would u get a arrested if,,,?

[TheMintMan]

If his partner agreed, then so be it. Why have BOTH of you do time for it? You think they'll be like 'Well, since it's both of you and this carries a 10 year sentence, we'll just give each of you 5..." LOL His FRIEND will get a reduced sentence while YOU'LL do the entire bid, and they'll nail you. F that.

His friend agreed under no coercion, so he'll have to deal with the consequences. Now I'd understand if the guy was being taken advantage of, i.e. he's half retarded, but anything short of that I couldn't really blame him. Don't make a promise you can't keep.

I'd help him anyway I could with his legal trouble and family issues IF AND ONLY IF he isn't trying to put me in prison. And what kind of true friend would do that??

Sounds like his friend is 'unstable' at best. You don't have to coerce people like that to take advantage of them. Then when the shit hits the fan leave them high and dry? And cause they said "uh-huh" it's all good? No.

 

[Verite]

I hate to buck the trend here but if Im motivated by the same thing as the original poster Im going to have to give a giant thumbs up to the whole idea.

Why?

Because the way I figure its the really silly selfish ideas of others that keep the cops busy enough not to notice me.

From an unselfish standpoint I can tell you right now that even grow partners that share 50/50 of everything from costs, labor and risks get busted many times more than solitary growers. Factor in your very uneven mish-mash of costs, labor and risk and you can just about guarantee that you get busted.

I can also tell you the quickest way to piss off local leo/DA is to be acquitted for a crime that both of you know your guilty of. I would rather be busted than stuck on perma-radar by local leo trying to save face.

 

[masterKahn]

fingerprints is all they need to get you, there will be an eye lash somewhere, skin flakes, or they can just make something up.

 

[Cheeb]

Just deny everything dude..or better yet be silent..and you should be fine. Its not your residence.

Your friend got busted growing in HIS house... why would they bother with the other party if they've got the homeowner. To me it'd just sound like the homeowner trying to bail himself out of his grow caught red handed.

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And to the people that would flame this dude for agreeing to "protection" away from the grow..get real. I think its a fair trade...that both parties AGREED to.

Grower brings all the skills, work, know how, funding, ect to the table.
Homeowner does nothing but assume responsibility in the event of a bust. They split 50/50.

Granted the grower is on the better side of the table if a bust occurs - thats the risk the homeowner takes when agreeing to this "investment decision"...because thats the homeowners postition in the whole thing - an investor.

Tell me why in the hell the Grower should get in any trouble when the Homeowner IS ALREADY going down with the charge?!? Thats retarded...escpecially when it was more likely to be the homeowner who drew the bust in the 1st place.

ANYONE who thinks the orignal poster is wrongful in act would more then likely snitch on one of their friends in a similar situation..just to level the playing field...not wanting to go down alone. Its pathetic. It amazes me that there are people here that think the grower should not let his friend take the fall that he agreed to take if needed. WHAT do all propose he do? Turn himself in..so that 2 people are going to jail instead of one? Sad people..sad.

That said - The original poster should never grow in the homeowners house if he really feels that the homeowner is "metally unstable".

My opinion

peace
Cheeb

 

[steppinRazor]

Long as the said 'grower' pays the rent, the bills, grocery and the lawyer fee's plus fines i dont see anything wrong with the scenario.
Far as the Law aspect goes - i guess you'd be fucked if theres loose lips involved

 

[stimuli]

your word against theres, not good enough for conviction unless backed with real evidence

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

the person IN the house will take the fall. The owner of the house will go down to if he is living there, no matter what. If the owner is renting out the house he will have to prove that he hadn't inspected the property, and then face fines anyways, but might avoid prison.

 

[Pythagllio]

fingerprints is all they need to get you, there will be an eye lash somewhere, skin flakes, or they can just make something up.

Yeah, you know Grissom will getcha no doubt.

 

[SmokyMtnToker]

If he signs a statement against you then you're getting arrested.......

The guy that owns the house is a fool to say he'd take the fall 100 percent. That doesn't leave a whole lot of incentive for you to keep your mouth quiet to everyone.....

How about every time someone gets busted they ' sign a statement' that some other poor slob is REALLy the owner, and that gets them off the hook and gets some innocent guy busted...right? WRONG. It takes MORE than JUST an ALLEGATION, with NO OTHER evidence, to get a warrant. We have been down this road before; one the one hand, on rare occasion, some idiot magistrate signs a warrant application based on nothing but hearsay.

It could never get a conviction because of the rule of law, but it gets someone busted. Then, after that, anyone who hears the story assumes that all it takes for a normal warrant is the unsubstantiated word of a lone accuser, and that is NOT the law or the way it is.

Can you imagine any DA standing in court and trying to get a judge to swallow this warrant application: ' After searching the home of John Doe and charging him with marijuana cultivation, John Doe SAYS that it is really Joe Blow who owns the contraband he was caught with; we have no other evidence that this is true, just the word of John Doe".

Unreal. It simply cannot pass muster. no lawyer would stand by and accept a warrant based on hearsay; the word of one against another with no other proofs. If this WERE TRUE, our legal system would be swamped with allegations of one person againt another, with everything in a jumble of accusations and searches based on nothing but the word of an accused.

The cops would have to investigate and establish far more to get a warrant for your house or you. AND, no attorney worth a damn would ever admit in court that you had ' casual ' knowledge of any crime...he wopuld adamantly scream that you had NOTHING to do with this and that the guy busted is just trying to spread the crap around thinner.

Just because an occasional judge screws up and puts a warrant out based on insufficient evidence does NOT mean that it will stand in court. no way, no how. I would love to see an actual case where NOTHING but the allegation of an accused has resulted in a conviction that withstood appeal. I have looked and cannot find one. Can you?

 

[SmokyMtnToker]

fingerprints is all they need to get you, there will be an eye lash somewhere, skin flakes, or they can just make something up.

Nonsense: Cops do NOT collect DNA samples or fingerprints from a grow op just because some rat SAYS that so and so was here. And if they did, they would have to prove that the person whose prints were found was there contemporaneously with the grow and not at some point in time BEFORE the grow commenced. Lets say that you were in the house, before the grow was started; your prints would be there, and your DNA.

That would NOT prove that you were in fact a part of any illegal actions after your visits.

But in any event, cops are not going to try and gather that kind of proof; they would want eyewitnesses, videotapes or other firm proof that you were aware or part of the grow. It's not a muder case, and all they would do is try to get you to incriminate yourself or get the guy to set you up. CSI work is for murder, not pot growing.

 

[JJScorpio]

How about every time someone gets busted they ' sign a statement' that some other poor slob is REALLy the owner, and that gets them off the hook and gets some innocent guy busted...right? WRONG. It takes MORE than JUST an ALLEGATION, with NO OTHER evidence, to get a warrant. We have been down this road before; one the one hand, on rare occasion, some idiot magistrate signs a warrant application based on nothing but hearsay.

It could never get a conviction because of the rule of law, but it gets someone busted. Then, after that, anyone who hears the story assumes that all it takes for a normal warrant is the unsubstantiated word of a lone accuser, and that is NOT the law or the way it is.

Can you imagine any DA standing in court and trying to get a judge to swallow this warrant application: ' After searching the home of John Doe and charging him with marijuana cultivation, John Doe SAYS that it is really Joe Blow who owns the contraband he was caught with; we have no other evidence that this is true, just the word of John Doe".

Unreal. It simply cannot pass muster. no lawyer would stand by and accept a warrant based on hearsay; the word of one against another with no other proofs. If this WERE TRUE, our legal system would be swamped with allegations of one person againt another, with everything in a jumble of accusations and searches based on nothing but the word of an accused.

The cops would have to investigate and establish far more to get a warrant for your house or you. AND, no attorney worth a damn would ever admit in court that you had ' casual ' knowledge of any crime...he wopuld adamantly scream that you had NOTHING to do with this and that the guy busted is just trying to spread the crap around thinner.

Just because an occasional judge screws up and puts a warrant out based on insufficient evidence does NOT mean that it will stand in court. no way, no how. I would love to see an actual case where NOTHING but the allegation of an accused has resulted in a conviction that withstood appeal. I have looked and cannot find one. Can you?

We're not going down this road again. You got that? You're either a cop or a fool, because you sure give bad legal advice. You're not going to leave anyone open to doing stupid shit and getting arrested on this form....

A signed statement from an eye witness co-conspirator is not only enough for an arrest warrant, but also a conviction. I'm not liking my chances with a jury trial when the DA puts the poor, mentally deficient "victim" on the stand to testify how I took advantage of him....

 

[Moldy Dreads]

No one is upset he would let his friend take the fall for him???

Maybe reading into the scenario may clear things up a bit. I'm not upset LOL

If the OP lives in a med state and they both have reccomendations, there really is no big issue in taking 100% resposibility for a grow in your house. Specially if the OP put up lights, clones, time, nutes, know-how, etc. In Cali for example, a med grow is legal by state law, and the most that could happen is the DEA come in and try to be thugs, but would get thrown out in court, as usual.

The OP has a lot to loose if child protective services gets involved and they try to screw him over for a grow in his house due to unsafe environment for the kids. So it is safer for the guy to grow away from the CPS BS. Since the guy put up nothing else than the house and wants 50% of the herb, I think it's not fishy that he agreed to take any heat if it came down to it. I may be wrong about the medical papers and what not, but I don't find it ludicrous.

That all being said, the main issue is what type of person you are doing business with.
The person could be smart and take the heat or may cave and spread eagle to the man and give you up...
Your question is like "Hypothetically, will my chick cheat on me if Brad Pitt tries to pick up on her?" it really depends on what kind of chick you're with and how much you trust her...
Is this person trustworthy, as in past experiences with him, or do you barely know this person?

 

[Pythagllio]

SmokyMtnToker, a sworn affidavit that you're partners with someone isn't even close to fitting the description of hearsay. It's direct evidence. Also, I've read about police collecting fingerprints from grows. Sworn statement + fingerprints = indictment, and you better believe it.

 

[Cheeb]

If the owner is renting out the house he will have to prove that he hadn't inspected the property, and then face fines anyways, but might avoid prison.

Where are you getting this info? If a said "tenent" gets busted for cultivation they'd have to prove the owner of the home HAD KNOWLEDGE of what was going on (provided the home was rented officially on the up and up). Its a law for landlords to inspect their property? Since when? I know landlords that havn't stepped foot in their properties for years. How would one prove that that HADN'T inspected the property anyways?

It'd be cold day in hell if landlords started getting busted for what their tenents are doing in their residences. Around here - the landlord would only face conviction if it was repeatidly happening..or they otherwise had proof that the landlord was involved.

 

[Pythagllio]

IIRC there are many places in Canada requiring landlords to inspect their properties periodically, and said rule was instituted to discourage grow ops. Perhaps the poster you quoted is in Canada.

 

[Pythagllio]

Somebody above claimed they never take fingerprints from a grow.

Prints lead to Collier pot arrest

Posted: Jul 14, 2009 4:57 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 14, 2009 4:57 PM EDT

COLLIER COUNTY: Fingerprints found on light bulbs that, according to deputies, were being used to grow marijuana inside a Golden Gate Estates residence helped lead to the arrest of a 42-year-old man on multiple drug charges Tuesday.

Jesus M. Valdes, 1180 20th Ave. N.E., Golden Gate Estates, was charged with cultivation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to sell and possession of narcotic paraphernalia.

Valdes is the fifth person arrested in Collier County in connection with a statewide grow house sweep called Operation Eagle Claw in June.

According to reports from the Collier County Sheriff's Office, deputies served a search warrant at 940 Wilson Boulevard North on June 10.

Deputies say nobody was living at the house, which was being used for the sole purpose of growing marijuana.

After searching the home, deputies found a grow room that had 63 marijuana plants inside. The marijuana had an estimated street value of $189,000.

Deputies also found indoor marijuana grow equipment such as high-intensity light bulbs, transformers, extra cooling units, a sophisticated irrigation system that provided fertilizer and water to the marijuana plants, plants and carbon dioxide tanks.

That equipment was valued at around $20,000.

In the kitchen, deputies found two receipts from an auto parts store dated June 9, 2009, with Valdes' name on them. They also found a telephone statement in the name of Jesus Valdes.

Deputies also discovered a citation for Valdes dated June 5, 2009, inside of a vehicle parked outside the residence when the search warrant was executed.

After more investigating, deputies found that Valdes had rented the home on December 27, 2008 from the homeowner.

Fingerprints collected from some of the light bulbs used to grow marijuana came back Monday as matching Valdes' prints.

Deputies located Valdes at the intersection of Golden Gate and Wilson boulevards Tuesday morning and arrested him, according to sheriff's office reports.

 

[TheMintMan]

I have to agree with whoever said it just isn't realistic to think that they're going to be fingerprinting and dna testing fibers at small/medium sized grow ops. I'm not saying it NEVER happens, as the poster above me has illustrated, but I will say this....

If your crime lab is so backed up with samples to test that they can't even get around to all the RAPE KITS in a timely manner(i.e. Los Angeles)...or at all...then I find it highly unlikely that they are going to make your pot operation a huge priority.

 

[BurmeseDragon]

Well even if your house is clean, chances are they are going to

A: Fuck up the grow
B: Tell everyone about it
C: Rip you off
D: Bust you