Yeps-(946 True Watt)CFL-25 Plant-Dj Short-Grape Krush,SSH, SourD+SCROG+Seed grow

[yeps420]

I'm curious, is it me or is all of your weed hermie'd? Am I incorrect?

I think you are trying too hard and should maybe go to the KISS method of growing? You are asking basic questions about growing but are mixing crazy nute mixtures and such. Your plants are clearly stressed and are struggling You could scale this grow back just slightly and probably increase your yield 10x.

Sup bro.. naw I don't think hermie. From what I read some strains show a little male right before they are ready for cut.. GK2 is getting cut tonight.

My nuits are a little crazy yet seems to be doing good to me on SSH/SD. FAT bugs.
stress is heat I believe.


Yet I could be wrong .. 1st grow... thanks for ya thoughts ...peace...

 

[yeps420]

yep.. why not use HID/HPS for my grow.?.

yep.. why not use HID/HPS for my grow.?.

Why not hid/hps.. Cause its to easy to follow the recipe of others.. everyone said I could not get good nugs with cfl yet no one seems to give cfl a serious try at flowering. So. Thought why not.. look at my sours and SSH

They are 100%cfl grown .. if u read about cfl you can't get yields like that with cfl. Yet there they are..lol.

Remember this is my 1st real try at growing and I can't believe people think cfl can't flower.

Cfl has Pros and cons just like most lights. Yet it seems to me cfl have a place and I can't find any proof they can't do just as good as other lights. So I am going to find out for myself.
maybe put some Proof on here that they can in fact grow something ...
Even for a first time grower.. (imagine if I knew what I am doing).. the yeald would be sick...
Then maybe someone who been growing longer will exspand upon my input. Then who knows... yep that's why... yep food for thought...

 

[krunchbubble]

Nobody said cfl's dont work for flowering, they work, just not well....

im just amazed at the time and effort that went into your cfl grows and while they did produce some flowering plants, they just look OK....

I would be VERY CURIOUS at your grows with better lighting and a better understanding of nutrient and medium....

Im sure you will KILL IT, when you have the right equipment and knowledge....

Think we have a great gardener here! read and learn, and put all that effort into better grows....

 

[yeps420]

Nobody said cfl's dont work for flowering, they work, just not well....

im just amazed at the time and effort that went into your cfl grows and while they did produce some flowering plants, they just look OK....

I would be VERY CURIOUS at your grows with better lighting and a better understanding of nutrient and medium....

Im sure you will KILL IT, when you have the right equipment and knowledge....

Think we have a great gardener here! read and learn, and put all that effort into better grows....

So true bro... I'm just a learning here and I didn't do this for yeild. I did it for knowledge .. my goal in the beginning being 1oz per plant. Try different tecks. And understand soil and nuits. Call it my foundation. So far I know I need to know more...lol... thanks for the thoughts and encouragement. Latz.

 

[señorsloth]

cfl's are so inefficient for MOST growing situations!...sure they are popular...because anybody can buy them for pretty cheep...but because of all those twists and turns a lot of the light gets reflected toward the center of the bulbs, they build up a lot of heat in larger numbers, and this effect is magnified by higher wattage's...the bigger the cfl the higher the heat/light output ratio becomes...not to mention that for all that heat you still have very little penetration...the best cfl's can only really penetrate 8-10 inches into a dense canopy. i would be willing to bet you would have a cooler flowering room with a 1000w hps! by the way you can get them off amazon for like $200 bucks...

there is a reason nobody has ever really completed a large scale cfl grow on this site that yeilded what they were predicting...they end up with heat issues, fluffy buds, hermies, and low yeilds...the saddest part is that buying a thousand watts worth of cfl's costs about the same(24 42wbulbs X $9 each=$216 and 1008w) as an equivalent hps light. there is really only a few uses for cfl's in growing...that is low wattage grows, where space and heat is an issue like computer box grows and Rubbermaids...another use is to hang them below the canopy for additional spot lighting...any type of hood though wrecks the efficiency as it causes even more light to be reflected right back at the bulb. i say those are good uses for cfl's because in those situations the only other alternative are costly led ufo's. but in my opinion there is no situation where an led bulb wouldn't outperform a cfl in those few times where they can be used...so really the cfl is never a "best option", it never ever is!

for larger florescent grows you are much better off buying a bank light of t5's, because the bulbs don't twist around, and because of the high quality reflectors in these lights, they put out the most usable light while wasting much less of it than cfl's...what does this mean? much more even light coverage, and less watts needed to cover the same space because of the high efficiency...also watt for watt, t5 bank lights are much MUCH cooler in temps! you get the same yeilds and penetration with less heat and less electricity...plus they come in all sizes, it's a much better option than cfl's...

we need to start a campaign on this site so that people start to realize this, a HUGE portion of people think cfl's are actually a good light source, some even think it's the best light source for growing!!! this is a travesty, and ten years ago when they first became popular they were a nice thing, because it opened up the micro growing arena to tens of thousands of kids living in their parents basements...but then people started to think if 84w of cfl in a computer will give me 20 grams of pot...well 840w of cfl will give me 2 pounds! and it's simply not true...the amount of heat that you build up(you'd be growing more heat than weed!), plus the increased ventilation needed to control that heat...and low penetration of these lights mean your mostly just building an expensive space heater and not a pot grower...

 

[TripleDraw27]

OP, I envy the stage you are in dude. When its about tinkering, basic knowledge, understanding as you go and finally, keeping it just plain fun. Your cfl stuff, great starter point for someone who isn't worried about more complex issues, like yields, nutes, exhausting efficiently, etc. Its like someones first beater car, cheap, does what you want, but in time one will always upgrade. Keep er up

 

[yeps420]

cfl's are so inefficient for MOST growing situations!...sure they are popular...because anybody can buy them for pretty cheep...but because of all those twists and turns a lot of the light gets reflected toward the center of the bulbs, they build up a lot of heat in larger numbers, and this effect is magnified by higher wattage's...the bigger the cfl the higher the heat/light output ratio becomes...not to mention that for all that heat you still have very little penetration...the best cfl's can only really penetrate 8-10 inches into a dense canopy. i would be willing to bet you would have a cooler flowering room with a 1000w hps! by the way you can get them off amazon for like $200 bucks...

there is a reason nobody has ever really completed a large scale cfl grow on this site that yeilded what they were predicting...they end up with heat issues, fluffy buds, hermies, and low yeilds...the saddest part is that buying a thousand watts worth of cfl's costs about the same(24 42wbulbs X $9 each=$216 and 1008w) as an equivalent hps light. there is really only a few uses for cfl's in growing...that is low wattage grows, where space and heat is an issue like computer box grows and Rubbermaids...another use is to hang them below the canopy for additional spot lighting...any type of hood though wrecks the efficiency as it causes even more light to be reflected right back at the bulb. i say those are good uses for cfl's because in those situations the only other alternative are costly led ufo's. but in my opinion there is no situation where an led bulb wouldn't outperform a cfl in those few times where they can be used...so really the cfl is never a "best option", it never ever is!

for larger florescent grows you are much better off buying a bank light of t5's, because the bulbs don't twist around, and because of the high quality reflectors in these lights, they put out the most usable light while wasting much less of it than cfl's...what does this mean? much more even light coverage, and less watts needed to cover the same space because of the high efficiency...also watt for watt, t5 bank lights are much MUCH cooler in temps! you get the same yeilds and penetration with less heat and less electricity...plus they come in all sizes, it's a much better option than cfl's...

we need to start a campaign on this site so that people start to realize this, a HUGE portion of people think cfl's are actually a good light source, some even think it's the best light source for growing!!! this is a travesty, and ten years ago when they first became popular they were a nice thing, because it opened up the micro growing arena to tens of thousands of kids living in their parents basements...but then people started to think if 84w of cfl in a computer will give me 20 grams of pot...well 840w of cfl will give me 2 pounds! and it's simply not true...the amount of heat that you build up(you'd be growing more heat than weed!), plus the increased ventilation needed to control that heat...and low penetration of these lights mean your mostly just building an expensive space heater and not a pot grower...

Sup bro... Great food for thought. Thanks for sharing, that just what I am looking for this this journal.
I may not always agree with everyone yet will always agree to listen. ( as long as your not a dick about it that is)
That said here is what Im thinking.

Yep.. That's what they say...

Lets see what I think, shall we...


but because of all those twists and turns a lot of the light gets reflected toward the center of the bulbs, they build up a lot of heat in larger numbers, and this effect is magnified by higher wattage's...the bigger the cfl the higher the heat/light output ratio becomes...not to mention that for all that heat you still have very little penetration...the best cfl's can only really penetrate 8-10 inches into a dense canopy. i would be willing to bet you would have a cooler flowering room with a 1000w hps! by the way you can get them off amazon for like $200 bucks...

Heat- I have found that, tho you loose a few lumen's the bigger the cfl. The heat increase is not significant.
There for.. If you use a couple 65w and a few 26w bulbs with just a little air flow you can keep the lights
within 3 inch's and closer without burn. With simple trimming I am not finding penetration to be a issue. ( Not much popcorn growing.) Due I think to the 2- 26w bulbs that are on the bottom of the plant.

Could you run a 400w-600w let alone a 1000w hps in a closet without AC ?

How many grows are HPS bulbs good for. I believe you lose peek performance within the 2nd grow and replace bulb within 3rd if not, each grow. Not that I am pretending to know for fact here... Just what I have read. That and one of the reasons I went with clf is I had to replace my HPS bulb 2 weeks into its 2nd grow.

I expect these cfls are good for 3-5 grows due to long life and peek stays for over 50% of cfl's life.
Again I have not done 5 grows with cfl's so only what I have read.

Cost: True that they cost up front a little. Yet- add no AC, low electricity and long life. Seems a good investment.
( Tho I got really lucky and found 2 packs 26w for 59 cents a pack and bought 12 packs... Score one for YEP.
The 65w are at HD for $17. which I ponied up.)

there is really only a few uses for cfl's in growing...that is low wattage grows, where space and heat is an issue like computer box grows and Rubbermaids...another use is to hang them below the canopy for additional spot lighting...any type of hood though wrecks the efficiency as it causes even more light to be reflected right back at the bulb. i say those are good uses for cfl's because in those situations the only other alternative are costly led ufo's. but in my opinion there is no situation where an led bulb wouldn't outperform a cfl in those few times where they can be used...so really the cfl is never a "best option", it never ever is!

Sounds good on paper. Yet..
I find Hoods are what its all about with cfl's. Contain and direct your light and you will see a difference compared to just hanging in the open. Seems to me the light can reflect to the center of the bulb all it wants.
If you have a good hood on one side of the bulb it will end up where you want it.

Cut a coke can in half and tap it to a 26 w cfl and test the lumens... 1,2,4 inch's away. do the same without the hood, you'll see what i mean...

You want your cfls straight up or down and you do get tons more light off the side of bulbs than the center.
So I am finding the round spot light hoods not to be very good unless they have a great inside surface.
Make your own to suit your needs and change hood as they grow. Since you can make hoods from anything.
Bowls, cans,boxes,just a power strip and so on. It don't have ta cost nothen but time.

I don't know. Are Hoods and cases easy to build from anything for a 1000w hps?. Maybe say a cardboard box or a can ?. I don't know...

for larger florescent grows you are much better off buying a bank light of t5's, because the bulbs don't twist around, and because of the high quality reflectors in these lights, they put out the most usable light while wasting much less of it than cfl's...what does this mean? much more even light coverage, and less watts needed to cover the same space because of the high efficiency...also watt for watt, t5 bank lights are much MUCH cooler in temps! you get the same yeilds and penetration with less heat and less electricity...plus they come in all sizes, it's a much better option than cfl's


Humm... Don't you need like 4 - 4' long t5's in a larger kind of flat fixture to due good size plants ?
If I need to do a side grow due to male that I want to seed can I break 2 off and set up a new grow or would I need another fixture i might not be able to build myself.

just saying...

Less heat... Not by much from what I read.. Yes.. less... but not a lot...

we need to start a campaign on this site so that people start to realize this, a HUGE portion of people think cfl's are actually a good light source, some even think it's the best light source for growing!!! this is a travesty, and ten years ago when they first became popular they were a nice thing, because it opened up the micro growing arena to tens of thousands of kids living in their parents basements...but then people started to think if 84w of cfl in a computer will give me 20 grams of pot...well 840w of cfl will give me 2 pounds! and it's simply not true...the amount of heat that you build up(you'd be growing more heat than weed!), plus the increased ventilation needed to control that heat...and low penetration of these lights mean your mostly just building an expensive space heater and not a pot grower.

I agree in a way. I think a campaign to extend the hands on knowledge and create and expand upon what has already been done with cfl's is in order. If some of these great growers who seem so against cfl's for real grows could
figure out a few tricks to help those of us that don't want to use AC and want the flexibility and low cost that come alone
with using cfl yet still want dank buds I think y'all might change the world yet again.
Say maybe figure out a nutrient regimen that works better under 2700K-6500k only..
say maybe a few contest for best yield,most plants, Dankest frost and such.. Just thinking here...

so I guess I don't really agree beyond the c ampaign idea... ops..

Peace-love-joy & weed be upon you my friend... Thanks for letting me share...

Remeber I am just learning here...
always agree to listen.

Oh one last thing..

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=36540&pictureid=867240

SourD 3-6-12 to 4-7-12 206 true watt CFL...

Im just saying... Peace bro...

 

[yeps420]

OP, I envy the stage you are in dude. When its about tinkering, basic knowledge, understanding as you go and finally, keeping it just plain fun. Your cfl stuff, great starter point for someone who isn't worried about more complex issues, like yields, nutes, exhausting efficiently, etc. Its like someones first beater car, cheap, does what you want, but in time one will always upgrade. Keep er up

Yep.. Spot on and Thankz...

 

[yeps420]

SourD 4-7-12

SourD 4-7-12

SourD 4-7-12

 

[yeps420]

SourD close ups 4-7-12

SourD close ups 4-7-12

SourD close ups 4-7-12

 

[yeps420]

Grape Krush 2 getting cut tonight.. in the dark 2nd night.. might cut some sours & SSH as well... heavy lean on SD..

 

[youngtrader9689]

that is one of the best cfls ive seen

 

[yeps420]

that is one of the best cfls ive seen

Thanks bro... Loven every minute of it...

Yep,Puff,puff,pass...

 

[yeps420]

SSH 1 4-7-12

SSH 1 4-7-12

SSH 1 4-7-12


Tho she looks stressed.
She recovered from stress a couple weeks ago(mites and my own oil spray for mites) I dont think I lost much growth and I am going to cut her fat nugs tonight then let her bottom Nugs go another week before cutting down.
I want to see if she stalls due to cutting main colas or just keeps pumping them out..

Her claw is due to the fact I make her go bone dry between watering.

Call me stoked... Yep... stoked...

 

[yeps420]

SSH 1 close ups 4-7-12

SSH 1 close ups 4-7-12

SSH 1 close ups 4-7-12

more red spec=more weight, more blue spec=more trichs, so using more blue spec can yield less but more potent.


I think, I will use my 2 SSH training ladys to test this.

I will seperate them and use more red on the smaller SSH and more blue on the bigger SSH.

 

[yeps420]

Grape Krush 2 Cut 4-9-12

Grape Krush 2 Cut 4-9-12

Grape Krush 2 Cut 4-9-12

 

[yeps420]

SourD Top Cut 4-9-12

SourD Top Cut 4-9-12

SourD Top Cut 4-9-12

I only cut the 5 top leaners and will cut
the rest in around 7 days im thinking...

 

[yeps420]

--------- PeAcE --------

 

[yeps420]

DIY 4' Scrubber fan next level 4-10-12

 

[yeps420]

SourD Top Cut 4-9-12

I only cut the 5 top leaners and will cut
the rest in around 7 days im thinking...

As soon as I started trimming her(SourD) I spotted them. Seeds. 4-11-12
I guess it makes sense.
This phenom came from a seed I found in some SourD I picked up on the cheap.

So here I am with what ? A Hermie right..
Yeah for me... not...lol

Your thoughts are welcome. feel free to share...

Ok, so now what ?

When I cut colas I was thinking they where a little more filled in than they are.
( Running a little low on Meds, so I needed to cut some for when I run out)

I have been chewing on what I should do now..

I only had a few minutes to look last night, so I am waiting for tonight and will do
a close look at all Lady's to see whats going on down low...

The Grape Krush 2 cut, shows no signs of seed.
A quick look at all Lady's and I don't see any sign of seed. ( Yet,I know, I don't really know.)

The SourD is showing a few seeds & they look well formed.
( Not a ton of seeds just one here, one there. )

I would like to let the SourD finish (seems maybe 7-10 days would be good)

The SSH looks better everyday and I'm guessing 10-14 days to finish.
Worried the SourD & SSH are right next to each other and touching.

So I wonder why no seeds on SSH if they are so well developed on SD ?

Could the SourD grow a few seeds and not Hermie the whole Room ?

My SCROG is just starting to flower and tho, on the other side of room I have finally
got really good air flow and they would pick up pollen really easy.

I would not care so much if the SSH showed a few seeds at this late stage and am glad to get more SourD seed
even though this is not the best phenom, I would want. It was still good smoke.

Could use some thoughts here from those that have care to share.

Not the end of the world and what ever happens to my grow.
I have already got some killer pictures and smokable nugs
The things I have been able to discover and see for myself and learn about first hand
have already payed me back for the time and $ I have put in so im still chillen here.

I am leaning towards just letting things continue the way they are and go with the flow.
Final Cut the SourD in around 7-10 days.

Hoping only that the whole room wont go to seed.

I would however be really bummed If my Scrog and training Lady's went male.
That would really suck...

So I am willing to just cut the SourD down tonight if need be.

Hummm things to ponder here... what to do ?