Yields in 3 gallon smarties

[MountainBudz]

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[Robrites]

I have seen soil/coco pull back from the sides so all/most of the water just goes through. if they are light, definitely hit the center.

 

[MountainBudz]

I have seen soil/coco pull back from the sides so all/most of the water just goes through. if they are light, definitely hit the center.

I try not to let them get so dry that the leaves droop but I do let them dry out to where there is a very small amount of just moisture/coolness a few inches down into the promix and perlite. My mix drains extremely well....

Maybe I need to no let it run off so much as well or start feeding with a half gallon of h20 instead of a full gal.

Aside from the drooping leaves, would only feeding at quarter strength nutrients every watering with that much run off even be (feeding) the plants enough? Or more less leeching/running them through?

According to the sensi bloom a&b label, it calls for 4ml per litwr of water. A gallon of water is actually more than 3 liters, more like 3.78? So is 4ml per GALLON actually even doing much? Like I said, I do water/feed about every 2 or 3 days. Should I increase the feeding a bit on my hybrids and keep the ratio the same on the pure sativas (they are very nute sensitive). Maybe use half strength nutes every other watering instead?

I really just want to get this droop thing out of the way. Oh, and now that i'm thinking about it, upon inspecting the droopy leaves, they are not (limp and lifeless) they are actually quiet firm which i'm assuming directs more towards over watering, yet the soiless mix is almost bone dry when I water.. Wtf.

 

[rykus]

Most soilless mediums use a ph buffer(lime/humus), you will get better consistency through the cycle watering less amount more often, this will make the air/medium/water levels in your medium closer to ideal and in turn you will get a wider range of nutrient availability for longer durations of time. At 25% run off I would be keeping a really sharp eye on ph and ec of run out, and any wilt is an indicator of non recoverable damage that will extend crop time and lower yield and resistance.(except in dark cycle wilt from natural cycle is a good sign)

The 1 oz per gal is the old stand by, and most strains with decent care and space can achieve that, in smaller spaces or with certain strains this could become a lot of work.... Or just do more per 1000w.. I think most plants if healthy will optimize any container size, I put a clone in a 15gal and gave it two weeks,clicked at 12" ended at 52" but yielded slightly less than ones twice the size at click(ended up same height just less flower sites) . Anyways what I'm saying is in a 3 gal I do 7-10 day from clone in a beer cup, then TP, as soon as leaves get big(5-7 days) click... Way healthier and you'll get an extra cut a year, month veg in 3 gal too me equals a shit ton of stripping and catering to a root bound, over extended plant, lots of smaller buds and probably bug issues from longer crops and weaker plants...

Just IMO here though, got lotsa buddies that do pretty good in big scale doing ten a light with 6 weeks veg in 3's,lol. Just their #'s per bulb are still a bit low, and #'s per bulb per year or $ Input is not even close, that's why the g/w/30days is better math!

 

[MountainBudz]

Hey Rykus, my ph is staying stable throughout the grow due to the ph perfect nutes. One feeding actually keeps the ph in check for an entire week, if your like me and don't use ph pens, then it is the way to go and will have to say that my ph must be optimal because I have not had one ph issue or unhealthy leaf since I started using it.

I am beginning to think its the normal wilt that i've researched that A LOT of people get in the last couple hours before lights out. But will investigate further. It was an hour before lights out when I noticed the wilt. If you watch time lapse grows on youtube you will also notice this wilt before the lights go down.

Now with plastic 3 gal containers i'd always pull around 2 to 2 1/2 ounces indoor. This was without keeping ph in check, about the same veg time as current and I can't say that I have noticed smaller or less dense buds. Actually my buds are usually super dense, about the size of a 16 oz plus soda can before the chop. I think key is, yes with longer veg you get more shoots, growth etc that will be shaded out and so many more tops means more smaller buds, but the key to pulling the long solid nugs is pruning up just right before flowering really kicks in. The reason I went a little longer in veg this time around was due to over watering issues that set me back when they were quiet small.... So all in before flip, they were the normal size a month old plant should be if even that. Hoping not to have to worry about them being root bound in smart pots.... I have seen some fuckin trees in small smarties online man, that will blow your mind. Seeing some guys pulling 350+ grams !per! 3 gallon smartie and with autos to beat it all!

I don't know man, as long as I pull over a lb in my 1k watter 4x4 i'll be happy. I have never pulled under, only one time and that was due to broad mites about a year ago. The most i've pulled in my 4x4 was 24 or 26 oz (one of the two, been a while cant remember exactly). And again, thats with no c02, no ph or ec meter and just good ole feminized seeds, mixed strains, promix/ff ocean forest mix....

 

[Vanilla Phoenix]

I use 3 gallon smarties with 4 plants in a 4x4 tent and get around 6 oz per plant. Plants are way happier in the fabric containers than they were in plastics. Only thing I do not like so much, is having to water more frequently.

 

[rykus]

if your plants are wilting at the end of cycle it is because roots are not storing enough energy to maintain optimal growth for full light cycle.

I would recommend either removing excess growth from the top, growth shoots take the most energy so removing dominant tops pushes energy back down to roots and upsets hormone balances that reset the plant.

the other option if topping is not ideal for your space is to watch them and turn the light out manually when leaves drop down to parallel with the soil. roots grow more during lights out I hear, and this eases transition from protecting plant from lights by shutting down, and the usual night/day transition.

cheers

 

[MountainBudz]

if your plants are wilting at the end of cycle it is because roots are not storing enough energy to maintain optimal growth for full light cycle.

I would recommend either removing excess growth from the top, growth shoots take the most energy so removing dominant tops pushes energy back down to roots and upsets hormone balances that reset the plant.

the other option if topping is not ideal for your space is to watch them and turn the light out manually when leaves drop down to parallel with the soil. roots grow more during lights out I hear, and this eases transition from protecting plant from lights by shutting down, and the usual night/day transition.

cheers

Rykus,

I am flowering right now, so topping and messing with the light cycle are unfortunately out of the question.... Any other ideas?

One thing I noticed last night was the root mass in these girls... I can hardy even get the popsicle stick back down into the soil (the plant markers) because the roots are literally a mass... I know more roots equal bigger yields and being in smart pots I know that they will prune the roots but what about such a thick mass like this? I can't even stick my finger down into the soil hardly to check moisture. One hell of a root system on these gal's...

Could the problem be that I don't need to drain to waste and maybe place saucers under the pots and let them drink everything they need up? I water with 1 gal per plant and get about 25 percent run off... I throw the runoff away. But while the droop is present, even with this large ass root mass, the containers are still sort of moist but not wet a few days after watering. Just slightly moist...

 

[MountainBudz]

I use 3 gallon smarties with 4 plants in a 4x4 tent and get around 6 oz per plant. Plants are way happier in the fabric containers than they were in plastics. Only thing I do not like so much, is having to water more frequently.

Nice yields bro! You need to put some or direct me to some pics, would really love to see those man, that is impressive!

 

[MountainBudz]

Btw Rykus, back in veg, before flower, every plant was topped, super cropped and LST'd already. I have still continued training into flower and all undergrowth and such is gone that I know for sure wont yield. They are "semi" lolipopped.

 

[rykus]

ah right, in flower, never thought of that, you could still do a shorter light cycle, but yeah i'd just run em out and hope for the best. sounds good if they have lots of roots!