BurntBacon
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Hermie S1 of a ZamKC, this one had intersex issues, but just in last week, 78 days flowering here. Like the mom, smells like mangoes and cheese.
Zamaldelica x Kali China feminized
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It came out really nice despite showed some hermie tendencies like her mum @BurntBacon hope she could be harvested without giving much trouble to other plants.
Billowin'smoke
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Many thanks indeed to ACE seeds for producing a plant that has been very nice for me to grow, as someone returning to herb gardening after over a decade away from this noble pursuit. 
I've been growing out a single fem ZxKC seed in coco, using Beanstalk controlled release fertiliser granules, using a single 15l pot Autopot setup from just before flipping to 12/12. She went into 12/12 6 weeks after the sprout was transplanted into Root Riot cube; she'd been moved up from a 0.6l pot to a 3.5l one, during which time she was handwatered, before finding her final home in the 15l pot a few days before the flip.
She's in a little 2x2x4 tent. She vegged under a 6K 100w led, and flowered under a 150w Viparspectra XS1500 Pro lamp. A lot of aspects of the grow - coco, autopots, leds, ... - were new to me, but the plant has been very vigorous and straightforward to raise - didn't miss a beat after a couple of toppings, or after a couple of times that I managed to snap growing stems...She stretched for a bit longer than I'd hoped, but my ambitions were maybe a bit unrealistic there, and only one bud site managed to grow up into the light while I was away for a couple of days - some supercropping was required for that one, but again she was completely unperturbed by it all.
She's currently at 66 days into 12/12. I'm thinking that she may be ready to chop on Sunday, which would take her to 71 days (any earlier than that would be tricky as I'm away at the end of the week), but my gut is telling me that a few days longer would do no harm. (I'm sorting a wine-cooler-conversion-to-post-harvest-box, so I might be able to do her in stages, if that works out.) Any comments on harvest timing from those who know the ways of ZxKC will be gratefully received! Here she is - I'll be sad to see her go, but none of us last forever.
I've been growing out a single fem ZxKC seed in coco, using Beanstalk controlled release fertiliser granules, using a single 15l pot Autopot setup from just before flipping to 12/12. She went into 12/12 6 weeks after the sprout was transplanted into Root Riot cube; she'd been moved up from a 0.6l pot to a 3.5l one, during which time she was handwatered, before finding her final home in the 15l pot a few days before the flip.
She's in a little 2x2x4 tent. She vegged under a 6K 100w led, and flowered under a 150w Viparspectra XS1500 Pro lamp. A lot of aspects of the grow - coco, autopots, leds, ... - were new to me, but the plant has been very vigorous and straightforward to raise - didn't miss a beat after a couple of toppings, or after a couple of times that I managed to snap growing stems...She stretched for a bit longer than I'd hoped, but my ambitions were maybe a bit unrealistic there, and only one bud site managed to grow up into the light while I was away for a couple of days - some supercropping was required for that one, but again she was completely unperturbed by it all.
She's currently at 66 days into 12/12. I'm thinking that she may be ready to chop on Sunday, which would take her to 71 days (any earlier than that would be tricky as I'm away at the end of the week), but my gut is telling me that a few days longer would do no harm. (I'm sorting a wine-cooler-conversion-to-post-harvest-box, so I might be able to do her in stages, if that works out.) Any comments on harvest timing from those who know the ways of ZxKC will be gratefully received! Here she is - I'll be sad to see her go, but none of us last forever.
BurntBacon
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77-84 days in my environment, scope the heads to be sure, I prefer mostly milky. She looks nice!Many thanks indeed to ACE seeds for producing a plant that has been very nice for me to grow, as someone returning to herb gardening after over a decade away from this noble pursuit.
I've been growing out a single fem ZxKC seed in coco, using Beanstalk controlled release fertiliser granules, using a single 15l pot Autopot setup from just before flipping to 12/12. She went into 12/12 6 weeks after the sprout was transplanted into Root Riot cube; she'd been moved up from a 0.6l pot to a 3.5l one, during which time she was handwatered, before finding her final home in the 15l pot a few days before the flip.
She's in a little 2x2x4 tent. She vegged under a 6K 100w led, and flowered under a 150w Viparspectra XS1500 Pro lamp. A lot of aspects of the grow - coco, autopots, leds, ... - were new to me, but the plant has been very vigorous and straightforward to raise - didn't miss a beat after a couple of toppings, or after a couple of times that I managed to snap growing stems...She stretched for a bit longer than I'd hoped, but my ambitions were maybe a bit unrealistic there, and only one bud site managed to grow up into the light while I was away for a couple of days - some supercropping was required for that one, but again she was completely unperturbed by it all.
She's currently at 66 days into 12/12. I'm thinking that she may be ready to chop on Sunday, which would take her to 71 days (any earlier than that would be tricky as I'm away at the end of the week), but my gut is telling me that a few days longer would do no harm. (I'm sorting a wine-cooler-conversion-to-post-harvest-box, so I might be able to do her in stages, if that works out.) Any comments on harvest timing from those who know the ways of ZxKC will be gratefully received! Here she is - I'll be sad to see her go, but none of us last forever.
Billowin'smoke
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Thank you - your own ZxKC above looks fetching too, even if they did some hermie-ing! Trich inspections are now daily...
Welcome @Billowin'smoke and thanks for choosing Zamaldelica x Kali China for your current grow, and for sharing your experience and outcome with us Looking very good and finishing, at least pistil-reflowerings wise, if she is in peak of strong terpene intensity then could be already a good moment for harvest. If you like trichs more ripen then wait a bit more.
Looking very good and finishing, at least pistil-reflowerings wise, if she is in peak of strong terpene intensity then could be already a good moment for harvest. If you like trichs more ripen then wait a bit more.Billowin'smoke
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Many thanks to you @dubi for the great genetics and for the guidance on her readiness for harvest: the choice of ZxKC is one that I'm very glad that I made The time has now clearly come to make some serious choices, gulp! I shall ponder the situation and make a more definitive plan, now that the critical period has been reached - I think that she's coming down by Sunday at the latest, though.
The time has now clearly come to make some serious choices, gulp! I shall ponder the situation and make a more definitive plan, now that the critical period has been reached - I think that she's coming down by Sunday at the latest, though. 
wisemadman
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update after the first test smoke, this pheno gives a pretty strong high which is neither indica nor sativa, it literally makes your ears whistle , i like the flavour a lot, tastes mangoish with tangerine aftertase , i'm happy with the results. I will probably try it again sometime in the future
Happy to hear you are pleased with her smoke and effects @wisemadman
spacetraveller
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Hi everyone,
This is my Zameldelica x Kalichina femme, grown under 11-13 light cycle.
She was pollinated by Golden Tiger reg male.
She has been through extreme weather with heat waves and very high humidity, with one 3 day period of 40 c temps. Remarkable tolerance and resistance to the conditions, she performed extremely well and carried on her flowering. smell and resin production are fantastic.
Peace
This is my Zameldelica x Kalichina femme, grown under 11-13 light cycle.
She was pollinated by Golden Tiger reg male.
She has been through extreme weather with heat waves and very high humidity, with one 3 day period of 40 c temps. Remarkable tolerance and resistance to the conditions, she performed extremely well and carried on her flowering. smell and resin production are fantastic.
Peace
Thanks for sharing pics and comments on your girl @spacetraveller She really stacked up calyxes in a very Thai fashion way. There's no need to flower this fast hybrid under 11/13 since would affect final yield, and early pollination also has an impact on reflowerings and overall flower development.
She really stacked up calyxes in a very Thai fashion way. There's no need to flower this fast hybrid under 11/13 since would affect final yield, and early pollination also has an impact on reflowerings and overall flower development.
Check out my journal doing 8/16 and finishing last two weeks on 7/17 andThanks for sharing pics and comments on your girl @spacetraveller
being vegged 4 weeks under 12/12. Can't say I've lost much in terms of yields with two weeks faster turnover. 69 days from flip in the pictures:
I think most commercial operations are steering away from 12/12 for better efficiency and faster turnover. You can easily run 3 cycles in 24 hours instead of two.
There's always a positive to negative return but saying 11/13 will noticable affect yield is plain false IMO. Maybe on certain specific cultivars but then again there's not enough data and available research to say either or? To me Sativa dominant strains grow better with shorter hours with better flower to leaf ratio and faster turnover.
Cheers!
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wisemadman
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less DLI=less energy which means you're going to have reduced cannabinoid contents and/or reduced yield
Total mass and cannbinoid content yes, that is a given. DLI can be still be within what considered "optimal "depending on the light intensity given to the plant.
But you also have Cannbinoid ratios, turnover rate, degradation rate, terpenoid content and preferred Cannabinoid range and felt effect to take in to consideration?
All the above will alter for the better or worse depending on the set goals. But I also know there's noway near enough material work to have a full understanding on what the optimals are for growing every single Cannabis cultivar?
Studies and research with Cannabis is still very new compared to other flowering and producing crops but it's interesting to see Cannabis being the only producing crop that's being grown under 18/6 and 12/12?
The Endo Cannabinoid System was only first described by science in the mid 90's, that fact tells you how comparable little research has been done on Cannabis.
Cheers!
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wisemadman
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yeah it will probably have an impact on those too, and you're right, the plant could also express different genes if triggered that way. I guess the only way to know it would be doing a side by side with 2 clones and test the resulting flower
spacetraveller
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Hi Dubi,Thanks for sharing pics and comments on your girl @spacetraveller
Thanks for the advice mate. Next grow will be a whole room of Zxkc cuttings, where I will try 12/12 in a seedless grow.
spacetraveller
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Thanks for your input Rexel.
I am very interested in exploring photo periods. One line of sativa dom hybrids I grow are at least 2 weeks faster under 11/13 compared to 12/12 without any noticeable drop in quantity or quality. Seeing results like yours under 8/16 is amazing and encouraging to try something different.
Be good to see some science done on this!
I'm surprised over the results too. The numbers I've kept on how much she's been eating is very similar to how she performed and responded under 12/12.
I would guess she's about 15% lower in feeding requirements and yield loss is probably about the same? I expected more loss than that!
I've seen positive morphological changes in terms of flower to leaf ratio. I think it all depends on the genetic potential how long they're able to fully photosynthesize and transpire?
That means results may vary heavily and some strains for sure still benefit to be grown under 12/12!
I am however never going back to 18/6 in veg since I only see positive structural changes growing under 12/12 with traditional gas lantern. They're growing more wide and stout with more flower sites as a result.
Old Fogey
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I agree. I'm not sure how reducing a plant's energy intake can speed up its metabolism.
Peace
There's a big difference between metabolism and turnover rate? I don't think anyone ever mentioned increased metabolism? What a plant is able to synthesize at any given time can only be decided by the plants own response and genetic potential.
Turnover rate, yield and flower to leaf ratio are all affected. I can't tell you what it does in terms of Cannabinoid, terpenoid content and degradation rate but it's a great tool that's being used by most commercial operations that want to stay in business.
Cheers!
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