Unclepeter
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I think its something Dj alluded to and is most prob where this started.
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Why does cannabis produce resin?
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I think its something Dj alluded to and is most prob where this started.
sam when you say more, do you mean more of the same cannabinoids/terpenoids or do you mean differet types??
VG
More of the same.
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This is my experience. Sam, unlike us old guys there are probably lots of readers who were not around for the copious amounts of seed laden cannabis being imported/exported which originated in Asia, Central and South America.
I never could understand how potheads and or stoners can make something so damn complicated.
So I like Sam will ask my questions and observations from what I have actually seen or done with my own hands.
All indoor growing allows us to do is to control the environment and do something in 2 months that outside would take 6-7.
If you took an indoor plant and used the same light cycle of the outdoor what do you think you might end up with?
MJ is a DOMINANT plant it's a weed it will adapt and it will grow damn near anywhere you put it as long as it gets light and water.
To say a plant can make more resin in 2 months than a plant can in 6-7 is kinda laughable if you think about it.
But hey it's all good as long as it works right?
But then again I'm a dumbass old time dirt farmer,but I have stayed at many Holiday Inn's.
Be Well
Mr.Wags
So I like Sam will ask my questions and observations from what I have actually seen or done with my own hands.
All indoor growing allows us to do is to control the environment and do something in 2 months that outside would take 6-7.
If you took an indoor plant and used the same light cycle of the outdoor what do you think you might end up with?
MJ is a DOMINANT plant it's a weed it will adapt and it will grow damn near anywhere you put it as long as it gets light and water.
To say a plant can make more resin in 2 months than a plant can in 6-7 is kinda laughable if you think about it.
But hey it's all good as long as it works right?
But then again I'm a dumbass old time dirt farmer,but I have stayed at many Holiday Inn's.
Be Well
Mr.Wags
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
actually, we grow heavily selected, and usually inbred, cultivars. modern cannabis is far from natural or "a weed". some varieties are a pain in the ass to grow, others have been selected to grow indoors. either way, this whole "marijuana is a weed" thing is far from the truth.
sodiumsunburn
Member
it's all about the wind
it's all about the wind
after wind blows pollen from the male, some pollen lands on pistils, some on sticky leaves(top and bottom). as the wind continues to blow, plants get blown around....leaves brush against pistils, transferring pollen and increasing the chances of fertilization. a calyx can catch pollen to increase the chance it's neighbor calyx will be fertilized.
males don't have many resin glands because they don't need to catch pollen, they need to get rid of it.
One of the main reasons we grow sinsemilla is to increase potency.....as the female goes unpollenated she pumps out more and more resin, along with more calyxes, as a desperate act to catch pollen.
just some food for thought.
it's all about the wind
after wind blows pollen from the male, some pollen lands on pistils, some on sticky leaves(top and bottom). as the wind continues to blow, plants get blown around....leaves brush against pistils, transferring pollen and increasing the chances of fertilization. a calyx can catch pollen to increase the chance it's neighbor calyx will be fertilized.
males don't have many resin glands because they don't need to catch pollen, they need to get rid of it.
One of the main reasons we grow sinsemilla is to increase potency.....as the female goes unpollenated she pumps out more and more resin, along with more calyxes, as a desperate act to catch pollen.
just some food for thought.
AFGHANICA79
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Why does our body produce endo cannabinoids? how similar are anandamide and thc. Are both derived from acids?. Can phyto cannabinoids regulate the cannabis plants system just the same way our ecs works. ????
Yes it's a weed, grows everywhere you put it, even atticks, closets, cupboards, computer casing and I don't know where else. Not only it's a weed, but it is THE weed. That's why we call it weed ! mwaaahahaha !
Pollen stuck on resin gland is of no use to the pistils, which are the organs specifically designed to catch the pollen. Lots and lots of tiny-tiny hairs on pistils, these are the pollen catchers.
Irie !
I agree with this 100%. More and more cannabis today is certainly not a weed as we continue to narrow the genepool. In fact, most of what folk refer to as 'elites' today have such a narrow window of environment in which they will perform that we may as well be attempting cacao trees with vanilla orchids wrapped around the trunk,,, in Alaska.
Maybe, but cannabis is much much much more than what has been done with it through breeding and selection work, with all the highly specialized results we enjoy growing in our closets, warehouse or backyards.
All the more or less commercial phenotypes we come accross nowadays are only a tiny-tiny fraction of what cannabis is. Finding a bear's hair is not finding the bear and we have dealt with a bunch of hairs at most so far... If not already done, go roam the Himalaya, you'll see by yourself that it behaves like a weed (the general meaning of "weed" being that of an unwanted plant growing on human-controlled setting, not sure it can apply to cannabis which is mostly wanted eheh, well not by everyone...).
As about narrowing the genepool, it happens, to a certain extent. Look at the genetics used in breeding works, the diversification of origins is ridiculously low and there are a whole bunch of countries with genetics which have never ever made their way to the breeding Western scene. Specializing a bunch of phenotypes is a drop in the ocean.
Irie !
All the more or less commercial phenotypes we come accross nowadays are only a tiny-tiny fraction of what cannabis is. Finding a bear's hair is not finding the bear and we have dealt with a bunch of hairs at most so far... If not already done, go roam the Himalaya, you'll see by yourself that it behaves like a weed (the general meaning of "weed" being that of an unwanted plant growing on human-controlled setting, not sure it can apply to cannabis which is mostly wanted eheh, well not by everyone...).
As about narrowing the genepool, it happens, to a certain extent. Look at the genetics used in breeding works, the diversification of origins is ridiculously low and there are a whole bunch of countries with genetics which have never ever made their way to the breeding Western scene. Specializing a bunch of phenotypes is a drop in the ocean.
Irie !
Thomkal Vwalaa
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The majority of us grow cultivars. Yes, cannabis exists in the wild as a weed. Cannabis is represented by both "drug type" cultivars and natural "weeds". Correction to my earlier statement: Cannabis is not either/or, it's both.
Heya VG, if you are into Michael Pollan at all, he thinks it's for the same reasons apples and potatoes evolved - they are manipulating us. The aromas are pleasing, the flowers attractive, and you have a receptor just for cannabinoids.
That's the story of where the plant is now. My intuition tells me the resin and trichomes originated as protection from insects. I may be influenced by the variety of plants from the drosera genus I cultivate. Their trichomes are much larger, and produce a sticky mucelage that traps and digests insects. They are my living sticky traps. And just like cannabis, the trichomes do not offer universal protection. They can still catch mites and aphids. Some have evolved special hairs called stipules as a separate protection from climbing insects, something all of us have seen. Some Cannabis seedlings are especially hairy. But i've also noticed that pests find it much easier to get around a bare leaf than one covered in trichs and resin.
Interestingly, some of these same plants are insect pollinated, so you have traps and flowers side by side. The flowers tend to have long scapes, but the research I've perused asserts that has nothing to do with keeping pollinators out of the trap.
Or maybe it was an anti-herbivory measure? We will never know for sure.
Is it a weed? I say no. Although it can grow in poor soil, cannabis seeds are very few per plant compared to what most of us call weeds. To me, a weed is a generalist and a pioneer - the first ones on the scene. The hallmark of a weed is very high production of seeds that spread far and wide - usually windborne. Weeds also enjoy the very wide fluctuations in nutrient availability found in "young" soils, while cannabis prefers a steadier diet such as is achieved in a more stable nutrient cycle (presumably the influence of soil fungi). I put cannabis a bit further down the order of succession, closer to maybe turnips or lettuce, and dependent on animals for spreading seeds around. Weeds are closer to entropy, and cannabis is a step towards complexity.
That's the story of where the plant is now. My intuition tells me the resin and trichomes originated as protection from insects. I may be influenced by the variety of plants from the drosera genus I cultivate. Their trichomes are much larger, and produce a sticky mucelage that traps and digests insects. They are my living sticky traps. And just like cannabis, the trichomes do not offer universal protection. They can still catch mites and aphids. Some have evolved special hairs called stipules as a separate protection from climbing insects, something all of us have seen. Some Cannabis seedlings are especially hairy. But i've also noticed that pests find it much easier to get around a bare leaf than one covered in trichs and resin.
Interestingly, some of these same plants are insect pollinated, so you have traps and flowers side by side. The flowers tend to have long scapes, but the research I've perused asserts that has nothing to do with keeping pollinators out of the trap.
Or maybe it was an anti-herbivory measure? We will never know for sure.
Is it a weed? I say no. Although it can grow in poor soil, cannabis seeds are very few per plant compared to what most of us call weeds. To me, a weed is a generalist and a pioneer - the first ones on the scene. The hallmark of a weed is very high production of seeds that spread far and wide - usually windborne. Weeds also enjoy the very wide fluctuations in nutrient availability found in "young" soils, while cannabis prefers a steadier diet such as is achieved in a more stable nutrient cycle (presumably the influence of soil fungi). I put cannabis a bit further down the order of succession, closer to maybe turnips or lettuce, and dependent on animals for spreading seeds around. Weeds are closer to entropy, and cannabis is a step towards complexity.
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I was going to joke that the reason for resin is to glue mexi brick together which lead me to consider a "natural brick" scenario in which an armsized bud gets trampled. With the achenes all stuck inside the flattened flower, animals would be less likely to eat or smash them. In any case, a sticky bud could provide protection for achenes post plant death. This could be protection from any number of things which could prevent germination, including rot and mould. Has anyone witnessed achenes to germinate from within a bud? Could remaining in the bud delay germination if it is compressed naturally?
This is a very poor understanding of plant succession. Just as weeds give way to grasses, cannabis gives way to the next succession if resources and luck allow for additional complexity. Those purple deadnettles, plantain, dandelions, ground ivy, and mugwort in your yard might seem "dominant", but they are merely in the right place at the right time. Give them long enough and provide resources, and they eventually work themselves out of a job. Alongside cole crops in well developed soil with no deficiencies, they get trounced. Same goes with cacti and succulents - many will do great in fertile and well hydrated soil, but they just can't compete with the plants that belong there. On their turf though, they are last one standing.
Fungal:bacterial ratio for happy cannabis is closer to tomatoes, not weeds.
From experience, draught and caterpillars are what makes my plants (or particular buds on them) produce more resin. This might apply to other insects but my usual trouble are these.
If you look closely at a caterpiller on a bud, it is trying to find a way between the trichomes to get a snap at the fresh parts of the bud and bore inside. Its body might be all in resin but its head definitely avoids the trichomes. In response to the chewing, buds become very frosty, though in poo and mould.
I don't know if plants react in (slightly?) different way to different stresses, but being chewed a little here and there seems to be good
If you look closely at a caterpiller on a bud, it is trying to find a way between the trichomes to get a snap at the fresh parts of the bud and bore inside. Its body might be all in resin but its head definitely avoids the trichomes. In response to the chewing, buds become very frosty, though in poo and mould.
I don't know if plants react in (slightly?) different way to different stresses, but being chewed a little here and there seems to be good
sodiumsunburn
Member
True, it is of no use to the pistils directly, but you have to look beyond the "basics". As the wind blows and the plant brushes against itself, the pollen caught on resinous leaves gets transferred from the resin glands to pistils....kind of like someone squirting lotion in their hands and then rubbing it on their face.
Wind pollinated plants rely heavily on chance and favorable conditions. Having leaves "assist" in the catching of pollen, increases the overall odds of pollination.
