Why is medical marijuana so expensive?

[WokkaWokka!]

Because American's moral values get flushed once there's a dollar to be made. Case in point, charging the sick for medications they need. Thats profiting off of illness, no matter how you slice it. Same with prisons. We find something unprofitable, develop a middleman, and viola, profit. That pesky thing we were working to prevent has now become profitable. So now that we are making money off that problem, its no longer a problem. America boasts that its most profitable industry are ths drug companies. The same companies that make money off the sick and dying. For a country thats so up its own ass about its "Christian values", we sure as hell don't follow Jesus' example of just helping people because its right. No, we need another motivator. Money is that motivator. The root of all evil.

Often misquoted part of the bible . . . It really translates more like "Love of money is the root of all evil." In itself money is only a tool. I want a lot of tools in my toolbox figuratively speaking because then I can do more cool stuff for people including myself. It takes money to make a grow happen. I think it would be interesting to calculate the legit, straight-forward costs of growing when you factor in the time @ $40 per hour which would not be at all unreasonable considering the costs of insurance and healthcare. Takes hundreds of person-hours to tend to a crop.

Just wanted to correct this because money itself, is nothing but a tool. As long as you remember that you are fine.

 

[Blue Dot]

I think it would be interesting to calculate the legit, straight-forward costs of growing when you factor in the time @ $40 per hour which would not be at all unreasonable considering the costs of insurance and healthcare..

This is the kind of insane thinking that galls me.

I challenge you to put an ad in the paper tomorrow looking for a job to grow a plant (any kind of plant) and have someone hire you for $40/hr.

You'd be lucky to get $8.25/hr.

 

[Hydrosun]

This is the kind of insane thinking that galls me.

I challenge you to put an ad in the paper tomorrow looking for a job to grow a plant (any kind of plant) and have someone hire you for $40/hr.

You'd be lucky to get $8.25/hr.

No you ASS CLOWN would be luck to get $8.25 an hour. I have happily paid more than 10x that for the guy who works on my car over TWO DECADES ago. Now go PRODUCE ass clown and let the rest of the world EARN $40 an hour if they want to.

Does anyone care at this point what galls Blue Dot the Ass Clown?

Peace,

 

[zenoonez]

This is the kind of insane thinking that galls me.

I challenge you to put an ad in the paper tomorrow looking for a job to grow a plant (any kind of plant) and have someone hire you for $40/hr.

You'd be lucky to get $8.25/hr.

I can tell you right now that farmers don't make 8.25 an hour, at least they don't in my area of the country.

 

[Blue Dot]

I can tell you right now that farmers don't make 8.25 an hour, at least they don't in my area of the country.

I live in San Diego and ALL the landscapers and farmers are mexican (90%) illegals and the vast majority make under $10.00/hr.

Why would the employers pay them more when there is a line to take their place and no enforcement from La Migra (INS, ICE)?

You NorCal guys better hope weed doesn't become legal cause all the San Diego mexican illegals will outgrow you and no government officials will stop them.

 

[WokkaWokka!]

Just wanted to update that and Blue already commented on it.

I am not talking about unskilled workers hired to tend a greenhouse. I am talking about the skilled professional grower who can produce buds that are the best around. Skilled labor does not come cheap, definitely not less than 20 per hour. I have heard, that a rule of thumb in business is that employees cost 2x their base pay when you factor in the costs of benefits. I think what you want Blue is a straightforward and "legit" price structure so I am throwing ideas around.

Is there even a question that growers need to be paid enough to live?

 

[kmk420kali]

Please, you really think the rest of us in CA believe a word that comes out of oakland?

I'm pretty sure it's the most corrupt city in the US.

Yeah..right next to Sacramento...well, to be fair...maybe Washington DC also!!
Really man...you are sticking up for the real crooked fucker's, when you keep on about, "The Law says this..." and "They deserved it..because the Law clearly states..."
But whatever...I guess everyone needs a Team to be on....
(BTW...if it isn't like that, you should maybe quit making it look like it is--)

 

[kmk420kali]

I live in San Diego and ALL the landscapers and farmers are mexican (90%) illegals and the vast majority make under $10.00/hr.

Why would the employers pay them more when there is a line to take their place and no enforcement from La Migra (INS, ICE)?

You NorCal guys better hope weed doesn't become legal cause all the San Diego mexican illegals will outgrow you and no government officials will stop them.

Haha!! Damn man...do you really think that quality pot is grown within their budget??
They will flood the market with "Less Than" quality weed...and get nowhere with it-- They, nor any of the American "wannabe" Growers will be able to pull off the quality that will be needed to corner the weed Market--
Did they do it when Alcohol Prohibition stopped?? Nope.
Quality out, means quality in...there are no shortcuts--

 

[Blue Dot]

Haha!! Damn man...do you really think that quality pot is grown within their budget??

Notice I said 90% are mexcian illegals.

The other 10% white folks are educated and the ones calling the shots.

San Diego produces 50% of the avocados for the entire nation.

They are the best quality and grown by illegal mexicans but a select few white guys are the "brains" behind the op and rake in the cash.

The illegals are just the labor, which has always been the biggest expense of any business yet here in San Diego it's actually the least expense thanks to illegal immigration.

We have the sun, the land and cheap labor.

once it's legal San Diego is gonna be a huge producer.

Sunshine dolla's

 

[Hydrosun]

Notice I said 90% are mexcian illegals.

The other 10% white folks are educated and the ones calling the shots.

San Diego produces 50% of the avocados for the entire nation.

They are the best quality and grown by illegal mexicans but a select few white guys are the "brains" behind the op and rake in the cash.

The illegals are just the labor, which has always been the biggest expense of any business yet here in San Diego it's actually the least expense thanks to illegal immigration.

We have the sun, the land and cheap labor.

once it's legal San Diego is gonna be a huge producer.

You are not only offensive to those of your own mindset you are encouraging everyone under the sun to understand that ANYONE on the globe is a better human than you and the term "illegal" in reference to a person living and working is immoral.

I would gladly employ any living human and then close shop before ever looking to you for productivity.

Peace,

 

[kmk420kali]

Keep dreaming bro--
Cannabis Growers need "Loyalty & Honesty"...this will not come from there--
I would be more worried about the Japanese...they are far better at perfecting a craft--

 

[Blue Dot]

Hydrosun, I'm just stating reality.

Don't believe me, come on down for a visit sometime.

I've traveled all over this country and even cali and I understand that it's hard for people to actually understand what's happening in San Diego but it doesn't make it not true just because they don't believe san diego was built on the backs of illegal mexicans.

 

[Blue Dot]

Keep dreaming bro--
Cannabis Growers need "Loyalty & Honesty"...this will not come from there--
I would be more worried about the Japanese...they are far better at perfecting a craft--

Oh, I agree 100% Mr Miagi. Seriously, no joke.

But it's not gonna be legal in Japan, it's gonna be legal here.

 

[Hydrosun]

Check my thread. I sat field level and watched the Bronco's beat my Chargers. I smoke three diff types of CA med weed in the lot before the game and not one was half my PK, but I am pretty sure I mentioned this already in this thread.

Peace,

 

[Greyskull]

I challenge you to put an ad in the paper tomorrow looking for a job to grow a plant (any kind of plant) and have someone hire you for $40/hr.

someone i know is already 'consulting' a 6k crop for a local coop/club/dispensary. everything equipment wise was provided - all he has to do is tend the plants. he's getting 25% of the final weight. this is a guy who routinely gets 1.5per light on his own. if everything works out for him and the crop does as planned, there will be a total of 9lbs produced - 2.25 will be his. he figured the crop will take 60 days to finish, 10 days to dry - 70 days total. the end product will be valued at $4k per lb... so thats $9k in product (2.25lbs) for tending a garden for 70 days, which he works 3-4 hrs per day. 4hr x 70 days = 280hrs. $9000/280hrs = 32.14 per hr. apparently - at least to the people 'paying' him, he;s pretty good at what he does. its not $40per hor though, so i guess you're right on that point.... haha

 

[WokkaWokka!]

Most people are totally incapable of any original thoughts and they are the "worker bees" but of course not only mexicans, everyone. Most people should be happy that some go out of their way to achieve success and establish industry or trade that leads to employment. But my point would be at the very least, you must factor in all costs of materials and labor and incidentals. Then an appropriate pay for the skilled master gardners.. . Because "Quality comes ONLY from the personal connection of skilled growers." The best of the best indoor/greenhouse grown medicinal grade would be minimum $50 per ounce. I mean goddamn dude what about trimming the shit? It takes 4-8 hours per pound to trim pot and machines will NEVER be able to do a connoiseur grade trimming job! Americans have forgotten what a real wage was, it must pay enough for housing and food and living costs as well as savings/entertainment/personal things. At the end user stage it should be subsidized by insurance I agree.

Just saw that greyskull actually put in some numbers and gave us a real world figure to work with. I think I know my shit now point proven.

 

[kmk420kali]

I'm just staing reality.

Don't believe me, come on down for a visit sometime.

I've traveled all over this country and even cali and I understand that it's hard for people to actually understand what's happening in San Diego but it doesn't make it not true just because they don't believe san diego was built on the backs of illegal mexicans.

I live very close...a few more miles, and I would be a San Diegan....pls don't think I don't know about it-- I was Stationed down there also, and lived in IB for years--
It is no different, as far as illegal aliens go, than the rest of Cali-- Actually, San Jose...among many other Cities may even have more--
Just to clarify...I am not hating on illegals...nor any Race-- Just stating that they do not have the ability to pop off a large commercial grow, of top quality pot--

 

[Hydrosun]

And $32.14 an hour couldn't buy shit for a house in San Diego. Blue Dot will give him a house from the socialist / collectivist whole I guess.

Peace,

 

[kmk420kali]

Oh, I agree 100% Mr Miagi. Seriously, no joke.

But it's not gonna be legal in Japan, it's gonna be legal here.

But most of the Nurseries in Cali are Japanese owned-- (Not an official stat...but there are a frigging lot of them!!)

 

[Greyskull]

32.14 is just shy of $66k per year.... right now with the real estate market like it is, it might be able to buy a pretty nice place after all.

edit: my gardner is japanese. does great work.