WTF is w/feminized genetics,

[englishrick]

this is so funny,,,,,peoples hatered for hermis is like racism,,,dont be afraid of it,,,dont try and kill racizm or hermis,,love everything,,,thats the bigger power

^^^^this is still a wickid quote

not many people understand racism,,,just like not many people underdand the difference between dioecious and hemaphrodite plants,,,,when people dont understand what they see, they tend to fear it,,,,fear promotes rash precautions including "scare-tactics",,,people of political authority manipulate midia to create wide spread panic and hatred to gather public support against the key-points,,,,,,key terms like "W.M.D" and "Hermi" have been used in the past but this is going to stop,,,,whe shuld not let fear motovate the youth of today,,,,let knolage guide them



lol

 

[darwinsbulldog]

hey hempy, cheers for the info, can you please reference it in future so one's able to look it up/download it.

 

[Dalaihempy]

hey hempy, cheers for the info, can you please reference it in future so one's able to look it up/download it.

Yep can do mate here is some more reading for you and any really interested in this topic.

Plant Biologists Discover Gene That Switches On 'Essence Of Male'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090319224538.htm

DNA Replication and Causes of Mutation

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dna-replication-and-causes-of-mutation-409

Development of the male gametophyte

http://www-ijpb.versailles.inra.fr/en/sgap/equipes/dgm/index.htm

 

[darwinsbulldog]

Yep can do mate here is some more reading for you and any really interested in this topic.

Plant Biologists Discover Gene That Switches On 'Essence Of Male'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090319224538.htm

DNA Replication and Causes of Mutation

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dna-replication-and-causes-of-mutation-409

Development of the male gametophyte

http://www-ijpb.versailles.inra.fr/en/sgap/equipes/dgm/index.htm

ahhh sweet mate, thanks a lot, i'll download them now and have a full read. cheers

darwin

 

[BrianBadonde]

Yep can do mate here is some more reading for you and any really interested in this topic.

Plant Biologists Discover Gene That Switches On 'Essence Of Male'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090319224538.htm

DNA Replication and Causes of Mutation

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dna-replication-and-causes-of-mutation-409

Development of the male gametophyte

http://www-ijpb.versailles.inra.fr/en/sgap/equipes/dgm/index.htm

and heres the proper citation.

http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/6/1/7.full

 

[freefields]

That paper hempy posted isn't really relevant to this discussion.

Until hempy grasps that the feminising process is merely the use of the Silver ion to inhibit the ethylene hormone then he just isn't going to understand this debate.

Here is a key paper about the use of the silver ion with cannabis:

Comparative effect of silver ion and gibberellic acid on the induction of male flowers on female Cannabis plants by G. Sarath and H. Y. Mohan Ram, Department of Botany, University of Delhi, 110007 Delhi, India

http://www.springerlink.com/content/xp2u212g06940122/

Summary:

Silver ion applied as AgNO3 to the shoot tip of female plants ofCannabis induces male flowers. It is more effective than gibberellic acid (GA3) in maintaining the induced state.

 

[gaiusmarius]

well this is interesting stuff, gonna have to read from the beginning. last few pages have wet my appetite for more.

what is so misleading about the term hermie, doesn't it just refer to a plant that is expressing both sexes. i suppose i should have saved that question till after reading the whole thread, but maybe i can get some idea why it's so important. after all a rose by any other name will smell just as sweet, right? is it a matter of principle or is there a practical reason why the term hermie is so offensive or wrong?

language does change after all, if enough people give a word a certain meaning it slowly takes on that meaning more with each new generation.

 

[Tom Hill]

Tom its over? But you keep posting prolonging it? And its over because you say it is right? Ive backed up what Im saying from several sources but you said their unreliable. So I quoted(Rob Clarke) from your list of superduper growers, and then thats "horse shit"? What a joke. First of all my quote'n Rob was all about the environment CAN influence sex.Not what your saying about the above (feminized) topic.

Two completely different topics dude.! Me adding 2 and 2 together and being way off base, is perfectly describing your above reply. Way off somewhere, huh? And any experienced honest grower knows that feminized is more likely to herm than standard. And yes growers w/feminized genetics should be on the lookout for herms down the road. Remember w/so many "stupid" breeders creating shitty feminized seeds now, it would only make sense that feminized genetics are producing more herms than standard!

Last time hoosier I never said enviro changes a male into a female,ect..Every1 already knows that a plant can only express whats in their genetics. Good example of you trying to get out of the shithole you put yourself in. Since Im now going to be working fulltime outdoors w/no internet I will now leave (unlike hoos promises) you guys till late fall. Im sure I'll be missed. Theres not just 2 sides to this thread, mabey I can get one of those reach arounds hoosier gives his team members! see ya late fall....

Yes, imo it was over when hahhh started handing folks their asses early on in this thread, not that Hoosier wasn't already doing a good job of it.

I agree that they are two completely different topics, hence me being annoyed that you were seemingly attempting to combine them thinking this was in anyway helping your case.

When you say that everyone knows that a plant can only express what's in their genes, but earlier you seemed to be blaming the method for intersexed plants, then no, apparently everyone did not know. Did you come in and say this guys or that guys fem seeds suck because of the individuals selected? No, you didn't.

But at least you are blaming "stupid" breeders now, and that is much closer to the mark than the ridiculous notion of blaming the method itself.



Hempy,

I do hope that you are reading what you are posting/cut pasting, and realizing the effects they have on your theories, you're like a goaltender that keeps slapping the puck in for the other team, hehee. -Tom

 

[freefields]

well this is interesting stuff, gonna have to read from the beginning. last few pages have wet my appetite for more.

what is so misleading about the term hermie, doesn't it just refer to a plant that is expressing both sexes. i suppose i should have saved that question till after reading the whole thread, but maybe i can get some idea why it's so important. after all a rose by any other name will smell just as sweet, right? is it a matter of principle or is there a practical reason why the term hermie is so offensive or wrong?

language does change after all, if enough people give a word a certain meaning it slowly takes on that meaning more with each new generation.

Hi Gaius, if you go back 4-5 pages there is an explanation of the hermie thing.

In short, cannabis is never hermaphroditic.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

nah mate, a hermaphrodite plant has both sex organs (male and female) in a single flower, cannabis has both male and female FLOWERS that remain separate on the plant and are monoecious when they have both sex flowers, instead of the normal dioecious. think of a hermaphrodite person who has a vagina and a penis in the same place, sort of morphed out of each other.

well this is interesting stuff, gonna have to read from the beginning. last few pages have wet my appetite for more.

what is so misleading about the term hermie, doesn't it just refer to a plant that is expressing both sexes. i suppose i should have saved that question till after reading the whole thread, but maybe i can get some idea why it's so important. after all a rose by any other name will smell just as sweet, right? is it a matter of principle or is there a practical reason why the term hermie is so offensive or wrong?

language does change after all, if enough people give a word a certain meaning it slowly takes on that meaning more with each new generation.

 

[Dalaihempy]

That paper hempy posted isn't really relevant to this discussion.

I think you need to go back and re read it all.

Just a sample

A traumatic incident might, therefore, act by temporarily upsetting this balance which is later restored in a way which leads to the opposite sexual character being manifested.

I dont pretend to know it all so stop acting like you do if you think what i posted has no relevance your mistaken go back and read it all.

A traumatic incident might just be sex reversal lol.

 

[BrianBadonde]

well this is interesting stuff, gonna have to read from the beginning. last few pages have wet my appetite for more.

what is so misleading about the term hermie, doesn't it just refer to a plant that is expressing both sexes. i suppose i should have saved that question till after reading the whole thread, but maybe i can get some idea why it's so important. after all a rose by any other name will smell just as sweet, right? is it a matter of principle or is there a practical reason why the term hermie is so offensive or wrong?

language does change after all, if enough people give a word a certain meaning it slowly takes on that meaning more with each new generation.

Hermaphrodites have complete "perfect" flowers, Monoecious don't, A Dioecious population just has unisexual plants, cannabis clearly doesn't have these per se, it has a mixture of dioecious plants and monoecious - hence sub dioecious.

 

[freefields]

Yes, imo it was over when hahhh started handing folks their asses early on in this thread, not that Hoosier wasn't already doing a good job of it.

I agree that they are two completely different topics, hence me being annoyed that you were seemingly attempting to combine them thinking this was in anyway helping your case.

When you say that everyone knows that a plant can only express what's in their genes, but earlier you seemed to be blaming the method for intersexed plants, then no, apparently everyone did not know. Did you come in and say this guys or that guys fem seeds suck because of selections, no, you didn't.

But at least you are blaming "stupid" breeders now, and that is much closer to the mark than the ridiculous notion of blaming the method itself.



Hempy,

I do hope that you are reading what you are posting/cut pasting, and realizing the effects they have on your theories, you're like a goaltender that keeps slapping the puck in for the other team, hehee. -Tom

You know what Tom, to me the best thing about this thread is the way is has shown who knows what they are talking about (Yourself, Raco, Rick, Hoosier, Brian etc) and those who haven't got a clue in the slightest (stagger, hempy etc) and I now know who to listen to and who to ignore.

That is just as important to me as the actual science I have learnt from this discussion.

 

[sallyforthDeleted member 75382]

nah mate, a hermaphrodite plant has both sex organs (male and female) in a single flower, cannabis has both male and female FLOWERS that remain separate on the plant and are monoecious when they have both sex flowers, instead of the normal dioecious. think of a hermaphrodite person who has a vagina and a penis in the same place, sort of morphed out of each other.

ah ha I get it now....thanks for the easy to understand explanation.

It's quite simple really.

 

[Dalaihempy]

nah mate, a hermaphrodite plant has both sex organs (male and female) in a single flower, cannabis has both male and female FLOWERS that remain separate on the plant and are monoecious when they have both sex flowers, instead of the normal dioecious. think of a hermaphrodite person who has a vagina and a penis in the same place, sort of morphed out of each other.

No mate cannabis is part of the dioecious plants (male and female reproductive organs on separate plants) hermaphrodite do express to but for the most are dioecious did you stop and think that stress caused the few hermaphrodites just like the chemical sex reversal may play out to.

Yes tom i am reading lots hope you are reading it to.

 

[BrianBadonde]

No mate cannabis is part of the dioecious plants (male and female reproductive organs on separate plants) hermaphrodite do express to but for the most are dioecious did you stop and think that stress caused the few hermaphrodites just like the chemical sex reversal may play out to.

Yes tom i am reading lots hope you are reading it to.

Cannabis is NOT fully Dioecious. and it contains NO herms

 

[freefields]

I think you need to go back and re read it all.

Just a sample

A traumatic incident might, therefore, act by temporarily upsetting this balance which is later restored in a way which leads to the opposite sexual character being manifested.

I dont pretend to know it all so stop acting like you do if you think what i posted has no relevance your mistaken go back and read it all.

A traumatic incident might just be sex reversal lol.

Hempy, how many times do I have to tell ya, all that is happening when a female plant is induced to produce male flowers through the application of silver ions is that one hormone (ethylene) is being inhibited. This is hardly a traumatic incident!

You're desperately clutching at straws to find something, anything that will support your stupid viewpoint, it's beyond pointless because there is a huge body of hard science presented in this thread that blows your crazed ideas out of the water yet you just keep on ignoring it.

You remind me of a guy I know who refuses to believe that evolution is scientific fact and prefers to believe the world is only a few thousand years old because an old book says it was made by some mythical being in a week.

 

[freefields]

No mate cannabis is part of the dioecious plants (male and female reproductive organs on separate plants) hermaphrodite do express to but for the most are dioecious did you stop and think that stress caused the few hermaphrodites just like the chemical sex reversal may play out to.

Yes tom i am reading lots hope you are reading it to.

Absolute positive proof that hempy hasn't got a friggin clue about this subject.

Many pages of posts all about how cannabis ISN'T hermpahroditic but hempy still has the gall/stupidity to say it is.

Chemical sex reversal? Jeez hempy, you are ignoring all the info about feminising aren't you. No chemicals are used, the silver ion is not a chemical, it is an element, a metal, it's on the periodic table FFS.

Stress does not cause intersexed plants, genes are the cause, stress may trigger the expression of the genes.

Come on hempy, you need to at least try to grasp the basics first before you go any further!

 

[Dalaihempy]

You know it seams to me know matter what i bring to the table you few just throw it back into my face with piss poor replies yet you have added what research to back your claims up .

What else i would like to high lite is how many new members have just appeared out of no were that are also desperately trying to hold on to their ignorant beliefs on fem seeds.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

ah ha I get it now....thanks for the easy to understand explanation.

It's quite simple really.

you're welcome mate! glad to help

haha guys i typed in "hermaphrodite plant" into google images, the only plant to come up was marjiuana...... ..... ..... .... evidence of how far this misconception has spread

http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=...odite+plant&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=