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WTF?should 13yr old be smokin pot w/ prnts

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
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nothing ironic in the least, I post lots of good information, and usually offer my original thoughts concerning said information.

Learning something someone else found out first isn't a bad thing, but original thought based on misinformation or lack of information is worse than useless.

What's fun is hitting the find more posts by button next to your name... do you have anything (c&p or otherwise) to contribute?
 
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So, like all you haters of sharing marijuana (drugs) with your children...

...what about handing a glass of champagne on thanksgiving or christmas to the little ones?

That's what I was thinking. For all the "Safe at home" crowd how would you feel about letting your kids take MDMA (ecstasy) in your home? What about LSD? Pharmacologically LSD is just as safe as cannabis. If you disagree with this please cite a source instead of "My smart friend says it makes your brain bleed". What I'm asking though is where do you draw the line on that? Cocaine? Heroin?

Another argument I think is interesting is the "Why would I want them to think it's wrong?" I don't think it has to be so black and white. There is a time and place for things. It's not wrong to drive a car but we still have our children wait. It's not wrong to have sex but I would want my kids to wait.
 

headband 707

Plant whisperer
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That's what I was thinking. For all the "Safe at home" crowd how would you feel about letting your kids take MDMA (ecstasy) in your home? What about LSD? Pharmacologically LSD is just as safe as cannabis. If you disagree with this please cite a source instead of "My smart friend says it makes your brain bleed". What I'm asking though is where do you draw the line on that? Cocaine? Heroin?

Another argument I think is interesting is the "Why would I want them to think it's wrong?" I don't think it has to be so black and white. There is a time and place for things. It's not wrong to drive a car but we still have our children wait. It's not wrong to have sex but I would want my kids to wait.

Certainly that is not the question here these kids are going to do this with or without you... I certainly did .....so did ALL my friends as far as sex thats another one you really think your kids are going to listen? Did you? lol.. As far as having the kid at home well I don't know where would you rather they did it on the streets where they are going to do it anyways? lol..When I was a kid I didn't want to do drugs at my mom's place anyways lol..Atleast if I did I could go to her ,which is far more important then all this bullshit about where when or how....Perhaps when you were 13 you were not a very mature 13 year old and thats all good but not all 13 year olds are the same..peace out Headband707:tiphat:
 
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Certainly that is not the question here these kids are going to do this with or without you... I certainly did .....so did ALL my friends as far as sex thats another one you really think your kids are going to listen? Did you?
I didn't have sex till I was 23 and married. This isn't because of what my parents did or didn't teach me though, it was my own decision.

lol.. As far as having the kid at home well I don't know where would you rather they did it on the streets where they are going to do it anyways? lol..When I was a kid I didn't want to do drugs at my mom's place anyways lol..Atleast if I did I could go to her ,which is far more important then all this bullshit about where when or how....Perhaps when you were 13 you were not a very mature 13 year old and thats all good but not all 13 year olds are the same..peace out Headband707:tiphat:

I would rather have them face the decision of having to do it in the streets or not doing it at all. Hopefully they will be smart and choose not to do it at all. You say that you didn't want to do drugs at your mom's place but do you think this would've been the same if she had handed you a bowl and said "Here you go son"?

When I raise my kids I will try and convey a message of "WAIT" rather than "NO".

I don't think that "they're going to do it anyway" is an accurate assumption. Many, many people in my life never experimented with drugs or other risky activities.
 

kmk420kali

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When I raise my kids I will try and convey a message of "WAIT" rather than "NO".

I agree with that-- I am doing that very thing right now--
But if things should so happen to go different...(read below)

I don't think that "they're going to do it anyway" is an accurate assumption. Many, many people in my life never experimented with drugs or other risky activities.

You are right...many won't!!
But many will-- And, in many of those cases...the kid will do what he/she is going to do, no matter what--
Those are the ones we are talking about--
I cannot fathom disciplining my kid time after time...knowing they aren't going to change...without making the decision to take the risk of smoking with them, and keeping their trust and closeness...versus distancing them from me...and losing the bond between us--
All I can say is....Thank god this is my last kid!! lol
 

headband 707

Plant whisperer
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I didn't have sex till I was 23 and married. This isn't because of what my parents did or didn't teach me though, it was my own decision.



I would rather have them face the decision of having to do it in the streets or not doing it at all. Hopefully they will be smart and choose not to do it at all. You say that you didn't want to do drugs at your mom's place but do you think this would've been the same if she had handed you a bowl and said "Here you go son"?

When I raise my kids I will try and convey a message of "WAIT" rather than "NO".

I don't think that "they're going to do it anyway" is an accurate assumption. Many, many people in my life never experimented with drugs or other risky activities.

LOL you actually sound like a kid I would never hang out with lol .. As you would have been the first kid I knew that listened to his/her parents and did exactly what they told you to do? How is that workin out for ya?? LOL:comfort: .. I love my mom but there is a generation gap and sorry I'm not living in my mom's generation ..but hey some kids do and thats all good too lol..:tiphat:
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
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That's what I was thinking. For all the "Safe at home" crowd how would you feel about letting your kids take MDMA (ecstasy) in your home? What about LSD? Pharmacologically LSD is just as safe as cannabis. If you disagree with this please cite a source instead of "My smart friend says it makes your brain bleed". What I'm asking though is where do you draw the line on that? Cocaine? Heroin?

Another argument I think is interesting is the "Why would I want them to think it's wrong?" I don't think it has to be so black and white. There is a time and place for things. It's not wrong to drive a car but we still have our children wait. It's not wrong to have sex but I would want my kids to wait.

Woah, wait a minute, let me get this straight. You think that it's fine for you to come in here and make an unsubstantiated claim with no source to back you up, but if anyone disagrees with you they have to provide a source for you to consider it?

Good luck with that.

The body has naturally occuring cannabinoid receptors in the brain and marijuana is a natural source of cannabinoids. There are no naturally occuring LSD receptors in the brain and LSD is a man made substance whose closest comparrisson is a fungus found on rye plants. So clearly LSD and marijuana are not alike.
 

150hps

New member
LOL now that funny.. lol
What is funny about what I said? I can't have alcohol around and not drink it. So therefore my house will be a dry house as I do not trust myself to drink around kids and do not see why other people would not be able to respect that.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
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Another argument I think is interesting is the "Why would I want them to think it's wrong?" I don't think it has to be so black and white. There is a time and place for things. It's not wrong to drive a car but we still have our children wait.

I remember being 8 or 9 sitting in dad's lap 'driving' the car (in the country not in town)... He worked the pedals and I steered (with his hands ready to grab the wheel the moment anything looked dangerous)... Of course it would have been utterly ridiculous for me to try and drive 5 miles to the store on my own, but under dad's guidance it was both educational and fun.
 
Here is my take on this and will probably change once I have kids but I will share my current thoughts.

I would rather my hypothetical 13 year old kid did not smoke. In order to make this happen I think the best way to let them make their own decision is to not have the parents smoke or have marijuana present around the kids. I am not in favor of lying to your kids or presenting them with misinformation.

With that said say my child does show interest in smoking at 13 I would currently handle the situation by showing then all of information that I know about the plant and showing them the positives and negatives of what cannabis has to other. I would tell them that I want them to research it and then explain to me why they think them trying it is a good idea. If they go through the effort to show me why its good for them then the discussion will continue. If they are going to do it I would rather them get it in a safe way. I hope I will be able to show them that it is not really what they want to do at 13 but I suppose that really will all depend on whether they respect me enough to value what I tell them at that time. If they don't then I can only show them the safe way to do the activity.

that would be the right thing to do in a perfect world absolutely

research and then make the choice after weighing the benefits

That's what I was thinking. For all the "Safe at home" crowd how would you feel about letting your kids take MDMA (ecstasy) in your home? What about LSD? Pharmacologically LSD is just as safe as cannabis. If you disagree with this please cite a source instead of "My smart friend says it makes your brain bleed". What I'm asking though is where do you draw the line on that? Cocaine? Heroin?

Another argument I think is interesting is the "Why would I want them to think it's wrong?" I don't think it has to be so black and white. There is a time and place for things. It's not wrong to drive a car but we still have our children wait. It's not wrong to have sex but I would want my kids to wait.

Well how do you feel about the -- at a rave while you thought they were at a friends sleep over? The fact is that not telling the truth causes the most harm when it comes to these substances.

Mi Madre explained it like this while I was in my teens.. she and her friends tried LSD and MDMA as well as a variety of uppers and downers and psychedelics through out ages 15-20s. She never glorified her experiences to me. Her stories were not the ones that made me want to try them. In fact her dull descriptions made one wonder why anyone would want to do drugs. It didn't have the same effect on her. She was honest about the negativity she observed from many of her peers using drugs and did not find it a good thing. The same thing that has the potential to show you a heaven can become a hell. For too many of her friends the drugs became the destination because they weren't taught to understand and respect the substances. Most times,The substances aren't integrated enough into our culture to even have a real conversation about them. How can parents be expected to be honest with something they don't understand, shit they are afraid to understand.

Despite parental advice, I've tried all of the substances and just had to learn from first had experience to learn what worked for me.

if my 13 year old came to me determined that a hard drug was something they wanted to do. I would pull them aside and see why they wanted to do such a thing? I would explain to them they should enjoy being the age they are and show them why they'll be glad they waited to make the decision at a wiser age. Kids feel trapped these days, they don't feel anyone knows or tells the truth. so just be honest...
 

headband 707

Plant whisperer
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What is funny about what I said? I can't have alcohol around and not drink it. So therefore my house will be a dry house as I do not trust myself to drink around kids and do not see why other people would not be able to respect that.
Gee bro if you can't see what is funny about what you just said ?????
Your plan sounds great FOR YOU!!!!! Thankfully I don't live by anyone elses rules but mine!! If you have a problem with booze that is your problem and not mine... You can't tell me how to live or when I can do shit... Work on yourself and leave others to do the same.. Seriouly who the fuck do you guys really think you are telling kids what they can and can't do when you yourself have a hard time keeping it together?? SERIOUSLY PPL get a grip.. You can scream all you want but the fact remians kids will do what they do because it's THIER LIFE.. LOL peace out Headband707:wave:
 
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All I can say is....Thank god this is my last kid!! lol
lol word. =D
LOL you actually sound like a kid I would never hang out with lol ..
Nah, I'm sure we might have gotten along fine. I just wasn't willing to mess with my heart. My brain, well that was a different story. ;)

I didn't pass judgement in here, I was just asking a question. It was a genuine question as I am curious.

Woah, wait a minute, let me get this straight. You think that it's fine for you to come in here and make an unsubstantiated claim with no source to back you up, but if anyone disagrees with you they have to provide a source for you to consider it?

Good luck with that.

The body has naturally occuring cannabinoid receptors in the brain and marijuana is a natural source of cannabinoids. There are no naturally occuring LSD receptors in the brain and LSD is a man made substance whose closest comparrisson is a fungus found on rye plants. So clearly LSD and marijuana are not alike.
I'll back it up if you like. Just PM me. Of course LSD isn't endogenous to our brain but there are natural receptors that it binds to. I implied that cannabis and LSD have similar physical safety profiles, not that they are similar in intoxicating nature.

I remember being 8 or 9 sitting in dad's lap 'driving' the car (in the country not in town)... He worked the pedals and I steered (with his hands ready to grab the wheel the moment anything looked dangerous)... Of course it would have been utterly ridiculous for me to try and drive 5 miles to the store on my own, but under dad's guidance it was both educational and fun.
Indeed. But do you think it would've been the same at age 3? Your father waited for a time when it would be educational and fun.
Well how do you feel about the -- at a rave while you thought they were at a friends sleep over?
I would want them to face the choice of either lying to their parents who have done their best to raise them right and shown respect to them or just wait till their old enough. This is the type of crap I pulled and hopefully I will be vigilant in looking out for such behaviors.

if my 13 year old came to me determined that a hard drug was something they wanted to do. I would pull them aside and see why they wanted to do such a thing? I would explain to them they should enjoy being the age they are and show them why they'll be glad they waited to make the decision at a wiser age. Kids feel trapped these days, they don't feel anyone knows or tells the truth. so just be honest...
Thank you, this is the type of response I was looking for. =)

Or even if you said "I would let my kid shoot heroin in front of me" that's also the type of response I'm looking for. I just want to hear the reasoning behind such decisions.
 

partly cloudy

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I'll tell you my parents look at cannabis as devils weed, I started smoking in 5th grade because, I feel experience is the best teacher in life and i didnt beleive the B.S. that was taught to me regarding cannabis..... gives guys boobs, makes you a crazed marijuana induced lunatic, youll turn into a criminal/rapist if you smoke weed,... I could go on and on.
5th grade! cant even remember how old it made me when I started but ever since my first puff and experiencing the effects I knew my parents were full of shit, and you know what that has done to how I view my parents? I dont belive a word they say to me, what they tell me I do/think the exact opposite. this is painful cuz I love my parents, but I had to hide this part of my life from them since 5th grade. It may have been a little early to smoke weed but it has opened my eyes to the B.S. that is spread about this plant from the ones that dont know.

This experience has also taught me that truth with your kids is extremely important, whatever that truth may be. I will not let what happened to me and my parents to happen to me and my kids..... I will not smoke with them until they are educated about cannabis and the stigmas that are out there about it. I will leave it up to them to decide what they want in their life, I'm there for guidance and support.

But I will not lie to my kids about any of this, if they have questions the best thing we can do as parents is answer them truthfully, no matter what our thoughts are we need to be truthful with our kids or they will end up not coming to us for answers to their life questions as they grow. This is what happened to me and my family, I do not go to my parents for advice, and it hurts me to see friends interact with their parents differently than me and my parents. jealousy I guess.

The relationship with my parents has gotten ugly, we can not even be together without arguing, because I feel they are either lying to me, or they tell me stuff that they believe is true when its blatently not. Please try not to let this happen to your family, it is extremely painful to have parents around that you dont trust, it has made our lives terribly difficult. I dont even want to be around them for the holidays because I know it will end up as an argument about nothing.
 
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