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Why do the most popular varieties come from American breeders?
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I Care
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I got a fortune off a tea bag recently , said that people look forward to the good old days. For us America's, there weren’t any grow shops selling clones in the good days, I think that’s why we ended up with so much good puffage. I do imagine with that there’s a lot of trendy stuff going on that is worthy of a good bashing. I’m grateful for the selection of flavorful puffages.
It's because since 1996 there have been medical Cannabis laws in USA letting people grow huge quantities of cannabis , 99 plant count , trade , build a network, a community, etc etc.
Plus it's a huge country with many well known States with big Canna networks, California, Colorado , Maine , even florida and that was over 20 years ago even before widestate medical or recreational law, now half of all states of USA have medical or recreational Canna laws and people have really opened up the Canna world in USA like we never seen before with networking very easy under medical and especially recreational.
Plus like mentioned stupid Dutch laws have taken once Amsterdam the mecca of Cannabis to the worst city ever to try get flowers or seeds.
Harsh laws on growers, growshops, breeders have made the Dutch almost give up completely and just get same old product flowers/seeds from commercial gangs with all same old with different names.
years back there were world class growers l/breeders who would supply coffeshops with amazing flowers/ seeds and now there zero legendary growers left in Amsterdam and seeds are bought in commercially from mass producers in Spain.
We dream of legalisation in Holland and UK to really let us get to work and build a network like USA has done since medical 96 up to now with many states with Recreational programs where anyone over 21 can access legal Cannabis medical or not.
Holland has started a legal program to grow Canna and supply to the coffeshops with people like Karma Genetics on board so hopefully this is the start of something good and will bring some quality flowers back to coffeshops in Holland and especially Amsterdam
Plus it's a huge country with many well known States with big Canna networks, California, Colorado , Maine , even florida and that was over 20 years ago even before widestate medical or recreational law, now half of all states of USA have medical or recreational Canna laws and people have really opened up the Canna world in USA like we never seen before with networking very easy under medical and especially recreational.
Plus like mentioned stupid Dutch laws have taken once Amsterdam the mecca of Cannabis to the worst city ever to try get flowers or seeds.
Harsh laws on growers, growshops, breeders have made the Dutch almost give up completely and just get same old product flowers/seeds from commercial gangs with all same old with different names.
years back there were world class growers l/breeders who would supply coffeshops with amazing flowers/ seeds and now there zero legendary growers left in Amsterdam and seeds are bought in commercially from mass producers in Spain.
We dream of legalisation in Holland and UK to really let us get to work and build a network like USA has done since medical 96 up to now with many states with Recreational programs where anyone over 21 can access legal Cannabis medical or not.
Holland has started a legal program to grow Canna and supply to the coffeshops with people like Karma Genetics on board so hopefully this is the start of something good and will bring some quality flowers back to coffeshops in Holland and especially Amsterdam
Some great views and insights guys.... soo glad i got my self a spell checker lol but I think i still agree with my 2018 self .... altho all the American strains and trends have proliferated,... Europe is still the place to go for sativa . Ace, the real seed company, ojd,even greenhouse seeds with their ultra hazes....anyone looking to explore the sativa side of the spectrum needs to look to Europe
Asentrouw
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I doubt this State sanctioned cannabis will bring much good. The Dutch State still criminalizes cannabis, but just allows some specialized companies to grow it. It's only a new mean of the authorities to regularize the cannabis market more and get a hold on things, as the supply at the backdoor of the coffeeshops is now still illegal (so there is no oversight by the State on quality, income, tax, etc.).
They should just legalize growing all together, so people are no longer dependend on the shops and can supply themselves and friends if they want. That would also take care of most of the criminality involved these days. But for them the repressive laws remain in place (with excesses like people with cancer being kicked out of their house because of 5 plants as the sad result) .
But back on topic now.
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Yes I agree with everything and also agree should go to legalisation but this new Dutch project surely the flowers can't be worse than what's currently been available in the coffeshops ? , anything is better than the current situation.I doubt this State sanctioned cannabis will bring much good. The Dutch State still criminalizes cannabis, but just allows some specialized companies to grow it. It's only a new mean of the authorities to regularize the cannabis market more and get a hold on things, as the supply at the backdoor of the coffeeshops is now still illegal (so there is no oversight by the State on quality, income, tax, etc.).
They should just legalize growing all together, so people are no longer dependend on the shops and can supply themselves and friends if they want. That would also take care of most of the criminality involved these days. But for them the repressive laws remain in place (with excesses like people with cancer being kicked out of their house because of 5 plants as the sad result) .
But back on topic now.
At least let the Dutch buy quality flowers from coffeshops if they are not allowed to grow , especially medical patients
TheDarkStorm
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I'd say its more to do with the main commercial cannabis industry moving from Holland to the usa...You got a bigger population and market in one place now, legal (holland was allways in a grey area legality wise) and more people to buying in to the hype than ever... Just cuz something is deemed poppular it dont mean its the greatest....Alot more rubbish being pumped into the hands of the public too and alsorts of rubbish knowledge, education and lies more than ever.....while big corperations are laughing thinking their clever.
There are American breeders that have been collecting genetics from the early SSSC offerings long before medical or legalization, the chem guys, guys like Ak Bean Brains that also has a lot of old Alaskan varieties, guys working the 80's NL and hashplants, a lot of them have extensive catalogs, it's definitely not the cookies crap, almost every region/state known for weed in the US has breeders pumping out fire, people complaining about there not being sativa must have never heard of the haze bros? Or Dj Short and his Thai based lines
CannaT
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In order for something to grow, it needs to have conditions, the better the conditions for growth, the better the results. American breeders in let's call it the 2nd wave of American breeding because Dutch genetics are actually American as far as we know history. They picked the already sufficiently selected Dutch genetics and continued to work according to preferences. Today's American genetics is just a continuation of the same American genetics, which spent a period of its development in the Netherlands. In the beginning there were 3 seed banks The seed bank, Lowland seed company and SSSC. No one cares about LSC that is the company that sold hybrids of weed that was smoked in the Netherlands real landraces from the rest of the world before the arrival of Sam and "Skunk" seeds. Rest is history and that's it. One day we will maybe know where these genetics come from. But im 100% sure its maximum what you can get out of cannabis plant for smoking.
Genetics from surfers and military and Mexico, was the base. The paraquat spraying in Mexico could have encouraged an increase in domestic production. Then, in my opinion and experience, it was the great 'trader daze' @2002, that was the boost for many of today's seedbanks.
For my generation to get past the govt lies, i think it was the vietnam war that changed the minds of thousands. Guys were coming back from asia with a whole new mindset about cannabis. Progressive states, like California, Az(briefly), and Colorado were critical. Hispanic immigration must have had some impact on softening the attitudes of the general population.
As far as quality of genetics...my guess would be 'shear volume', in order to discover the 'elite' clones. That, combined with legality problems that put more pressure on growers to actually look for their 'grail' mother in seed packs. Also, there were so many crosses going on, the variety of highs and flavors bloomed.
Rebellious attitudes of the hippy generation, lots of idle land, lighting changes...many many contributing factors.
For my generation to get past the govt lies, i think it was the vietnam war that changed the minds of thousands. Guys were coming back from asia with a whole new mindset about cannabis. Progressive states, like California, Az(briefly), and Colorado were critical. Hispanic immigration must have had some impact on softening the attitudes of the general population.
As far as quality of genetics...my guess would be 'shear volume', in order to discover the 'elite' clones. That, combined with legality problems that put more pressure on growers to actually look for their 'grail' mother in seed packs. Also, there were so many crosses going on, the variety of highs and flavors bloomed.
Rebellious attitudes of the hippy generation, lots of idle land, lighting changes...many many contributing factors.
TrainingHay
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Everyone thinks Cali weed is amazing except Cali?
A Pseudo-Scientific Analysis of Why Rec Weed Sucks
Someone had to say it: you’re all smoking the reggie that invented reggie.
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And Cali ex pats.
You Cali guys have been sniffing your own asses for too long. The only good genetics in the US come from South of the cow fields, North of the swamps. Something special about that land, that all the Cali "experts" keep talking about and not talking about at the same time. The only thing rolling off the mountain in California is ransacked trimmer purses and assorted duct taped corpses. LA is a shithole, not a swamp. Your Cannabis experts are nothing more than crime experts.
Someone feels attacked.Everyone thinks Cali weed is amazing except Cali?
A Pseudo-Scientific Analysis of Why Rec Weed Sucks
Someone had to say it: you’re all smoking the reggie that invented reggie.
And Cali ex pats.
You Cali guys have been sniffing your own asses for too long. The only good genetics in the US come from South of the cow fields, North of the swamps. Something special about that land, that all the Cali "experts" keep talking about and not talking about at the same time. The only thing rolling off the mountain in California is ransacked trimmer purses and assorted duct taped corpses. LA is a shithole, not a swamp. Your Cannabis experts are nothing more than crime experts.
Say whatever you want, but I hate to break it you, this whole weed industry was built off the backs of criminals and outlaws.
And regardless of your feelings what I stated is simply the truth.
You tell me one line that has come out in the last 15-20 years that changed the market that didn't come from California and I'll take back everything I said.
I'll be waiting.....
Vote this guy for president, he knows what's whatEveryone thinks Cali weed is amazing except Cali?
A Pseudo-Scientific Analysis of Why Rec Weed Sucks
Someone had to say it: you’re all smoking the reggie that invented reggie.
And Cali ex pats.
You Cali guys have been sniffing your own asses for too long. The only good genetics in the US come from South of the cow fields, North of the swamps. Something special about that land, that all the Cali "experts" keep talking about and not talking about at the same time. The only thing rolling off the mountain in California is ransacked trimmer purses and assorted duct taped corpses. LA is a shithole, not a swamp. Your Cannabis experts are nothing more than crime experts.
TheDarkStorm
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Id like to know what happened to that hvpd (or what ever the virus was called) bud as it was supposed to have been a large amount of mothers and plants affected...and it had been going around some time...and we know tons got put in the system before people behind the scenes addmited their plants were actually fkd and putting out very low quality stuff... how none of these people buying and going through what was coming from these places all this tons of virus infected fkd weed didn't pick up on it and thought it was great...and didnt realise the drastic drop in quality and basically a large percentage was below even average weed.....simply amazing....are are some really that easily sold on hype and names and looks and thc numbers some of which must of obviously been getting fabricated....It says alot about the commercial industry there....and every were else...how market trends, looks, media, smoke and mirrors and manipulation can bend and shape what people think and believe....eg there made to believe some of the most commercial and most used stuff is exotic and different just cuz that label is used and it gets marketed as such....but thats popularity to for you....the most fashionable in thing...not necessarily the best...same goes in all industries.
ILoveWeed138
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God is cursing all the shitty polyhybrids I think. And the greedy money makers.
xtsho
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It's basically just marketing and a concerted effort by those here in the states to discredit European breeders for at least the last decade. I've never bought anything from a US breeder and I still have genetics as good or better than some USA Instagram hyped up strains with cartoon names and packaging as if it meant for small children. Many couldn't tell the difference in a blind taste test between half of them because there isn't much difference other than the name.
Half the people claiming European genetics are no good have never even grown any. Many wait up all night to pay $50 a seed for some "drop" of something called "Super Stardust Chocolate Cookie Haze Berry Cake" that claims to have 38% THC and finishes in 6 weeks from some shady US outfit.
Half the people claiming European genetics are no good have never even grown any. Many wait up all night to pay $50 a seed for some "drop" of something called "Super Stardust Chocolate Cookie Haze Berry Cake" that claims to have 38% THC and finishes in 6 weeks from some shady US outfit.
Mithridate
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I Care
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Hey now, God doesn’t curse people. Don’t be like that, people curse themselves.
Wow, someone knew there was something wrong in 99. Bet that it has been coming through in seeds. I bet it’s in all the boof that started appearing in large quantities in 2012. While all the states were slacking on their laws and persecuting growers, billions of dollars were funneling into cali. It really pissed me off when I realized how much money was being taken out of states and going to boof factories.
