YOUR WORST/DISAPOINTED/OVERATED STRAIN(S)

[greenhit]

hmm

hmm

people say the genes change when you reveg but at least IMHO that rarely is the case. I've never noticed much difference. but if you have the option cloning prior to flower is always best.

quote from Motaco. on page 11 I believe.

any more input on this from anyone ?

I've noticed the bud structures have changed on me, slightly
from the original seed then revegg then clone of it bud looked diff
especially on 1 ak48 I grew, plus one amnesia haze. Could
of been I changed something in my flower room ?.

-green

 

[Guest]

quote from Motaco. on page 11 I believe.

any more input on this from anyone ?

I've noticed the bud structures have changed on me, slightly
from the original seed then revegg then clone of it bud looked diff
especially on 1 ak48 I grew, plus one amnesia haze. Could
of been I changed something in my flower room ?.

-green

if ya dont run your seed plants from clone ya really dont know what ya have. imo, you get a much better representation of the plant from clone or veg for 4 to 6 months.

i see lots of plants flowerin, and they arent even mature, still have straight up branchin, plants branches havent even started alternatin.(do this myself) you cant expect the best from the plant, that aint even mature.

CBF

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

if ya dont run your seed plants from clone ya really dont know what ya have. imo, you get a much better representation of the plant from clone or veg for 4 to 6 months.

i see lots of plants flowerin, and they arent even mature, still have straight up branchin, plants branches havent even started alternatin.(do this myself) you cant expect the best from the plant, that aint even mature.

CBF

Excellent point... You can't get everything a plant is capable of, without giving it everything it needs... including the time...

 

[Guest]

do you guys think we got a chance that the hype 'n expensive breeders read us and give us their best genetics to prove we're wrong ?

 

[natefrog]

.I'l definitely get several mums in them.

That says it all right there.......................n


ps.........i hope your right.........i honestly do.

 

[Guest]

do you guys think we got a chance that the hype 'n expensive breeders read us and give us their best genetics to prove we're wrong ?

nope

CBF

 

[Guest]

yay !

 

[natefrog]

i would like to extend my generous offer of testing, for free, any Breeder's genetics that retail for over $150.00.

PS....first come, first serve!......and space is limited!

 

[Guest]

haha, what nate said! : )

 

[Guest]

LOLOL,you guys. I just love this site. So many kewl people hanging around and offering their input. You just got to love the people here at IC.
Take care,
BG

 

[greenhit]

In my opinion only, I tried the AK48 Nirvana and didn't like it at all,
the AK47 from serious was fantastic, though I didn't keep a mom
cause it stunk too much when hanging/drying. TH seeds "chocolate
chunk" and mr nice "spice" were the shit big buds and awesome looking
plants but no punch, Could those plants got more potent if cloned
and obiously more mature.

in a nutshell
Could a plant that is so so potent wise get more potent when cloned
and flowered ? Cause most people I think don't bother reveggin a plant
if they think it not potent enough for their liking.

-green

 

[Guest]

No idea.what counts is that the plant should be mature.I've tried flowering three weeks old plants, they just were weak.take the same a couple months later and they do great.

I grow my seeds bonsai style and wait for the preflowers to show

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

.......Any grower that decides to breed for seeds and not just make weed is usually doing it for the love of the plant and not just to make money from it......to make sure that something REAL good is going to be around for a while......and as is known I support many of these breeders by patronising them and offering what they produce for sale at a price that they are happy with......

A breeder is doing us all a favour in many respects, not least in that by making seeds they are preserving hopefully the best traits of the plants that they are using in their breeding programs and by making seeds this enables many to grow something special that would not otherwise be available to thousands of growers out there.....

...Keep in mind that even a complete newbie grower can buy his/her first pack of seeds whether it be for $15 or $150 and produce at least a couple of Oz's from it at worst.......at best a grower could buy a pack of seeds.....get approx 5 decent females from that pack and produce anywhere from 2 ounces to one pound of decent erb' from each plant........and then still be able to clone the best of them and produce many lb's of erb' over many years.....you do the math....and the actual price of the pack of seeds to grow all that weed seems miniscule in comparison.....whether it be $15 or $150 a pack...

....So if you asked me if seeds are expensive I would say no........I would say that good weed is expensive though if you have to buy it and do not grow it........

....What I strive for in being a distributor is quality in what I put out there.......Seeds from whatever breeder should grow out to represent the descriptions and photo's that I have been furnished with and advertise from the breeders, otherwise this reflects badly upon myself and the breeder and neither of us want that.....


......Where many breeders come un-stuck is not following thru with good and proper breeding practices to produce stable lines......this leads to growers buying seeds that do not grow out to the breeders descriptions and so creates a situation where the 'breeder' is accused of just being a 'pollen chucker' that is not necessarily working a seedline to be stable and representative of the described strain/variety.....but is just hyping up his/her offerings to gain more sales at the expense of the growers that buy them......

....In my many years in this business I have seen the best and the worst type of breeders produce seeds.....the proof is always in the growing and in the satisfaction of the end grower who will tell other growers of their experiences with a particular strain/variety.....and this ineivitably is reflected in how well a particular breeders seeds sell and for what price....

 

[Guest]

hahahaha here here here lil' hype breeders.this thread should lead to an anti expensive breeders coalition, web wise


edited : yay gipsy ! I've placed my order this morning.both nirvana and gipsy nirvana are the ones who make growing good stuff affordable to me .

I agree with you,but the fact is some of these breeders sell an image , not actually good genetics.No need to name any, you know better than most of us do.I've been paying much for some so called revolutionnary strain that never ever produced more than a couple internode flowers.
Nirvana and your boutique are the true revolutionnary stuff imo.

 

[ScorpiokinG]

Hey everybody,

I just thought id put my opinion on this thread because i think it is just as helpfull as a "best strain" thread. The most important thing to me about a strain that i purchase is Germ ratio. Im by no means a rich man, so when i do spend my hard earned money on someones quality genes, i expect to germ atleast 80% or higher so i have a few plants to choose a keeper from.

When i first started growing i purchased some nirvana seeds ( cheap, and i wanted to make sure i wouldnt get ripped off from mail order). I got close to 100% germ rates from those seeds and they were decent smokes.

After a while, I upgraded my gene pool to some sensi and dj short varieties. At first i was not happy at all. The sensi seeds (afghani#1, Mr.nice, Hashplant) had absolutely horrible germ rates. I actually ended up with 1 hashplant (male). The mr nice and afghanis ended up with 2 of each both, all females. The dj short was his og blueberry and i ended up with 4 of 10 with 2 females.

HOWEVER, All of the the females from that bunch were show stoppers. Many a people who tried them said it was the best smoke they have ever tried. I really cant be upset with the end result from that order. If anything im bummed i didnt clone any of them ,although i did make some seeds.

Next up i got some sourdeez ibl, and strawberrydeez. Im gonna try my first attempt at cloning these, so ill have them for years to come. Im sure ill have no problems finding a killer pheno of each.

*also i know ill get some haters saying to change my germ procedure but i assure you ive grown plenty this way and usually get my 80-90% ratio. I think the sensi seeds were old stock. The Dj seeds had a decent germ ratio but a few just didnt grow. they just turned hard and died. Peace

 

[Guest]

i agree with gypsy there- no matter what u paid for them beans- u surely get your money back and get to smoke some herb that you personally grew-which in turn saves you money. VArierty for some is a spice of life. And i for one appreciate the offerings from G-h3ad etc...for bringing us unique crosses and a choice. Wouldn't it be lame if all seeds were the same genetics and same price-hypotheticaly.
Also i agree with the maturity factor. ALSO plants grown under a 1000w is a whole lot better than a 600 or 400- do some research on uv-b spectrum and trichome production.
Even a master grower at a nursery or a farmer will tell ya that 90% of the time it is poor gardening practices. Again- if you do not have the plant dialed in(know it well)
ur results may vary.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

.....Good point ScorpionkinG.....GERMINATION RATIOS....

......When you go to a supermarket and buy a food product it will most often have a sell-by date upon it....this is not the case with cannabis seeds.....Hardly any breeders will state when the seeds they are selling have been made so it is possible that some lines could have low germination ratios due to them being older seeds......

Cannabis seeds generally if stored correctly should have an 80%-100% germination ratio if they are under 4 years old when stored properly (8-10 celcius in a dry container).......and the germ-ratios will drop off after that time slowly but surely....

There are many other factors to consider also other than when the seeds were made and how they were stored.......the first one that comes to mind is the transportation of the seeds to the end user.....Say some good, fresh seeds are sent by post and then are exposed to extermes of heat or cold during transportation, this can effect how many might eventually germinate once in the growers hands......Also there are many types of germination methods used by a multitude of growers out there some being more sucessfull than others......this too will effect the sucess rates.....

.....as a vendor I am not usually told by the breeders when a particular batch of seeds has been made and whether or not they have been properly dried and cured before sale......all I can do is a simple germination test myself in the hope of being able to represent the seeds as being good in my hands......but that could all change once they have travelled half-way around the world thru what-ever conditions to reach the end grower......

 

[shasta]

I'm a big fan of the marketplace, let the consumer rule. What's broken in our market (US) is the legal complication...many thanks to pro breeders willing to continue this trade. Meanwhile this forum allows seed consumers to cut through all marketing mumbo.

On topic...worst(rom x bb, many mutants) and best (avalon, crazy narcotic)from Next Gen. Shasta

 

[Guest]

well one thing for sure: we growers who cant afford the hype strains wish we could.

I think that's PRETTY obvious

 

[natefrog]

you make many points i hadnt thought of Gypsy.........i need to take a second and thank you for providing this wonderful place.........it seems sometimes all we do is complain about it.........i tend to think that is just the community slowly but surely evolving and finding itself.........i cannot tell you or thank you enough for what this place has done for my knowledge and proficiency with this plant we all love so much........not to mention the research ability thanks to an absolutely invaluable, treasure trove of information (that i've used almost daily, for years)........what would we do without it?...........i came here a year or 2 before the others shut down and have never regretted it.......sorry for going on and on,.........just a personal thing i needed to say i guess............i know, i know.....try a pm, dipshit.....lol....nate