out its bud to be tested which lab will you use, the one that consistently returns higher THC results for your bud or the one that consistently returns lower results? As you aptly pointed out greed has a big hand in discouraging accuracy in the testing process. The easiest way to ensure good results without simply making them up out of thin air is to bias the sampling method towards picking only the best portions of the bud and excluding things like the stems etc. and instead using only the most resin laden portions.

You brought up one of the other ways the results can be misleading which is that they remove all the water from the bud before testing it. Water is a large natural constituent of any cannabis tissue sample regardless of how well it is cured. Fresh cannabis tissue is close to 75% water and by the time its on the dispensary shelf its in the neighborhood of 15%. When you remove select portions of the original tissue sample such as water before testing, it will increase the apparent concentration of THC in the final results. I do understand why this is done but it is something that most people do not realize when they go around touting the THC content of a strain. Many think this number indicates the percentage of THC in the bud they are buying rather than the percentage after a good portion of the inactive portion of the plants tissue (water) has been removed during the testing process.

In the article I last read on the subject of just how unreliable and variable marijuana potency testing is, the people investigating the problem took steps to keep the local labs from biasing the sampled material during the first step of the testing procedure by taking the bud and throwing it in a coffee grinder and reducing it to a fine, consistent powder before having it tested. That way the lab techs couldn't bias the results by doing shady things like only skimming the trichomes off the sample etc. because it was all mixed together homogeneously. They then sent this uniform powder to several different labs. One came back at 18% the other at 29%. This is a radical difference in results. Had they not ground up the sample ahead of time I'm sure the discrepancy would have been even larger.

I hope I've cleared up the problems with my original post. If you want to still follow up on this just send me a PM and I can probably find you links on the subject so we don't spam this thread with an off topic argument. My apologies for my first post being of a rather shoddy quality resulting in a need to redo it.

 

[Zrolowany]

day6, had some problems but I think, now its fine

 

[dubi]

on this days i will show pics from my 16 zamaldelicas

i want cross 1 zamal male with my ciskey female and other early sativas

what kind of zamal male pheno is best to cross if i need early maturing plants?

thai male or african?

Greetings cadizboy,

The zamal/malawi are the faster flowering zamaldelica expressions. Zamaldelica is a (non stabilized) poly hybrid i would recommend you to select a good and early Zamaldelica and then pollinate her with another more stable and early flowering strain to more easily achieve your breeding goal.

 

[dubi]

Welcome Zrolowany, what a cute and small LED setup

It will be a great achievement to develop correctly a tropical sativa in such small space.
Best wishes, let us know if you have any doubt.

 

[Terpene]

So here's two
Zamaldelica (malawi-african pheno) x (Tom Hill Haze x [Purple Thai Skunk x White Widow])
at a fellow medical patient's house. These plants have been outdoor all fall/winter. The "dead of winter" has not been enough to finish them, so they'll be going inside at the end of February to finish off. I'm assuming this happened because the seedlings were started late in the season and it didn't start flowering till about November. Here they are today, looking about half finished.

The more Tom Haze / Purple Widow leaning one is developing faster and has picked up a lot of the Purple Widow's "maroon-purple candy" smell:

The more Zamaldelica pheno is still pretty light in the bud department, but is starting to resemble mom (the Malawi/Zamal side). When rubbed, its mainly the Zamaldelica's sweet mango carrot aroma, but its picked up some of Tom Hill Haze's asian peanut sauce smell which makes for a very interesting bouquet:

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Both look great Terpene. I've done winter crops before and finished inside those will be super good. Nice cross.

 

[BoldAsLove]

Looks beautiful Terpene! I would be very curious to see what you think of an outdoor Zamaldelica compared to your LED grown sample. Outdoor is not possible for me, so I do everything I can in my indoor LED garden to replicate nature for these tropical genetics I so love, but it seems an impossible task at times, and the uncertainty of reaching the plants effect potential nags my mind often :/

But, we do what we can, right?

Any chance at all you might try a straight up Zamaldelica in your friend's garden?

Best wishes

 

[Terpene]

I got to try the lowers on the previously mentioned Zamaldelica / Tom Hill Haze / Purple White Widow cross. It was exactly what I was expecting from the trio, but more pleasant than I was expecting at the same time.

So we're on the same page: African (mango carrot) Zamaldelica x (Purple White Widow x Tom Hill Haze) - purple white widow is (purple thai x skunk) x white widow.

The flowers smelled of mango with the maroon candy back. The effect was VERY Zamaldelica - instantly up and clear, with a buzz setting in at the cheeks, followed by a tightening of the diaphragm, and the buzz working toward the toes. The gut tightening effect was not as strong as I've experienced with Zamaldelica which was a welcome change. I was playing pool with friends at the time and ended up having to sit a couple rounds out as about 5 minutes after smoking, I hit the "terrorific" point at the top of the roller coaster, followed by the cliff jumping "here we go / things just got real" feeling I've described before. At the time, I described the effect as being similar to "a rope being tied to your waist, attached to a supercar shooting through a tunnel at maximum acceleration". I had forgotten just how intense Zamaldelica's hitting the ceiling effect was.

After the fear settled out around 15 minutes later, I was up, talky, positive, soaring and blasted (White Widow effect) while having nearly constant inner monologues (Tom Hill effect). There were minor waves of Zamaldelica's hitting the ceiling effect, but nowhere near as intense as the initial spike. The Tom Haze/White Widow side seems to have made this cross more soaring, more talky and a bit more introspective with less of the terror and a bit more of the energetic terrific.

 

[Dropped Cat]

Cool, sign me up for this. Been hitting the Zamaldelica lately
as I have one in flower. So engaging, the head is so sharp. You
know it when it levels out, very nice.

Is purple thunk a thai haze x skunk?

 

[cadizboy]

all my zamaldelicas reg has been cutted and now is time to cure


i smoke 1 low bud this morning , citric flavours like a orange , flavours arenot very intense

but the high.... omg what a bomb at start you can feel how your heart and brain work at 200%


i still have flowering 1 zamaldelica feno thai i think she never end to flowering at 12/12

 

[ghost grower]

hello dubi and every one

would you be able to tell me how these wold go down here in new Zealand 37S outdoor would they start to flower at the same time as the panama maybe ?

cheers for your replys

 

[dubi]

I got to try the lowers on the previously mentioned Zamaldelica / Tom Hill Haze / Purple White Widow cross. It was exactly what I was expecting from the trio, but more pleasant than I was expecting at the same time.

So we're on the same page: African (mango carrot) Zamaldelica x (Purple White Widow x Tom Hill Haze) - purple white widow is (purple thai x skunk) x white widow.

The flowers smelled of mango with the maroon candy back. The effect was VERY Zamaldelica - instantly up and clear, with a buzz setting in at the cheeks, followed by a tightening of the diaphragm, and the buzz working toward the toes. The gut tightening effect was not as strong as I've experienced with Zamaldelica which was a welcome change. I was playing pool with friends at the time and ended up having to sit a couple rounds out as about 5 minutes after smoking, I hit the "terrorific" point at the top of the roller coaster, followed by the cliff jumping "here we go / things just got real" feeling I've described before. At the time, I described the effect as being similar to "a rope being tied to your waist, attached to a supercar shooting through a tunnel at maximum acceleration". I had forgotten just how intense Zamaldelica's hitting the ceiling effect was.

After the fear settled out around 15 minutes later, I was up, talky, positive, soaring and blasted (White Widow effect) while having nearly constant inner monologues (Tom Hill effect). There were minor waves of Zamaldelica's hitting the ceiling effect, but nowhere near as intense as the initial spike. The Tom Haze/White Widow side seems to have made this cross more soaring, more talky and a bit more introspective with less of the terror and a bit more of the energetic terrific.

Hola Terpene,

I'm so glad to hear the good results of your zamaldelica cross
It's an excellent idea to cross zamaldelica with haze, the slight skunk and widow influence will make things much easier too, especially if you can do some pheno hunting from a bigger population.

 

[dubi]

all my zamaldelicas reg has been cutted and now is time to cure

i smoke 1 low bud this morning , citric flavours like a orange , flavours arenot very intense

but the high.... omg what a bomb at start you can feel how your heart and brain work at 200%

i still have flowering 1 zamaldelica feno thai i think she never end to flowering at 12/12

Hi cadizboy,

Thanks for the feedback, happy to hear you found the Zamaldelica high powerful could be scary for the people not used to strong sativas but very special and enjoyable for people looking for trippy euphoric sativas with no ceiling. It's hard to find this type of sativa effects in commercial strains .... too much indica or rudelaris nowadays.

 

[dubi]

hello dubi and every one

would you be able to tell me how these wold go down here in new Zealand 37S outdoor would they start to flower at the same time as the panama maybe ?

cheers for your replys

Welcome ghost grower,

Here at 37N Zamaldelica finishes perfectly, she has been finished without problems even in northern latitudes and colder climates (43N), it would also depend on your concrete climate but i dont think you will have any problem to finish her there ... Panama has shorter flowering phenos, but the average finishing time for both strains are similar, depending on the concrete pheno too of course.

 

[CharlesUFarley]

Just checked the site this morning and saw that regular Zamal. was out of stock.Will this be re-stocked anytime soon?Planning on doing another Zamaldelica run this summer with a larger selction (20-30 seeds) along side my 20 Golden Tigers.Thanks for making these great Sativa's available for all of us.

 

[dubi]

Hi Charles,

Zamaldelica standard is out of stock right now, we have the very last 4 packs of the original F1 outcross (please pm or email me if you are interested) and we are about to harvest a bit of fresh stock from new selections.

I don't think we will offer again the hybrid like the original outcross, i prefer to work and inbred the line with the very selected Zamaldelica standard parental plants we have found in the past 2 years.

 

[jaded1]

A pic before she got chopped at almost 17 weeks.

And bad pic of her sister before going into a jar