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Workplace Bullying/harassment, What's your story?

marcnh

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...and how to deal with it!

What is your story in your workplace when you have had someone giving you a hard time? Has there been sexual harassment? Have you been doing a better job than someone else and they get the advancement? Is there someone trying to belittle you? Did you experience some asshole trying to increase their ego while trying to make you feel little? Let's trade stories and gain knowledge.
There are several different scenarios in my mind. Most of the time the bully sees that there is nobody else is around and this is the way they get away with it (so it's your word against theirs). Other times they analyze the situation and will bully you in front of other people they trust them (ie a manager they are close with), and will not protest against them, and even lie for them. WHY? Because when they act like this, they can easily deny what you say and turn it around and tell lies to make it seem like they were just trying to be friendly despite their aggressive/abusive/dominating tone, and even make you look like the bad guy even though you were being friendly and passive.
They also "walk the fine line". For example this means that all they said was, "how are you doing today?" But, the bully/harasser uses a totally different tone - an aggressive tone, like they are trying to dominate you, belittle you, or make themselves feel more and make you feel less by their careful choice of words.
IWhy they do this in my mind is because their psyche/ego/self esteem is like a "tire leaking air". If they do not refill the air by making themselves feel better than you, then they "deflate"; they need to make you feel less than them in order to "inflate" their ego... If they do not have a "toy" (someone to fuck with) to increase their own faulted ego, (to inflate their tire/egoself esteem) they go crazy, they "deflate their tire". <the worst scenario for this type of abuser is you take away their "pump" - you ignore them.
So, the cycle goes that they harass you at work and they feel big, then they go home and they feel small and think of ways for the next day to "inflate" their psyche. I hope this makes sense because it is something I see over and over.
Why do I see this over and over? I am somewhat passive, I avoid aggressive people, and am happy, so the narcissist/sociopath/psychopath sees me as a target and me as a threat. They see me as a threat because I see right through this chronic abusive personality. This also elicits the "hero effect" (phillip zimbardo) in me. This is when you see an atrocity and you feel the need to do something about it despite the consequences.
I have a burden and I would describe it as this - if there are 100 people in a room, and there is one psychopath/sociopath/narcissist/bully/workplace aggressor (they all overlap according to the "diagnostic and statistical manual of psychological disorders" <DSM>) they will find me and I will find them because I cannot stand one person mistreating another in my presence, and I will even put my reputation on the line to stop it.
What gives them strength is this type of person has been practicing this behavior their whole lives- from childhood which is most likely abusive. They are true professional abusers.
38% of people in the usa say that they have been harassed at work, but only 15% have said that they have witnessed harassment. This supports what I said about these people acting this way when nobody is around. This is what happens most of the time.
I would like to hear what you have to say, and I know how to combat this and I will elaborate later, but I'm getting tired of typing at the moment!
Thanks for your comments, maybe I can help you and you can help me! :groupwave:
 

HidingInTheHaze

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I was picked on most of my young life.
The first time, I punched the fucker in the nose and he never picked on me again.
Later on in life I was picked on by a group of kids every day, I hit the weights, lifted my ass off and got bigger then them, they never picked on me again. Never been bullied since.
Sometimes you just have to get tough, if all else fails be they ass. :stfu:
 

Wiggs Dannyboy

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Take notes, good thorough notes, after every episode. Write down the names of other's in the vicinity that can back up your story. If this jerk is harassing you, he probably has done it to others, and even if a person hasn't suffered the jerk's idiocy personally most folks hate that kind of person.

This is what is recommended for people who are getting sexually harassed, I'm sure that it works for any harassment.

The BEST thing to do is TAKE GREAT NOTES, and have these to back you up when you decide to report the behavior.

Good luck with the douche.
 

mpd

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I had some people fuck with me when I was in the Navy. I hit this guy so hard he fell off the platform and was swinging by his safety line. I lowered him down to the main deck and we poured seawater on him. I told him a ship was a dangerous place and if he wasn't real careful, he could get killed. It all stopped after that.
 

marcnh

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Take notes, good thorough notes, after every episode. Write down the names of other's in the vicinity that can back up your story. If this jerk is harassing you, he probably has done it to others, and even if a person hasn't suffered the jerk's idiocy personally most folks hate that kind of person.

This is what is recommended for people who are getting sexually harassed, I'm sure that it works for any harassment.

The BEST thing to do is TAKE GREAT NOTES, and have these to back you up when you decide to report the behavior.

Good luck with the douche.

I second that bro. The BEST way to combat workplace aggression is to take ACCURATE notes. You need to transcript:
*WORD FOR WORD WHAT WAS SAID
*THE NAME OF THE PERSON
*THE TIME IT HAPPENED
*WHO WERE THE WITNESSES
You need to do this every time the ?chronic abuser? is being aggressive to you.
Also, it is empowering to know the workplace harassment laws in your state.

Thanks for the comment.:smoweed:
 

Wiggs Dannyboy

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Glad you are familiar with the process. I was going to come back and add the importance of noting the date that it happens just in case it wasn't clear, but you obviously have an excellent grasp of what to do.
 

marcnh

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this is a good concept, but there are "eavesdropping laws". you have to tell the person they are being audio and video recorded.
 

marcnh

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Glad you are familiar with the process. I was going to come back and add the importance of noting the date that it happens just in case it wasn't clear, but you obviously have an excellent grasp of what to do.

thanks dannyboy, but why not illicit all you know to empower victims of this putrid behavior? Do you have more to say? Thanks bro!
 

marcnh

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I had some people fuck with me when I was in the Navy. I hit this guy so hard he fell off the platform and was swinging by his safety line. I lowered him down to the main deck and we poured seawater on him. I told him a ship was a dangerous place and if he wasn't real careful, he could get killed. It all stopped after that.

Good way to put your foot down and assert yourself!

Sometimes in the workplace, we cannot do this.
They can fuck with me at work. If anyone fucks with me outside of work its a totally different situation! LOL. They cannot get away with it. I keep my cool at work to try and be professional.
 
L

longearedfriend

There is a lot of women on men bullying happening in my parts.

Over here the workplace as well as schools are starting to be dominated by women.

Maybe it's in a lot of places, everywhere ?

Had to deal with some crazy girls myself.

Very twisted some of them are.

Guys can do it too, but men, i'm sorry to say... seems that men are much more vulnerable then women

some of the shit people say is downright vile

it's hard to understand the why

I tend to think it's the evolutionary thing, we need challenges

so people violate one another, and he who survives, passes on the genes
 

Wiggs Dannyboy

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Well...coming at the problem from the opposite tactical end, you could get yourself a copy of this book:

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here is the amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Gaslighting-D...qid=1363405754&sr=1-1&keywords=Victor+Santoro

I was going to suggest a book I read a longggggggggggggggg time ago (called "Dirty Tricks: The Complete Guide To Getting Even"), but I looked the book up and it got a bunch of reviews as no longer being relevant. One review mentioned to get this book instead. These books are great for 2 reasons, humor and tactics for extreme situations.
 

marcnh

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Well...coming at the problem from the opposite tactical end, you could get yourself a copy of this book:

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here is the amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Gaslighting-D...qid=1363405754&sr=1-1&keywords=Victor+Santoro

I was going to suggest a book I read a longggggggggggggggg time ago (called "Dirty Tricks: The Complete Guide To Getting Even"), but I looked the book up and it got a bunch of reviews as no longer being relevant. One review mentioned to get this book instead. These books are great for 2 reasons, humor and tactics for extreme situations.

Hey this seems like something I need!
What a burden I have at work - too passive, I just want to work hard as a team, get along and have fun! ty :smoweed:
 

resinryder

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this is a good concept, but there are "eavesdropping laws". you have to tell the person they are being audio and video recorded.

Laws regarding this vary from state to state. Here you can't record a phone call without the consent of the person you are recording. BUT, you can videotape their ass all day long and it's totally legal. But that is this states law. California is different according to an article i read last week. Can't videotape them without their consent.
Taking notes work but who's to say your notes aren't just your side of a revengeful employee spat? And you can't depend on coworkers to tell the truth either. Most would rather see you hanging in the wind all by yourself than get involved and risk losing their job. Much better to set them up to take the long hard fall themselves if possible.
Where I used to work we had a real hard ass that threw the rules out and would throw you under the bus just for kicks. Bastard got caught spying on women changing their clothes at a department store in our town. Peeping Tom lost his job, retirement, family, home, etc. Motherfucker really had it coming.
 

Wiggs Dannyboy

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Taking notes work but who's to say your notes aren't just your side of a revengeful employee spat?

This is true, but it's been shown time and time again that this evidence is powerful in any legal action. Really, because so many places make the actual "recording" of conversations illegal like you mentioned, it really is the next best thing. Frequently these harassment situations are controlled by the harasser and done only when he/she and their victim are present. It's because of these situations that notes are given the importance.
 

marcnh

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Laws regarding this vary from state to state. Here you can't record a phone call without the consent of the person you are recording. BUT, you can videotape their ass all day long and it's totally legal. But that is this states law. California is different according to an article i read last week. Can't videotape them without their consent.
Taking notes work but who's to say your notes aren't just your side of a revengeful employee spat? And you can't depend on coworkers to tell the truth either. Most would rather see you hanging in the wind all by yourself than get involved and risk losing their job. Much better to set them up to take the long hard fall themselves if possible.
Where I used to work we had a real hard ass that threw the rules out and would throw you under the bus just for kicks. Bastard got caught spying on women changing their clothes at a department store in our town. Peeping Tom lost his job, retirement, family, home, etc. Motherfucker really had it coming.

good justice there!
Taking records do hold ground when you have date, time, what was said, witnesses.
 

marcnh

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This is true, but it's been shown time and time again that this evidence is powerful in any legal action. Really, because so many places make the actual "recording" of conversations illegal like you mentioned, it really is the next best thing. Frequently these harassment situations are controlled by the harasser and done only when he/she and their victim are present. It's because of these situations that notes are given the importance.

We agree. i believe you:
1 tell the person to stop.
2 tell a manager or better HR.
<if they do not stop>
3 complain again all the while quoting your notes.
4 sue thier ass if they violated workplace harrassement laws for your state.:comfort:
 

Dislexus

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Of course narcissism is a spectrum, we should specify the extreme: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I think the rate of sociopathy/psychopathy/NPD is underestimated. These people suck, they are everywhere, and if they aren't self-destructive they tend to thrive as long as they can get away with it. Then there's just the plain ol' creepers, male and female.
 

Feyd

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i was never really picked on. in elementary some kid gave me a purple nurple. when i was in 4th grade i hit some kid that was fucking with my brother. by hit i mean i swung my bookbag on his head and knocked him over.
after hitting puberty nobody ever fucked with me really. i was always at least a head above just about everyone. in a packed hallway i saw the tops of heads.

i got into a lot of fights though. some i picked, sometimes i was provoked. the most brutal thing ive ever done to someone else was a kick to the face with the bottom of my shoe while they were on the ground, on their ass, with their arms being held behind their back. this was at a bus stop in the morning, in florida, at like <5:30am, so it was really dark out and the ground was slick with dew. our stop was under a streetlamp next to a church and a narrow empty lot. my friend chased the kid wearing clunky skateboarding shoes and slipped on his ass while chasing him towards my direction. i basically clothes lined him, i caught him in the throat swinging my arm out and he did a fucking backflip and landed awkwardly on his neck/back.. i punched the hard part of his skull and hurt my hand as he was trying to get to his feet. despite being smaller than me, as he got up i got him in a headlock, which seems to be a common move for teenagers that dont know how to actually fight, he wrapped his arms around me and tried to lift me off the ground, i was able to posture up and maintain balance and keep from going down just by spreading my legs and putting my weight back on him, and i threw him towards the ground while he was holding on to me. at this point my friend is back and he grabs him from behind and locks his arms down. then i kicked him in the face with everything i had. while his friends (who were oddly mutual acquaintances of mine) watched. they knew him longer than they had known us, but they didnt help him. i smoked weed with those guys all the time, because we all lived within a few minutes walk of each other. that kid was kind of a dick though, and i came to understand they didnt really like him so much as tolerate his presence.
i still feel really bad though. he started the fight but wound up with a bloody nose and a busted lip.

i also sort of bullied a kid, not really in a huge way but looking back it was obviously mean, but i was just fucking with a 9th grader in my gym class. all i was doing was holding a basketball out of his reach while he tried to get it from me. i was 6'3 and he was probably 5 even or shorter. he eventually punched me in the face, the way most girls punch using just their forearms to throw a punch and basically smack you with a closed fist. i grabbed his arm and swung him around in a couple of circles and then let go of him and he rolled pretty hard when he hit the ground.
i seriously cringe at some of the things ive done.

i know you wanted victim perspectives but i dont have many good stories for that. i also noticed the thread was kinda straying from stories into procedures for fighting workplace bullying.
 

Dislexus

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Well it must've boosted your self-esteem when you did it Feyd. Ya think there is a correlation with the Yummybud quote in your sig?

THIS IS NOW A YUMMYBUD THREAD
 

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