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SmokeRings
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What makes you assume I havent had LR? Ive had both pure LR and LR x AK47, both SHIT. Im entitled to my opinion as much as the rest of you, and my opinion is that low ryder SUCKS. THATS WHY YOU HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING IT, there's no demand to grow that nasty ass schwag. If LR was killer smoke, everyone would carry it. LR sucks balls for potency. And anything you cross with it will suck balls too. Just say no to Rudy. Now I assume im going to have one or two people get all upset about this and say duuh i grew low ryder and it was bomb ass smoke. Tell you what- grow some C99 or White Widow, then compare the smoke to LR and tell me with a straight face that they're just as good. Im tired of all these damn noobs who havent grown shit arguing with me with their little internet-learned knowledge. If you cant handle my opinion, use the ignore button, thanks.
Edit: to the haters, maybe if you had grown strains that were actually worthy you'd be able to tell how bad it sucks. And further more, I understand that some people *kids growing in the computer cases, outdoor in alaska* will find low ryder appropriate for their situation, but does that mean I should bullshit and lie to them and say yeeaaah bro, grow that low ryder its damn good stuff? Fuck no. The only reason im telling them the truth is so that they dont waste their money on this crap unless they absolutely have to.
Edit: to the haters, maybe if you had grown strains that were actually worthy you'd be able to tell how bad it sucks. And further more, I understand that some people *kids growing in the computer cases, outdoor in alaska* will find low ryder appropriate for their situation, but does that mean I should bullshit and lie to them and say yeeaaah bro, grow that low ryder its damn good stuff? Fuck no. The only reason im telling them the truth is so that they dont waste their money on this crap unless they absolutely have to.
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Old Man Time
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ShroomDr said:
Because IMO a true cannabis plant should only flower under 12.
Our 20 hour days are just perfect for vegative growth. We go for pounds in greenhouses.....not grams.
It just doesnt make sense.
It was just a thought.
There are many other 'reasons' for growing it, that was just one.
And your 'opinion' of a true cannabis plant?
(without confusing or getting into the the Lowryder is Hemp Thread)
Hemp is cannabis, it will flower when ever, but its still 'true cannabis'
Maybe you want your drug strains to be 12/12, but i can't really figure out why?
All cannabis was once wild; some flowered under 12/12, some traveled north (or south) and learned to flower under different conditions.
So your either secretly hating on AF's, or you have some sort of hate for botanical evolution.
There are many other 'reasons' for growing it, that was just one.
And your 'opinion' of a true cannabis plant?
(without confusing or getting into the the Lowryder is Hemp Thread)
Hemp is cannabis, it will flower when ever, but its still 'true cannabis'
Maybe you want your drug strains to be 12/12, but i can't really figure out why?
All cannabis was once wild; some flowered under 12/12, some traveled north (or south) and learned to flower under different conditions.
So your either secretly hating on AF's, or you have some sort of hate for botanical evolution.
SmokeRings
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What he probably meant to say was its not a true drug strain- the drug strains we're accustomed to are cannabis indica and cannabis sativa, because of their higher levels of psychoactive material. but Cannabis Ruderalis- which is were low ryder was derived from- is not really accepted as being a decent 'drug' strain due to its natural tendancy to produce low levels of psychoactive compounds. Im convinced that the AF gene and lack potency are linked, ive personally never had a potent AF smoke, and ive yet to see anyone rave about one. Try this- take your most devastating clone mother, and cross her out with low ryder, then grow and smoke the offspring. I bet anything you want that you'll find the cross is a disappointment. Poor starting genetics -> Poor finished product
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Lord Doobie
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I investigated the first LR and initially read you couldn't gets seeds from it making it a dead end strain. I also read it tasted horrible, had low yield & potency, and basically blew.
Now I'm reading about the new hybrids with nothing but good reviews for this size of autoflower.
But I also read that you're probably better off just growing an indica for higher yield, better taste, and higher potency.
comments?
Now I'm reading about the new hybrids with nothing but good reviews for this size of autoflower.
But I also read that you're probably better off just growing an indica for higher yield, better taste, and higher potency.
comments?
Tirs
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I dont see what the problem would be with flowering a widely agreed potent indica at 12/12 straight from clone. It would be just as short, yield just as much, (probably more) and you'd have the mother so no need to bother with seeds or culling males and you could be assured of quality with every grow. In fact do a mini sog. I can't see the reason for LR other than novelty....
I do have to say though, I do not believe the autoflowering trait is linked to weak potency. Low THC levels and autoflowering both show up together merely because plants farther from the equator show an increasing trend towards these two traits, but for seperate reasons. From time to time you'll hear about someone finding an autoflowering plant in a strain traditionally considered non autoflowering. These freaks smoke just as well as their siblings, which serves to illustrate that the genes for potency and autoflowering are not linked.
I do have to say though, I do not believe the autoflowering trait is linked to weak potency. Low THC levels and autoflowering both show up together merely because plants farther from the equator show an increasing trend towards these two traits, but for seperate reasons. From time to time you'll hear about someone finding an autoflowering plant in a strain traditionally considered non autoflowering. These freaks smoke just as well as their siblings, which serves to illustrate that the genes for potency and autoflowering are not linked.
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I think the point some folks are missing is the fact that if you don't have an indoor operation, much opportunity to grow outside due to space limitations, and would like to grow some pot, THEN lowryder is a good choice. Dude..nobody's telling you that you SHOULD grow it out if you've got an indoor/greenhouse operation..it doesn't make "cents". It's got its place in the cannabis world, and considering it hasn't been around that long(i'm not talking about ruderalis here), it's come a long way..with a long way to go..it's alot better than people give it credit for. Personally, about half of the "chronic" I've had in my life wasn't as good as a properly grown lowryder by the time it reached me. Granted, I didn't get the BEST dank..but it was good. Take 2 hits instead of one, make a gravity bong, vape it, use a steamroller..whatever you need to do..it WILL fuck you up...and in 60 days.
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old man time- my friend lives in the northern interior of alaska and the greenhouse thing doesnt fly with him. he's even tried simulating 12/12 cycle outside, but it doesn't cut it for him. the lowryder hybrids however, are a novelty for him to use in the summer. of course they don't compare to his catpiss and sour diesel. not everyone can grow indoors or have big greenhouses making pounds.
"THATS WHY YOU HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING IT, there's no demand to grow that nasty ass schwag."
first four websites i tried all have it: seed boutique, growshopalien, dr chronic, cannabean, and it is constantly getting relisted on seedbay. to say there is no demand for it is complete bullshit. can you post some pics of your lowryder?
also, no one ever claimed it to be more potent than anything, its just a blessing to people who cant grow due to security and climate issues.
as for the examples you gave, i dont think white widow is good. i dont go around saying "it sucks hairy balls" because i dont want to be a fucking troll. to each his own.
"THATS WHY YOU HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING IT, there's no demand to grow that nasty ass schwag."
first four websites i tried all have it: seed boutique, growshopalien, dr chronic, cannabean, and it is constantly getting relisted on seedbay. to say there is no demand for it is complete bullshit. can you post some pics of your lowryder?
also, no one ever claimed it to be more potent than anything, its just a blessing to people who cant grow due to security and climate issues.
as for the examples you gave, i dont think white widow is good. i dont go around saying "it sucks hairy balls" because i dont want to be a fucking troll. to each his own.
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BLunTeD4LifE
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lowryder has got its place in the growing scene imo...
i tried them out at the begining of this year to see what all the fuss was about... and tbh,, i was really dissapointed with the smoke...
i yielded 20grammes from one plant, and 18 from the other 2... barely any resin on any of them.... i definitely wont be growing any pure lowryder again...
i think AF strains are ok to grow while ur waiting on ur main harvest to finish up,,, i certainly wouldnt use Lowryder or a lowryder cross as my main crop thats for sure....
and they are ok for ppl who wanna grow in small stealthy enviroments... thats about it....
::edit:: furthermore,, isnt ruderalis on its own pure ditchweed with extremely low quantitys of resin??
i tried them out at the begining of this year to see what all the fuss was about... and tbh,, i was really dissapointed with the smoke...
i yielded 20grammes from one plant, and 18 from the other 2... barely any resin on any of them.... i definitely wont be growing any pure lowryder again...
i think AF strains are ok to grow while ur waiting on ur main harvest to finish up,,, i certainly wouldnt use Lowryder or a lowryder cross as my main crop thats for sure....
and they are ok for ppl who wanna grow in small stealthy enviroments... thats about it....
::edit:: furthermore,, isnt ruderalis on its own pure ditchweed with extremely low quantitys of resin??
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Old Man Time
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ShroomDr said:
lol@hate for botanical evolution.
No man....got me wrong....not hatin. But AF is not a trait I would pay for. It would contradict every rule in growing and breeding IMO.
Hemp is a sativa....yes. But you dont see it being auctioned and smoke reported on. And it doesnt just flower "when ever". It takes 12 hrs of dark.
LR is a ruderalis....and I find it disturbing to be breeding it with tip top strains (haze). It seems that would be going backwards.
Of course I enjoy my herb on a 12/12 cycle. It is the way mother nature intended it. As she intended LR....but as a seperate species of cannabis....thats where it should be left. Not crossed....and god forbid...seeded and sold....arggg!!!
High&Lonesome said:
"northern interior"
Thats your friends problem.....not much grows outdoors in tundra.
Im in matsu. I have a greenhouse. I have grown much weed and finished it inside a greenhouse. But indoors is where its at. I dont claim to speak for weed growing alaskans....but if lowryder is being grown here.....it should be kept as you put it...."a novelty". My beef is with breeding the AF trait.
I prefer to keep it real
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old man time- like i said, he is mainly an indoor grower. he just likes to see it outside in its natural environment. do you force flower in a greenhouse? im interested because im planning on moving up there. its absolutely gorgeous!
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Geez, the guy just asked where he could get some Lowryder beans and a load of folks went off on one about how rubbish Lowryder is.
I;ll be the first to admit that Lowryder isn't all that great, it isn't all that potent and isn;t completely stable, but you can produce nice buds from Lowryder. The flavour is pleasant and its a mellow high, a good daytime smoke. Buds are very dense and pretty frosty. I'd get Masterlow or Powerstout in preference to Lowryder though.
My best pure Lowryder from the last run of it:
I;ll be the first to admit that Lowryder isn't all that great, it isn't all that potent and isn;t completely stable, but you can produce nice buds from Lowryder. The flavour is pleasant and its a mellow high, a good daytime smoke. Buds are very dense and pretty frosty. I'd get Masterlow or Powerstout in preference to Lowryder though.
My best pure Lowryder from the last run of it:
Old man, dont quote me, but i thought wild Hemp autoflowered and 12/12 was not really a prerequisite. Now im not sure, but I dont really care, cause hemp sould be a bio-fuel, not a drug strain.
I think people get there expectation up with lowryder. Its a day smoke, not a couch-lock.
Newbs grow it, and end up unhappy because they wanted a narcotic type drug, and lowryder does not quailfy for that. Lowryder was (i think there is a 2.0version now) ONLY stablized to Auto flower. So some beans were potent, and some where closer to there wild AF relatives.
Not being able to easily clone, means if you want to continue growing LR you need to seed all your females with different males on different branches.
Smoke report the female buds, and use the seeds from your most potent plant to contunue your LR experience.
^^^not exactly something a Newb would be inclined to do (seed my first harvest WTF), and half assing it (well, ill only seed one of my females) may not purpetuate the best qualities.
I think people get there expectation up with lowryder. Its a day smoke, not a couch-lock.
Newbs grow it, and end up unhappy because they wanted a narcotic type drug, and lowryder does not quailfy for that. Lowryder was (i think there is a 2.0version now) ONLY stablized to Auto flower. So some beans were potent, and some where closer to there wild AF relatives.
Not being able to easily clone, means if you want to continue growing LR you need to seed all your females with different males on different branches.
Smoke report the female buds, and use the seeds from your most potent plant to contunue your LR experience.
^^^not exactly something a Newb would be inclined to do (seed my first harvest WTF), and half assing it (well, ill only seed one of my females) may not purpetuate the best qualities.
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Lowryder is not related wild hemp, it probably doesn't even contain more than a tiny, tiny amount of ruderalis genes. The exact makeup is unknown, but it is thought to be Mighty Mite micro pheno x Closet Queen, the AF part of its makeup comes from the Mighty Mite.
Not all wild hemp autoflowers, in fact, most wild hemp doesn't. There are commercial industrial hemp strains available that AF. Ruderalis AFs, but not like Lowryder, it always has some veg time before flowering, Sensi's Ruderalis Indica usually get to 7-9 nodes before flowering.
Comparing Lowryder to wild hemp is like comparing apples and oranges, they are not the same thing at all, they may both be of the same species but they are not closely related, a bit like the way a poodle is related to a wolf.
Lowryder isn;t stable, but it isn't all that variable, there are two main phenos, a 6-inch one and a 12-inch one, there are also other, less common phenos including one that doesn;t AF, but that one isn't very common at all.
Not all wild hemp autoflowers, in fact, most wild hemp doesn't. There are commercial industrial hemp strains available that AF. Ruderalis AFs, but not like Lowryder, it always has some veg time before flowering, Sensi's Ruderalis Indica usually get to 7-9 nodes before flowering.
Comparing Lowryder to wild hemp is like comparing apples and oranges, they are not the same thing at all, they may both be of the same species but they are not closely related, a bit like the way a poodle is related to a wolf.
Lowryder isn;t stable, but it isn't all that variable, there are two main phenos, a 6-inch one and a 12-inch one, there are also other, less common phenos including one that doesn;t AF, but that one isn't very common at all.
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schroomdr- where i totally agree with you on the potency being inconsistent plant to plant, i think the high i got from my 3 females was pretty damn couchlock. then again, im a sativa enthusiast and only smoke indicas when i grow them to see what the fuss is all about. the couchlock i got from lowryder reminded me of a landrace afghani i grew a while back; mellow and happy.
edit: british hempire- you are right about sensi's ruderalis indica.in 2005, i grew a pack outside for shits and giggles and i was very unimpressed. i had an afghani, which to me grows slow that was 6 1/2 feet tall when my rud. indicas were still 2 feet tall.
as far as maturing, they sucked. different buds would be half-way mature but then the other half would be putting out white hairs and clear triches. to let them finish, it would have taken longer than regular plants, and half of the pot would have been overdone. i'll be the first to say that strain really sucks. the smoke was definately bland at best, it was given away.
edit: british hempire- you are right about sensi's ruderalis indica.in 2005, i grew a pack outside for shits and giggles and i was very unimpressed. i had an afghani, which to me grows slow that was 6 1/2 feet tall when my rud. indicas were still 2 feet tall.
as far as maturing, they sucked. different buds would be half-way mature but then the other half would be putting out white hairs and clear triches. to let them finish, it would have taken longer than regular plants, and half of the pot would have been overdone. i'll be the first to say that strain really sucks. the smoke was definately bland at best, it was given away.
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Surprising information. What are your sources?British_Hempire said:
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Can't remember exactly, think it was in the really huge Lowryder thread on overgrow. Joint Doc has always said that Lowryder contains a 'ruderalis type' strain in its mix, but has always refused to disclose the exact makeup. The ruderalis type was probably Mighty Mite.
Whatever the makeup, it took a lot of careful selection and inbreeding to get to lowryder, I think it took 9 generations.
Whatever the makeup, it took a lot of careful selection and inbreeding to get to lowryder, I think it took 9 generations.
"northern interior"
Thats your friends problem.....not much grows outdoors in tundra.
Im in matsu. I have a greenhouse. I have grown much weed and finished it inside a greenhouse. But indoors is where its at. I dont claim to speak for weed growing alaskans....but if lowryder is being grown here.....it should be kept as you put it...."a novelty". My beef is with breeding the AF trait.
I prefer to keep it real
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OMT - You Alaskan folks got it made. I've been trying to talk my wife into moving up there and she won't budge! I'm starting to call it my divorce plan. When she finally gets sick of me, she'll leave and I can too!!! She doesn't seem to understand that I won't goto jail for growing pot up there. If she does, she's not too concerned about it.
But hey! Best of luck to all of you. Just started some LR's myself. Hope they turn out nicely. We're selling our house, so I needed something a little easier to conceal. That and they looked like a bit of fun.
Thats your friends problem.....not much grows outdoors in tundra.
Im in matsu. I have a greenhouse. I have grown much weed and finished it inside a greenhouse. But indoors is where its at. I dont claim to speak for weed growing alaskans....but if lowryder is being grown here.....it should be kept as you put it...."a novelty". My beef is with breeding the AF trait.
I prefer to keep it real
[/QUOTE]OMT - You Alaskan folks got it made. I've been trying to talk my wife into moving up there and she won't budge! I'm starting to call it my divorce plan. When she finally gets sick of me, she'll leave and I can too!!! She doesn't seem to understand that I won't goto jail for growing pot up there. If she does, she's not too concerned about it.
But hey! Best of luck to all of you. Just started some LR's myself. Hope they turn out nicely. We're selling our house, so I needed something a little easier to conceal. That and they looked like a bit of fun.
