YOUR WORST/DISAPOINTED/OVERATED STRAIN(S)

[PermaBuzz]

I ran some sensi jack herer and mr. nice just a couple years ago.
was just getting going again and I thought for sure it would be a safe bet.

I guess that's why I don't like to gamble.

the jack herers were no where near as good as they used to be, I went through two packs and did not find anything I was pleased with.

the mr nice was only one pack, 8/10 were females.
out of 8 females, I did not find a plant worth keeping.

those were two of the most expensive seeds on the market,
I really didn't expect such poor results from them.

what was even more surprising, was the way sensi handled it when I asked about it.
I was showing what was going on at sensi forum, and they banned me.
other than genetics, the only thing they could complain about my grow was that the temperature was getting up to 85 with co2 at 2000ppm.
good weed does not turn to garbage even if it was 100 degrees.
as long as they are not getting burnt by the light.

last year I showed up in Amsterdam and went to the sensi store with my receipts and explained my experience,
and they did nothing to try and make it right.
so they lost a customer for life, I will never buy from sensi again.

too many people willing to share great stuff for free, there is no place in this world for companies who do not stand behind their products and do everything to make their customers happy.

I kinda just went thru a similar experience as you Jack. I just posted at the mns site about not finding much besides a smell from my 4 packs of MNS beans ( nev haze and nev haze mango). I wouldnt be suprised if they banned me there though I havent asked for replacements - maybe I should.

I wouldnt call nevs haze my worst strain ( jack the ripper gets that honor) but it wasnt anything special either 5-6/10 potencywise. It does leave a nice aftersmell but its nothing close intensitywise to the over the top lemon/fuel/funk smells that linger on the palate often found with the cali og strains.
I'm increasingly feeling that haze is generally overrated or just hard to find a good one perhaps. I was talking to a growshop owner who told me about another customer of his that refuses to run anything haze.
I wanna turn a new leaf and get started with something like chemdawg and shove the hazes into the fluoro closet for a good longt while.

 

[Homebrewer]

I kinda just went thru a similar experience as you Jack. I just posted at the mns site about not finding much besides a smell from my 4 packs of MNS beans ( nev haze and nev haze mango). I wouldnt be suprised if they banned me there though I havent asked for replacements - maybe I should.

I wouldnt call nevs haze my worst strain ( jack the ripper gets that honor) but it wasnt anything special either 5-6/10 potencywise. It does leave a nice aftersmell but its nothing close intensitywise to the over the top lemon/fuel/funk smells that linger on the palate often found with the cali og strains.
I'm increasingly feeling that haze is generally overrated or just hard to find a good one perhaps. I was talking to a growshop owner who told me about another customer of his that refuses to run anything haze.
I wanna turn a new leaf and get started with something like chemdawg and shove the hazes into the fluoro closet for a good longt while.

You can't compare those Chem/OG strains to a true 'haze' or anything in that near pure sativa genre; it's apples-to-oranges. It takes skill to properly grow a 15+ week variety and when it's done well, nothing stacks up to that blistering cerebral intensity, nothing.

To that point, if the genetics aren't there, it doesn't matter how well it's grown.

 

[King Rat]

the most disapointed strain i had was Tora Bora from RP
maybe it just wasnt my taste, but for me it was somewhat disgusting, the way it grew was also not made for me.
After that comes Nebula from Paradise Seeds

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

all the crosses with ssh tryed in the last years...

CSG's - SSSDH is really good. Its the only SSH hybrid Ive ever liked.
OJD just came out with SSH x SSSDH as well that looks awesome.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

You can't compare those Chem/OG strains to a true 'haze' or anything in that near pure sativa genre; it's apples-to-oranges. It takes skill to properly grow a 15+ week variety and when it's done well, nothing stacks up to that blistering cerebral intensity, nothing.
To that point, if the genetics aren't there, it doesn't matter how well it's grown.

True.
I smoked a Lambs Bread that sent me home for the day. I lost bodily functions, puking with severe magnet head. 0 cieling.
Too much for me to handle. 3 or 4 hits off a roach...SEE YAAAA!
I got a bunch of beans from an old head, who got them from an old head who got them from a guy who got the genetics dating back to Bob Marleys family. Circa "1960".
I have the F4's. I just popped 4 of them looking for a female.
20 +/- weeks flower time. This will either be that soaring sativa high w/ no cieling I remember from 25 years ago...or a complete bust.
I germ'ed 3 beans before, and got 3 males. Yes, they are the real deal. Im excited to get that crazy, soaring, head slamming, pure sativa high with 0 cieling again. Kinda scary.
Like going on a huge scary rollercoaster for the first time...
he-he-he.

 

[elkie]

I grew out shanti's la nina and spice....both were horrible...zero potency, sparse bud sites....as usual it could be the grower, but I wouldn't take the seeds if you gave them to me...elk..

 

[dfa]

cookies

 

[aridbud]

I grew a shiskaberry cross a few months ago that I got cheap. They smell and taste like dirty socks, but the look and high is decent. I just cant bring myself to smoke it again.

Ugh! Hate that!! There's someone on another thread looking for priests Xmas incense type smoke (no joke!)...maybe that's it....shiskaberry x!!!

I don't like the kush that smells or tastes like cat piss. Nasty!! But maybe that was because my friend, a grower, had 5 cats in the house to camouflage the smell. Go figure.

 

[indabonga]

CSG's - SSSDH is really good. Its the only SSH hybrid Ive ever liked.
OJD just came out with SSH x SSSDH as well that looks awesome.

i've done 2 packs of reg csg sssdh: fluffy buds, incense smell with ligth diesel aftersmell...weak high...same response with afgan hz of the gage's cross...much better the g13hz of martian green by dna or soma.imo.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

i've done 2 packs of reg csg sssdh: fluffy buds, incense smell with ligth diesel aftersmell...weak high...same response with afgan hz of the gage's cross...much better the g13hz of martian green by dna or soma.imo.

I didnt get that at all. After growing two packs myself, I got lemonaid-pine tastes and smells with huge sticky buds. Though they are not dense like an indica, obviously, the sativa genetics from the Haze string together tons of braided fox-tails that arent too fluffy. I got pretty big, thick, dense buds.
Potent high. Everything Ive grown from CSG has been superior.

 

[Mr Roboto]

Besides a few fake cuts that were pretty disappointing the one strain that sticks out to me as a "not so great strain" was the M.O.B blueberry bx which smelled like straight blueberries but the taste didnt carry ilike the smell. taste was very hashy instead and was low yielding

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Iother than genetics, the only thing they could complain about my grow was that the temperature was getting up to 85 with co2 at 2000ppm.
good weed does not turn to garbage even if it was 100 degrees.
as long as they are not getting burnt by the light.

too many people willing to share great stuff for free, there is no place in this world for companies who do not stand behind their products and do everything to make their customers happy

A plant needs higher temps when running Co2. So your right about that. High heat when using Co2 doesnt turn your genetics into crap. Its neccesary.

I am very impressed with OJD of Connoissuer Genetics.
Fantastic strains. Extremely generous and speedy customer service. In fact...OJD gives away more beans than he probably sells. Im a fan and a customer for life.
Lots of pheno variation too, which I like. I love to pheno hunt with F1's.

 

[justnuts]

I think exodus cheese is overated! The come down is too heavy and the high is euphoric but not crisp!

 

[The Hatter]

This thread has been a very interesting read. I think a decent portion of the complaints on here are due to people growing a strain that doesn't suit their tastes or in a few cases people not knowing how to properly grow a given strain. For instance, you get people who have tried to grow out hazes who only like sedating indicas and vice versa. I won't even touch most indica leaning Kush hybrids which are the top shelf choices of just about every indica lover anywhere. To me most indica is just very pretty looking trash weed that is all hangover, yet the hazes and pure IBL sativas that I absolutely love would be a huge disappointment to most of those same Kush lovers. They would take one look at those stringy, airy buds that took 16 weeks to grow and they would throw the cut in the trash.

One of the biggest problems we get with a lot of our modern poly hybrid strains is that often they are in reality just fortuitous crosses between a proven elite clone which is itself a poly hybrid and some lucky male with some nice traits and a similarly muddy gene pool.

The problem with this is that this is not really a true f1 in the sense that it is not the product of two stable lines being crossed and thus you end up with a crazy grab bag of phenotypes in the seeds produced. The "breeder" then finds one pheno out of that grab bag that really kicked ass and they use that plant as the archetype for describing the new strain they have made. Unfortunately they usually don't bother to do anymore work with it beyond this point to stabilize the line towards the desirable phenotype it can produce. The problem is that the pheno they are describing on the package isn't going to look much like all the other crazy phenos the cross produces so you end up with maybe one plant out of an entire pack that actually fits the description that you bought the seeds for.

This is one of the reasons you can get two equally skilled growers buying two packs of seeds from the same breeder and even from the same batch of seeds and both come back with radically different stories. One guy lucks out and gets multiple plants that fit the godly phenotype that was advertised and the other guy just gets shafted by his luck and doesn't find even a single one of the good phenos. One guy comes back to thread like this and happily tells the true story of the 3 three keeper worthy plants he just got out of a single pack and the other comes back rightfully pissed claiming that the strain is complete crap and that he got nothing but males and garbage that looked nothing like the plant he bought the seeds for.

I think one of the true tests of a good strain and a good breeder for that matter is the consistency of the genetics. There will always be some variation but a good strain is one where the line has been refined and back crossed enough that the killer pheno they are describing on the package is common enough that it will show up in just about every pack they sell and the lesser phenos are still decent. The breeder should weed out the deal breaker phenos like hermies or mutant runts before releasing their strain to the public or at the very least they should warn people that its not stable when they sell it.

For a big commercial growers its an annoyance to have to grow out 30 seeds to find the one killer pheno, but for small medical growers who are limited to a couple of plants at a time it goes from being an annoyance to an impossibility. If you are small medical grower I highly recommend you consider either cuts or go for strains and breeders with a reputation for consistency or you may find yourself here on this thread writing up your story of a strain that didn't live up to the hype.

 

[BadRabbit]

Hatter; much of you say is right on the money. But the other reality is that it's usually/mostly the ones who found that great pheno from the pack and who go online with all the photos and praises of how great it is; giving the impression that everybody will find one of those great phenos in their pack. The one's who don't find crap usually don't post at all . .. they think it was just bad luck, they don't want to speak ill of the breeder, or they're afraid of being accused of being lousy growers.

That's why I think this is one of the very best threads on this entire forum .... it's the confessional for the huge percentage of growers out there who don't find the keepers. They're experience is just as, if not more, relevant than that big successes we all like to read about.

To stay on topic .... I just ran BOG Bogglegum and Sour Boggle and had little or no luck with either. Loved my sour bubble, these just didn't produce.

cheers

 

[The Hatter]

Hatter; much of you say is right on the money. But the other reality is that it's usually/mostly the ones who found that great pheno from the pack and who go online with all the photos and praises of how great it is; giving the impression that everybody will find one of those great phenos in their pack. The one's who don't find crap usually don't post at all . .. they think it was just bad luck, they don't want to speak ill of the breeder, or they're afraid of being accused of being lousy growers.

That's why I think this is one of the very best threads on this entire forum .... it's the confessional for the huge percentage of growers out there who don't find the keepers. They're experience is just as, if not more, relevant than that big successes we all like to read about.

To stay on topic .... I just ran BOG Bogglegum and Sour Boggle and had little or no luck with either. Loved my sour bubble, these just didn't produce.

cheers

Oh, don't get me wrong I think this is a very worthwhile thread. I just wanted to point out some of the reasons there seem to be such disparate opinions on various strains. The thread is particularly valuable when you start seeing patterns in the posts. If I see more than a single bad report on a strain by experienced growers then its definitely a red flag. Even a single detailed report by a reputed grower who has popped a lot of seeds of the strain they are complaining about is reason enough for me to maybe rethink picking up a pack.

It definitely pays to research the breeders before you invest in what are usually some very expensive seeds.

 

[Useful Idiot]

I've always wanted to be an archeologist ...here is my chance...LOL...any new info in 2015??

 

[psyphish]

Everything I've tried from Dutch Passion has been a disappointment. Granted they were all autoflowering strains, but they were still worse than any other auto I've tried.

Basic schwaggy dutch buds. Leafy mutants, weak seedlings, seeds that don't germinate.. they got it all.

Here's an Auto Blueberry. Started off as a freak and still flowering like a freak, bud structure is all over the place.

 

[Ruskointhehouse]

This thread has been a very interesting read. I think a decent portion of the complaints on here are due to people growing a strain that doesn't suit their tastes or in a few cases people not knowing how to properly grow a given strain. For instance, you get people who have tried to grow out hazes who only like sedating indicas and vice versa. I won't even touch most indica leaning Kush hybrids which are the top shelf choices of just about every indica lover anywhere. To me most indica is just very pretty looking trash weed that is all hangover, yet the hazes and pure IBL sativas that I absolutely love would be a huge disappointment to most of those same Kush lovers. They would take one look at those stringy, airy buds that took 16 weeks to grow and they would throw the cut in the trash.

One of the biggest problems we get with a lot of our modern poly hybrid strains is that often they are in reality just fortuitous crosses between a proven elite clone which is itself a poly hybrid and some lucky male with some nice traits and a similarly muddy gene pool.

The problem with this is that this is not really a true f1 in the sense that it is not the product of two stable lines being crossed and thus you end up with a crazy grab bag of phenotypes in the seeds produced. The "breeder" then finds one pheno out of that grab bag that really kicked ass and they use that plant as the archetype for describing the new strain they have made. Unfortunately they usually don't bother to do anymore work with it beyond this point to stabilize the line towards the desirable phenotype it can produce. The problem is that the pheno they are describing on the package isn't going to look much like all the other crazy phenos the cross produces so you end up with maybe one plant out of an entire pack that actually fits the description that you bought the seeds for.

This is one of the reasons you can get two equally skilled growers buying two packs of seeds from the same breeder and even from the same batch of seeds and both come back with radically different stories. One guy lucks out and gets multiple plants that fit the godly phenotype that was advertised and the other guy just gets shafted by his luck and doesn't find even a single one of the good phenos. One guy comes back to thread like this and happily tells the true story of the 3 three keeper worthy plants he just got out of a single pack and the other comes back rightfully pissed claiming that the strain is complete crap and that he got nothing but males and garbage that looked nothing like the plant he bought the seeds for.

I think one of the true tests of a good strain and a good breeder for that matter is the consistency of the genetics. There will always be some variation but a good strain is one where the line has been refined and back crossed enough that the killer pheno they are describing on the package is common enough that it will show up in just about every pack they sell and the lesser phenos are still decent. The breeder should weed out the deal breaker phenos like hermies or mutant runts before releasing their strain to the public or at the very least they should warn people that its not stable when they sell it.

For a big commercial growers its an annoyance to have to grow out 30 seeds to find the one killer pheno, but for small medical growers who are limited to a couple of plants at a time it goes from being an annoyance to an impossibility. If you are small medical grower I highly recommend you consider either cuts or go for strains and breeders with a reputation for consistency or you may find yourself here on this thread writing up your story of a strain that didn't live up to the hype.

I'm just curious, what are some of you favorite strains?

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Violater kush. It tasted like egg yolks