YOUR WORST/DISAPOINTED/OVERATED STRAIN(S)

[astra007]

smoke-one: as far as i know the answer is yes. this is a crossback of purple sativa to the godbud. the grape has grapeFRUIT in it and was crossed into the creation of the hybrid grape god.

the blueberry was made into an indica to supply the market 80% indica x 20% sativa. commercial croppers did not want the tall blueberry sativa, they wanted a shorter version thus dj gave them what was in demand. i have the true blue which is the trade name of the blueberry sativa. hard to find but its out there.

any1 who says they have the pure trainwreck is full of it. it was "selfed" but lost some of the vigor of the "clone only" strain.
it should really be named trainwreck2 akin to the sweettooth #3.

the god in godbud refers to OLD GOD HAWAIIAN - just a side note

 

[astra007]

GHS made a grave mistake when they tried to create FEMS of their stock and introduced the hermie trait into most. they then sold the mutated stock as regular seed. if you grow GHS, you still have a chance of getting a hermie or a mule. a mule is canadian for a non flowering plant. with time this hopefully will disappear but in the meantime; only god knows what you will get and do NOT try to breed the strains; i know from doing it.

dutch passion made the same error when they first mass produced and created the first FEMS. but they had back up stock and dumped the GHS type stock into the fire.

 

[Jeeyah]

Sensi Super Skunk

 

[astra007]

both REEFERMAN and CHIMERA dont have SEED BANKS. kind of blows your chart to hell

 

[Mrgreenharvest]

what does a chart prove? marketing will get you such things, and GHS market better than any one, also they are cheap, same goes for nirvarna, you need to remember majority of people buying seeds dont know the good breeders, they go for strain names and price..look what ghs sell..
trainwreck, bubba kush, chemdog etc etc, all the hyped up strains at a lower cost than any one else, your average joe looks at chemdog from rez exactly the same as chemdog from ghs, the strain name is all to majority, not the breeder, and ghs sell these rip offs at a low cost...and to add to that, they are FEMALE ONLY seeds..which ofcourse appeals to majority over regular seeds...

now many other breeders sell female only seeds but alot also warn of hermy possibilities, does ghs do this? i've never seen it..

im trying to keep this from being a breeder bashing thread, but people need to realize what impact marketing has on people..only a small amount of people who buy seeds take the time to get educated...for the rest its all about marketing

 

[revcold]

i see ppl complain about genetics and have to laugh because genetics are rude sometimes...for example i germinated a pack of aurora indica from nirvana ..one female was complete crap ...wouldnt flower correctly and never formed buds .. just small tiny leaf buds with massive sugary leaves around em..didnt even really resemble a cannabis plant ...stayed perfectly green the whole time...the other plant however was extremely potent and yielded rediculously ..im talkin almost 4 oz on a 2 main cola dominant train session with a finished height of 32 inches... 8 week flower time ..it was so indica dominant that no matter how much u smoked of it..it was a day wrecker...2-3 hits in the morning or early afternoon and u were headed straight back to bed for a couple hours...only reason i didnt keep it was because of how non constructive the high was and the bud looked like midgreen and was ugly ..but it kicked like a mule regardless..it basically turned u into every stereotype a stoner could be..basically a drooling mindless retard...i couldnt imagine how killer it woulda been if i woulda took it to 9 weeks ....one pack of seeds may hold the holy grail and one may be garbage in the same batch of seeds..its a numbers game..im oldschool and fully believe u have to have grown 10 females at the bare minimium of a strain to even form an opinion on it ...i see too many ppl growing a couple seeds of a strain and then when they get crap they complain and rant and rave when its really their problem..u cant expect a gold medal from a bronze performance....the only 2 companies ive seen that have severe problems with their stock are sensi and dj short...both dont even do their own seed production anymore and thats probably why...greenhouse gets a bad rep but my experiences with em have been nothin but good ..they seem to have alot of genetic variation but thats not always a bad thing...thats where u find the rediculously potent holy grails ppl dream about...from a pain in the butt grow search...what cracks me up the most is when ppl start from seed on 12/12 and complain that it didnt yield properly and wasnt potent...all the strains i grow get a minium of 9 weeks veg to insure the plants mature b4 flowering

 

[Mrgreenharvest]

i guess you get what you pay for, this is why i wont bag out ghs as much as i personally would like to, their seeds may be great value for some..

but to say greenhouse are leading genetics based on over hyped marketing..nah not going to have that..

and you're right rev, but it also depends, you're more likely to find say less variation in S1s vs F2s, you're more likely to find stable plants in true breeding strains vs non true breeding strains, it all differs and that's another reason its such a fun hobby.

 

[astra007]

i have bought as an experiment; cali orange from 9 different seedbanks in several different areas of the WORLD. ireland, austria, holland 2, usa, canada, scotland, australia, and south africa.

4 were the real thing and 5 were knockoffs with 3 having no genetic histories. i have cali orange from 20 years ago and 4 matched it.

1 had no traits at all; thus making money on the name only. lots of scammers out there. i dont trust any bank that has NO home address or a way to contact them. cash only is suspect and research of genetic lines get some of the spammers. never believe a "doctored" photograph.

so you can get a great strain and at the same time get a crappy one of the same name.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Here's a photo of the beginning stages of a church plant starting to hermie. I don't have any more photos of the actual bananas because the camera was borrowed at that point but the plant was definitely a lady-boy. I thought I made it clear, some of the plants from some strains hermied and some plants just didn't even flower. I don't know why you're so intent on trying to catch me out. The beans were bad, I don't know why that's so hard to accept when if you just type in a search of Greenhouse seeds and hermie into Googlel you'll see there are so many complaints it goes beyond just a competitor saboteur. I've had the experience myself so I know it to be real and not some unsubstantiated claim.

The fact of the matter is Scot Blakey took all the best seminal strains with him.

I'll ask you this, why would GHS need to buy cannabis cups? You do know that it's public knowledge that he was disqualified from the High Times Cannabis Cup one year for buying votes?

The thing is there's probably no point in arguing with people like you because it doesn't matter what I say.

As Pinecone so kindly showed, so well, GHS are far bigger, sell far more seeds, are going to get more reports...

I do not believe you actually know the people involved in this. Why on earth would Arjan let Shanti "take all the senimal strains" ? Amazing how a man you obviously believe is so stupid could end up building up such a business. Beyond amazing really... almost, like untrue ?

He gets caught up in his lies, my friend runs one of his Nev Haze cuts he assures the gullable here in Spain "GHS paid £14k for, they were so desperate for it"... whilst telling others he is a man of such high integrity, but that he ripped off his business partner when they split and took all the P1's.

Again read up about the cups, GHS has won 2 or 3 420 cups with SLH, a BLIND TASTING event, run by this forum, SLH kept on winning as it was fantastic, no argument from anybody who was there, myself included.

 

[pinecone]

what does a chart prove?

both REEFERMAN and CHIMERA dont have SEED BANKS. kind of blows your chart to hell

Are you guys trying to argue with me? I’m not trying to make any points with the chart. As I mentioned it may be of limited value. The chart is simply a discussion piece.

Reeferman Seeds sold seeds from their own site and though outside vendors during the a portion of duration of this thread. Chimera currently sells seeds through Seed Boutique and many other vendors.

Re GHS: I’ve only grown their non-fem SSH and it was as advertized for me: excellent smoke. Most that have gown the fem Super Lemon Haze are very satisfied. By their own admission they have had problems with Alaska Ice (not flowering) and Church (germination).

Re Fem Seeds and Hermies: I have never grown with feminized seeds, but I have had lots plants grown from non-feminized strains throw of sterile nanners later in flower. My understanding is that back in the day when a breeder wanted to produce feminized seeds they would muck around with the photoperiod and/or let the plants go an extra long time in hopes they would self pollinate. In using these methods they were basically selecting plants that would partially reverse sex under stress. Now when breeders want to produce fem seeds they use chemicals to stress the plant. In theory the latter approach should lead to plants that are far less likely to partially reverse sex under the type of stressors plants are subjected to in a typically flowering room.

Pine

 

[groady-ho]

i try no to complain about seeds since i try to find something good in all the strains i've grown..but i have to agree with peeps who dislike gh..not that i had bad results but the el nino had the same trouble as many have stated..never flowered..that being said the others in the cc mix pk. were decent..either way that 1 cc mix pk. was enough gh for me..that being said slh is 1 i will try down the road..way down the road..

 

[Cola Candy]

As Pinecone so kindly showed, so well, GHS are far bigger, sell far more seeds, are going to get more reports...

I do not believe you actually know the people involved in this. Why on earth would Arjan let Shanti "take all the senimal strains" ? Amazing how a man you obviously believe is so stupid could end up building up such a business. Beyond amazing really... almost, like untrue ?

He gets caught up in his lies, my friend runs one of his Nev Haze cuts he assures the gullable here in Spain "GHS paid £14k for, they were so desperate for it"... whilst telling others he is a man of such high integrity, but that he ripped off his business partner when they split and took all the P1's.

Again read up about the cups, GHS has won 2 or 3 420 cups with SLH, a BLIND TASTING event, run by this forum, SLH kept on winning as it was fantastic, no argument from anybody who was there, myself included.

It's common knowledge the shanti left to mr nice and took all the strains with him. If you don't know that you're hopeless.

Cannabis Cups are bought so that newbies like you will buy their strains, pure and simple. Anyway, I don't need anyone telling me which strains to grow thank you very much. Most of the best strains aren't even entered into these cups anyway.

Once again, Arjan writes an open letter telling lies and you lap it up. Everyone knows the real truth about Shanti leaving with all the strains. Arjan is not a breeder and never has been. He runs coffee shops well but that's about it.

As for Super Lemon Haze, have no not read anything I've been saying? I made it clear that it's a good strain. I even said I bought it myself! Rediculous!

 

[Homebrewer]

As Pinecone so kindly showed, so well, GHS are far bigger, sell far more seeds, are going to get more reports...

I do not believe you actually know the people involved in this. Why on earth would Arjan let Shanti "take all the senimal strains" ? Amazing how a man you obviously believe is so stupid could end up building up such a business. Beyond amazing really... almost, like untrue ?

He gets caught up in his lies, my friend runs one of his Nev Haze cuts he assures the gullable here in Spain "GHS paid £14k for, they were so desperate for it"... whilst telling others he is a man of such high integrity, but that he ripped off his business partner when they split and took all the P1's.

Again read up about the cups, GHS has won 2 or 3 420 cups with SLH, a BLIND TASTING event, run by this forum, SLH kept on winning as it was fantastic, no argument from anybody who was there, myself included.

There is a GHS vs Mr Nice grow going on right now, maybe only a few weeks into veg? You might want to follow along before making your mind up.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=223890

 

[SuperConductor]

Greenhouse seeds are fucking scam artists though. That said they've got one good strain, super lemon haze, although I'm not sure if it's still as good as it used to be. I hope it is because I just got a few SLH freebies and don't want them to waste space.

lol Meme building in action! SLH only came out a couple years ago and already we're getting "I'm not sure if it's still as good as it used to be" from someone who hasn't grown it yet. Awesome!

 

[SuperConductor]

you're more likely to find stable plants in true breeding strains vs non true breeding strains,

People would be better off growing true f1s if they want stability and vigor. They're easier to find.

 

[420somewhere]

Worst Buy - bad beans

Worst Buy - bad beans

Hi Folks,

I usually grow from clones, but I decided to add some new genetics to my grow.

I go to the local club where they have a sign saying FEMINIZED SEEDS $50. They indicated 99.9% Female.

Well I got 5 White Widow and 5 Sour Kush

Popped 10 out of 10 - I'm thinkin I'm off to the races. I have them growing in 3 gallon pots under 400 watt MH. Man they are looking good, getting really big.

Then I go to flip them under 600 watt HPS and I wait and wait.

Then I realize they are MALES - so I start taking the males outside.

I got 2 females out of the bunch, so I will clone them.

The WORST part is the 2 months I lost. I am finally recovering as I still had my Pre-98 Bubba mother.

 

[Cola Candy]

lol Meme building in action! SLH only came out a couple years ago and already we're getting "I'm not sure if it's still as good as it used to be" from someone who hasn't grown it yet. Awesome!

For the third time, I never said it's not as good as it used to be. I said I 'hope' it's still as good as it used to be, because I'll be growing it soon. You should read peoples' comments more carefully before commenting.

And I've smoked it enough times to know what it's like - hence why I want to grow it.

 

[SuperConductor]

For the third time, I never said it's not as good as it used to be. I said I 'hope' it's still as good as it used to be, because I'll be growing it soon. You should read peoples' comments more carefully before commenting.

And I've smoked it enough times to know what it's like - hence why I want to grow it.

For the first time i never said you said it's not as good as it used to be. You should read people's posts before commenting on them, especially when the bit you're getting pissy about is a direct quote from yourself.

I was just making an observation about the way memes start and take on lives of their own in online communities. If you don't know what that means it's not my fault is it?

 

[krest]

Most disappointing = Chronic and a G13xKush cross from a private breeder. The g13xkush beans were free so I can't complain too much but I had such high hopes.

SLH is awesome BTW.

 

[Cola Candy]

For the first time i never said you said it's not as good as it used to be. You should read people's posts before commenting on them, especially when the bit you're getting pissy about is a direct quote from yourself.

I was just making an observation about the way memes start and take on lives of their own in online communities. If you don't know what that means it's not my fault is it?

Then why did you say that? Of course I haven't grown it, I made that clear, so what's the big deal?

I'm trying to have a discussion about their strains and I don't see why you have to bleat on about memes.