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Will they find the plane?

trichrider

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Material on Australian shore examined in jet hunt


Crew aboard the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield move the U.S. Navy's Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle into position for deployment in the southern Indian Ocean to look for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, April 14.: Crew aboard the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield move the U.S. Navy's Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle into position for deployment in the southern Indian Ocean to look for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, April 14, 2014. REUTERS: Peter D. Blair, Handout
Crew aboard the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield move the U.S. Navy's Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle into position for deployment in the southern Indian Ocean to look for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, April 14, 2014. AP 3 hr ago | By ROD McGUIRK of Associated Press

"We do not consider this likely to be of use to our search for MH370," Dolan told The Associated Press. "At this stage, we are not getting excited."

Dolan said the analysis of the material would likely be completed overnight and a formal statement issued Thursday. Augusta is near Australia's southwestern tip, about 310 kilometers (190 miles) from Perth, where the search has been headquartered.

Meanwhile, Australia's prime minister said Wednesday that failure to find any clue in the most likely crash site of the lost jet would not spell the end of the search, as officials plan soon to bring in more powerful sonar equipment that can delve deeper beneath the Indian Ocean.

The search coordination center said a robotic submarine, the U.S. Navy's Bluefin 21, had scanned more than 80 percent of the 310-square kilometer (120-square mile) seabed search zone off the Australian west coast, creating a three-dimensional sonar map of the ocean floor. Nothing of interest had been found.

The 4.5-kilometer (2.8-mile) deep search area is a circle 20 kilometers (12 miles) wide around an area where sonar equipment picked up a signal on April 8 consistent with a plane's black boxes. But the batteries powering those signals are now believed dead.

Defense Minister David Johnston said Australia was consulting with Malaysia, China and the United States on the next phase of the search for the plane, which disappeared March 8. Details on the next phase are likely to be announced next week.

Johnston said more powerful towed side-scan commercial sonar equipment would probably be deployed, similar to the remote-controlled subs that found RMS Titanic 3,800 meters (12,500 feet) under the Atlantic Ocean in 1985 and the Australian WWII wreck HMAS Sydney in the Indian Ocean off the Australian coast, north of the current search area, in 2008.

"The next phase, I think, is that we step up with potentially a more powerful, more capable side-scan sonar to do deeper water," Johnston told the AP.

While the Bluefin had less than one-fifth of the seabed search area to complete, Johnston estimated that task would take another two weeks.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the airliner's probable impact zone was 700 kilometers (430 miles) long and 80 kilometers (50 miles) wide. A new search strategy would be adopted if nothing is found in the current seabed search zone.

"If at the end of that period we find nothing, we are not going to abandon the search, we may well rethink the search, but we will not rest until we have done everything we can to solve this mystery," Abbott told reporters.

"We owe it to the families of the 239 people on board, we owe it to the hundreds of millions — indeed billions — of people who travel by air to try to get to the bottom of this. The only way we can get to the bottom of this is to keep searching the probable impact zone until we find something or until we have searched it as thoroughly as human ingenuity allows at this time," he said.

The focus of the next search phase will be decided by continuing analysis of information including flight data and sound detections of the suspected beacons, Johnston said.

"A lot of this seabed has not even been hydrographically surveyed before — some of it has — but we're flying blind," he said, adding that the seabed in the vicinity of the search was up to 7 kilometers (4 miles) deep.

The search center said an air search involving 10 planes was suspended for a second day because of heavy seas and poor visibility.

But 12 ships would join Wednesday's search of an expanse covering 38,000 square kilometers (14,500 square miles), centered 1,600 kilometers (1,000 miles) northwest of Perth.

Radar and satellite data show the jet veered far off course on March 8 for unknown reasons during its flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing. An analysis indicates it would have run out of fuel in the remote section of ocean where the search has been focused. Not one piece of confirmed debris has been found since the massive multinational hunt began.

http://news.msn.com/world/material-on-australian-shore-examined-in-jet-hunt

what turds! the prevailing currents in that area go east to west, or from Australia towards Africa. that garbage would have to have swum to the coast. this is a giant cover-up.
 

Stoner4Life

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if one of our precious Kennedy's had been on that flight we'd have found and recovered that friggin' plane by now.......

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They really should have stopped looking after a couple of weeks. The cost and resources being used are a waste.

I feel sorry for the families but really this is pointless, even if they find the plane.
 

foomar

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This aircraft is in use all over the world , we need to know the cause of this incident/accident to stop it happening again , and to try and discover if it was deliberate action or if avionics were at fault.

The costs are trivial compared to what the military and governments waste every day , if it costs a billion its money well spent.
 

stoned-trout

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cant that cameron guy jump in his sub and help out .. he went to the Marianna trench this should be easy lol.......
 

Ez Rider

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This aircraft is in use all over the world , we need to know the cause of this incident/accident to stop it happening again , and to try and discover if it was deliberate action or if avionics were at fault.

The costs are trivial compared to what the military and governments waste every day , if it costs a billion its money well spent.

The "cause" is obvious. One or both of the pilots flew the plane into the middle of the Indian Ocean and crashed. I see almost no CREDIBLE evidence to contradict that. An "avionics problem" would bring the plane down or at least cripple it, not shut off the transponders and allow it to fly 1000's of miles off course. As to "why"? Does it really matter? Will it bring anyone back? Pilots have done murder/suicides in the past, I'm sure it will happen again. At least they crashed into the ocean, and not some population center.

Some of the "theories" I've seen put forth here are BEYOND RIDICULOUS.
 

trichrider

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Report: Investigators 'Revisiting' Chance Missing Malaysian Plane Landed Somewhere

Malaysia's New Straits Times published a blockbuster report this week that investigators searching for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 may begin to reconsider the possibility that the plane successfully landed, rather than crashing into the Indian Ocean.

The report only cites anonymous sources "within the team that is based in Kuala Lumpur" searching for the plane, which indicates that the new theory might be exclusive to the Malaysian search teams and not shared with other large national coalitions, such as the main search group led by Australian Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston. These sources told the New Straits Times that "they were revisiting... the possibility that the Boeing jetliner had landed somewhere else."

During the week of March 24, investigators declared officially that the plane's voyage had "ended in the Indian Ocean," with no possibility of survivors. The declaration was met with waves of protests from the relatives of passengers onboard, who demanded more evidence that the plane did indeed crash.

"The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible, as we have not found a single debris that could be linked to MH370," the source told the newspaper, though adding that the possibility that the plane was being hidden by a foreign government was "absurd." At the same time, the New Straits Times notes that the radar data provided by all the countries involved in the search is incomplete, and quotes a source as saying that the information used to narrow the search to the southwestern Indian Ocean was "selective data."

As the search continues, one source told the paper that investigations using the underwater American drone Bluefin-21 were based entirely on "scientific calculations since day one," including radar pings alleged to come from a manmade object that matched the frequencies of flight recorders and black boxes. Bluefin-21 has currently undergone nine missions on the ocean floor and found nothing of interest.

In the nearly two months since Flight 370 disappeared, a number of varied theories have surfaced on the whereabouts of the plane. A report that the plane had been spotted by natives in the Maldives--as well as a report from an Australian oil rig worker that the plane flew over him in the direction of the Philippines, have both been discarded. China's multiple reports of spotting debris in the southwestern Indian Ocean have led nowhere, with the New York Times reporting that China's efforts have only "frustrated" the search. Malaysian Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim raised the specter of a Malaysian government conspiracy, while Iranian state propaganda blamed the CIA for the plane's disappearance.

As the plane's disappearance hits the 45-day mark, relatives of the passengers on Flight 370 begin to explore legal options. CNN reports that American courts do not allow lawyers to reach out to the relatives of plane crash victims until 45 days have passed; as today is Day 46, attorneys are expected to contact relatives and help with legal options in American courts, including potential class action suits against the plane's American manufacturer, Boeing. The case is significantly hurt in court by the lack of a wreckage site, however, as no evidence can indicate whether mechanical failure prompted the crash--or even if there was a crash at all.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...ance-Missing-Malaysian-Plane-Landed-Somewhere
 

foomar

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At least they crashed into the ocean, and not some population center

So that makes it alright then ?

In the absence of any hard evidence to the contrary , pilot action is the best guess , flight recorders may confirm this , or at least discount avionics and FBW as a cause.

If it was deliberate action its one hell of a problem to stop a repeat , pilot vetting is already strong.

The whole fiasco shows a need for live satellite tracking and better transponders at the very least.
 

Ez Rider

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So that makes it alright then ?

In the absence of any hard evidence to the contrary , pilot action is the best guess , flight recorders may confirm this , or at least discount avionics and FBW as a cause.

If it was deliberate action its one hell of a problem to stop a repeat , pilot vetting is already strong.

The whole fiasco shows a need for live satellite tracking and better transponders at the very least.

It's definitely a problem, one that has happened SEVERAL times before(SilkAir flight 185, EgyptAir flight 990, LAM Mozambique Airlines flight 470, Royal Air Maroc flight 630, Japan Airlines flight 350 etc) MH 370 is not unique. Plenty of nuts in all professions. Most never get to hold a few hundred lives in their hands.

What good is tracking if the pilot is suicidal? I guess you could follow him to his chosen crash site, maybe shoot it down if it was a danger to other lives, but what else? Steven Segal is busy most days.

The only "cover-up" I can see is airlines wanting to gloss over how helpless you are if your pilot melts down in the air. Airplane crashes tend to be fatal 100% of the time.
 

SpasticGramps

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There should be a live feed sending all pertinent information out that cannot be turned off or tampered with in the plane. Something that even the pilots cannot disable.

It's amazing they are still using '60's technology in these black boxes.
 

foomar

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What good is tracking if the pilot is suicidal?

The strictest crew vetting and psych testing would not make it impossible , and flying them from the ground as drones would not be accepted by the flying public yet , yet half the crashes are due to pilot error.

The latest planes have 500 passengers on board , air travel has the lowest fatalities per million miles travelled , but not much consolation if you happen to be one of them.
 

HempKat

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There should be a live feed sending all pertinent information out that cannot be turned off or tampered with in the plane. Something that even the pilots cannot disable.

It's amazing they are still using '60's technology in these black boxes.

The sad thing is there could be, but the people with the money to make it happen don't want to pony up the money to make it happen. They'd rather gamble with the loss of life and subsequent law suits as well as the loss of these planes that already cost them millions. Capitalism :rolleyes:
 

HempKat

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The strictest crew vetting and psych testing would not make it impossible , and flying them from the ground as drones would not be accepted by the flying public yet , yet half the crashes are due to pilot error.

The latest planes have 500 passengers on board , air travel has the lowest fatalities per million miles travelled , but not much consolation if you happen to be one of them.

Drones being flown from the ground are still prone to pilot error. Removing the pilot from the plane doesn't some how make him a better pilot. Drones still have the human element. I'm guessing you meant totally machine controlled flight which I don't know if we even have yet but if we did, yeah nobody would trust that.
 

HempKat

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cant that cameron guy jump in his sub and help out .. he went to the Marianna trench this should be easy lol.......

Actually I read a piece about where he was looking to get involved or at least they were planning on using the same equipment used to find the titanic which is better then the sub being used now.
 
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