Will PG&E's SmartMeters smoke out pot growers?
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SeaMaiden
So, for you folks who are in areas of concern (the southern and midwestern tier of states), you should learn about reefkeeping. Reefkeepers (miniature coral reefs) must keep their lights, big lights by the way, on a 12/12 photoperiod because the corals and other photosynthetic organisms are tropical, and thusly permanently experience nothing *but* a 12/12. In fact, there have been more conversations on when they should be lighting up their tanks so they can best/most enjoy the view than you might initially think.
It's not uncommon for someone to have a 200gal display, with a 50gal refugium, both of which may need rather extensive lighting and filtration systems. ALL of this must be on timers.
It's not uncommon for someone to have a 200gal display, with a 50gal refugium, both of which may need rather extensive lighting and filtration systems. ALL of this must be on timers.
DONE! Hopefully, 12KW will do.
Spot on no they do not need a warrant to look at your electric consumption. Maybe it's different in other states but surely that is spot on in my state.
They used my electricity usage as evidence to obtain a search warrant. So all they need to look into your electric usage is probable cause. It seems probable cause can be just about anything.
pretty sure i heard in the news not too long ago pg$e has an opt out program now. some of the frequencies give sensitive people head aches- the folks who can't use a cell phone. pg$e will save millions not paying employees over the years.. if your that paranoid just tap that shit! hahahahhahahah. i kid.
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CANNATOPIA
I didn't quite mean it that way,.. but.., I see your point.
Growers are Legit in my eyes friend.
I don't see this as being a very useful tool for any one trying to bust growers.
Other than the EC company using it for gathering up every cent they can, for the consumers use/ not paying as many employees.
Police would have too much of a chance in using just this step to bust a grower. I would have to believe that this kind of action, if used by police, could bring a lot of lawsuits with it.
Just think.., They would be constantly screwing up and unjustly harassing everyday.., 70 year old.., Herb's Garden growers for high EC usage .
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SeaMaiden
You probably don't want to get me started on PG&Evil, but there it is. They're the subject of lawsuits regarding their installations of SmartMeters and overcharges occurring, as well as an estoppal sought from the city of SF.
The SMs ain't that smart, and when ours was installed two years ago our already-high bills got even higher. I have read of more people than I can remember whose bills went up, and have read of at least two occasions where the customers were able to prove it (Stanford & Berkeley physics students in one instance, and a well-educated/knowledgeable couple in another). Unfortunately, most of us have neither the equipment nor the knowledge to put together such evidence.
And then there's the bullshit with Line 132! (The San Bruno gas transmission line.) Yeah... you probably don't want to get me started.
they don't even need probable cause where i live. i'm in the middle just east of the river. here anyone can walk into the power company offices and say that they are thinking of buying or renting the house and want to know the use history. they will hand you a printout without even asking for ID.
i think the best way to obfuscate is to split flowering up into at least 2 areas and veg across both time frames. stagger lights on and off so you don't cause any big spikes.
i'm currently heating a large house in winter in freezing night time temperatures using my lights. this has seriously offset my bill, cutting 2000 kwh per month.
i run the heat pump fan continuously but no heating on.
eddie torres
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I wonder if this website is run by the feds. Also medical mmj cards are gay. Yeah lets get put on a list. Been doin this long before any state programs. Man up and grow for yourselfs.How many people got cards for some dumb reason like chronic pain? yeah Doc I fell of my bike and my vagina hurts.(I know some people have legitamate reasons) but most dont. The more people that do it the harder it will be the "elite" to stop it.Burn Babylon.I smoke weed cause i love it. It is natures gift.
Either way it's NOT gonna hide your general usage.
A high (power) bill IS gonna stay high.
The modeling they can do will get more precise as the data set grows. Once the electric company has a large enough data set LEO can start modeling the data from busted grows, finding the usage patterns common amongst similar grows. They will definitely find patterns. There are always patterns.
Pretty soon they get a politician to sponsor a bill requiring the power company to query the database for those patterns. The politicians, hesitant to step on our privacy rights even more, vote yes because weed is evil and wicked and the future of our children is at stake. In the ever evolving police state could you really rule this out?
The low hanging fruit will be the large grows especially the non-occupant grows where the usage is really abnormal. Small towns where LEO has a lot of time on their hands would also be a bad place to be.
Maybe I'm paranoid.
I read that Target sends coupons for baby stuff specifically to women they determined were pregnant based on their shopping patterns. Women found it creepy so now they mix in random other coupons so it doesn't seem like they were specifically targeted.
Pretty soon they get a politician to sponsor a bill requiring the power company to query the database for those patterns. The politicians, hesitant to step on our privacy rights even more, vote yes because weed is evil and wicked and the future of our children is at stake. In the ever evolving police state could you really rule this out?
The low hanging fruit will be the large grows especially the non-occupant grows where the usage is really abnormal. Small towns where LEO has a lot of time on their hands would also be a bad place to be.
Maybe I'm paranoid.
I read that Target sends coupons for baby stuff specifically to women they determined were pregnant based on their shopping patterns. Women found it creepy so now they mix in random other coupons so it doesn't seem like they were specifically targeted.
MostHigh
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FPL recently rolled out their smart meters in my area. I called and requested that they not do so on my home. After a fairly short conversation full of corporate propaganda being run through my ears...they agreed. Then said that, should my current meter ever break, I'll have no choice but to have a smart meter installed.
That was three weeks ago and counting. Though I feel all is well...I'm carrying around a creeped out feeling that its only a matter of time before my hobby's power consumption tells a tale I want left on the down.
That was three weeks ago and counting. Though I feel all is well...I'm carrying around a creeped out feeling that its only a matter of time before my hobby's power consumption tells a tale I want left on the down.
Kushed_
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If this happens, sell your PG&E stock, and buy stock in solar! They will be getting very busy!
I have a question for you:
How does your current meter not show the same consumption the smart meter would?
(unless you were making just a general statement about your consumption becoming obvious @ some point)
MostHigh
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I'm certain you know...
the old school analog meters do not reveal patterns, what times and how much wattage is used hour by hour...just overall, total usage.
