Who's watching the President Musk inauguration January 20?

[shiva82]

Orwell would shit himself

out of interest

orwell was a fabian society member and 1984 is more a fabian society manuscript of what their influence intended for humanity and one world order . he would probably be upset at the delay more than anything

 

[Hiddenjems]

You act like that amount is not obtainable to most Americans if they worked hard enough and were willing to risk it all.
Point is, most people like yourself don’t have the drive and are unwilling to take the risk

This, people are chicken shit.

My wife and I sold everything that wouldn’t fit in a car and moved thousands of miles away to an apartment we’d never seen to get treatment for our son. 10 years later I quit my job, maxed out all my credit and started a business. 10 years later, sold the business.

I started out with junkie parents, free lunch, a grandma, and high test scores. My parents were clean and successful by the time I was 8-10. All I ever saw around me was people overcoming, not this weak crybaby shit people preach now.

 

[xtsho]

Musk is keeping an eye on his property.

Elon Musk ‘living in cottage on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate’​

Mr Trump is said to have bragged to people that Mr Musk, the world’s richest man, is renting Banyan cottage – one of several smaller properties available for rent on the president-elect’s sprawling Palm Beach estate.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Musk is keeping an eye on his property.

Elon Musk ‘living in cottage on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate’​

Mr Trump is said to have bragged to people that Mr Musk, the world’s richest man, is renting Banyan cottage – one of several smaller properties available for rent on the president-elect’s sprawling Palm Beach estate.

I don’t think Elon owns any fancy houses.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

This, people are chicken shit.

My wife and I sold everything that wouldn’t fit in a car and moved thousands of miles away to an apartment we’d never seen to get treatment for our son. 10 years later I quit my job, maxed out all my credit and started a business. 10 years later, sold the business.

I started out with junkie parents, free lunch, a grandma, and high test scores. My parents were clean and successful by the time I was 8-10. All I ever saw around me was people overcoming, not this weak crybaby shit people preach now.

Absolutely! I think it’s easier for these people to complain about what others do or don’t do, instead of taking risks themselves.

It’s baffling how people complain about rich people profiting but never talk about the risk in investing it all. I bet they wouldn’t help cover any losses if things went bad but have no problem sticking their hand out.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Profit is neither bad or good until how it's made is known.

Much of Elon Musk wealth comes from unjust means. He's made a ton of money from government contracts and various forms of government protectionism. Elon Musk is a crony capitalist. Most billionaires are, at least in part.

There are basically two ways to make money, the economic means and the political means.

People that make money by actual free trade amongst willing people are using the economic means.

People that make money by or aided by the political means are using a form of forcible redistribution.

Franz Oppenheimer and Albert Jay Nock examine these distinctions, if anybody wants to learn about this.
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Below is an excerpt from an article by Gary Galles

sociologist Franz Oppenheimer. In The State, he contrasted the “political means” and the “economic means.”

“There are two fundamentally opposed means whereby man…is impelled to obtain the necessary means for satisfying his desires. These are work and robbery, one’s own labor and the forcible appropriation of the labor of others…I propose…to call one’s own labor and the equivalent exchange of one’s own labor for the labor of others, the ‘economic means’…while the unrequited appropriation of the labor of others will be called the ‘political means.'”

Oppenheimer directed his distinction toward developing the conquest theory of the state.

“All world history…presents…a contest…between the economic and the political means…The state is an organization of the political means…forced by a victorious group of men on a defeated group, with the sole purpose of regulating the dominion of the victorious group over the vanquished.”

Oppenheimer drew some very important conclusions about the relationship between the nature of society and the nature of the State.

“[A]lways, in its essence, is the ‘State’ the same. Its purpose…the political means… Its form…dominion.”
“Wherever opportunity offers, and man possesses the power, he prefers political to economic means.”
“By the ‘State,’ I do not mean the human aggregation…as it properly should be. I mean…that summation of privileges and dominating positions which are brought in to being by extra economic power…I mean by Society…all purely natural relations and institutions between man and man…”
“The ‘state’ is the fully developed political means, society the fully developed economic means…in the ‘freemen’s citizenship,’ there will be no ‘state’ but only ‘society.’”
“The ‘state’ of the future will be ‘society’ guided by self-government.”

Franz Oppenheimer’s insights were particularly influential on Albert Jay Nock. Particularly in Our Enemy the State, Nock expanded on them, arguing that the State (in contrast with the voluntary arrangements people make to live together, which he called government) was based on theft, so that “the State is fundamentally anti-social.”

“The State has said to society…I shall confiscate your power, and exercise it to suit myself.”
“The interests of the State and the interests of society…are directly opposed.”
“The State…has invariably, as Madison said, turned every contingency into a resource for depleting social power and enhancing State power.”
“There are two methods…whereby man’s needs and desires can be satisfied. One is the production and exchange of wealth…the economic means. The other is the uncompensated appropriation of wealth produced by others…the political means.”
“The State…is the organization of the political means…primarily a distributor of economic advantage, an arbiter of exploitation…an irresponsible and all‑powerful agency standing always ready to be put into use for the service of one set of economic interests as against another.”
“The State is not…a social institution administered in an anti‑social way. It is an anti‑social institution.”
“State power has an unbroken record of inability to do anything efficiently, economically, disinterestedly or honestly; yet when the slightest dissatisfaction arises over any exercise of social power, the aid of the agent least qualified to give aid is immediately called for.”
“Under a regime of actual individualism, actually free competition, actual laissez‑faire…a serious or continuous misuse of social power would be virtually impracticable.”

The distinction between the economic (voluntary) means and the political (coercive) means offers individuals a powerful tool in understanding society. As Nock wrote, “As long as the State makes the seizure of wealth a matter of legalized privilege, so long will the squabble for that privilege go on.” Therefore, restraining State power is essential to society, because “the weaker the State is, the less power it has to commit crime.” Having moved far along a mistaken path, recognizing that insight grows ever more important.

 

[xtsho]

Profit is neither bad or good until how it's made is known.

Much of Elon Musk wealth comes from unjust means. He's made a ton of money from government contracts and various forms of government protectionism. Elon Musk is a crony capitalist. Most billionaires are, at least in part.

There are basically two ways to make money, the economic means and the political means.

People that make money by actual free trade amongst willing people are using the economic means.

People that make money by or aided by the political means are using a form of forcible redistribution.

Franz Oppenheimer and Albert Jay Nock examine these distinctions, if anybody wants to learn about this.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Below is an excerpt from an article by Gary Galles

sociologist Franz Oppenheimer. In The State, he contrasted the “political means” and the “economic means.”

Oppenheimer directed his distinction toward developing the conquest theory of the state.

Oppenheimer drew some very important conclusions about the relationship between the nature of society and the nature of the State.

Franz Oppenheimer’s insights were particularly influential on Albert Jay Nock. Particularly in Our Enemy the State, Nock expanded on them, arguing that the State (in contrast with the voluntary arrangements people make to live together, which he called government) was based on theft, so that “the State is fundamentally anti-social.”

The distinction between the economic (voluntary) means and the political (coercive) means offers individuals a powerful tool in understanding society. As Nock wrote, “As long as the State makes the seizure of wealth a matter of legalized privilege, so long will the squabble for that privilege go on.” Therefore, restraining State power is essential to society, because “the weaker the State is, the less power it has to commit crime.” Having moved far along a mistaken path, recognizing that insight grows ever more important.

Your post is much too long for the musk fanboys with their limited attention span to read. Wait for their "You're just jealous" response. Simple minds only have simple responses.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Profit is neither bad or good until how it's made is known.

Much of Elon Musk wealth comes from unjust means. He's made a ton of money from government contracts and various forms of government protectionism. Elon Musk is a crony capitalist. Most billionaires are, at least in part.

There are basically two ways to make money, the economic means and the political means.

People that make money by actual free trade amongst willing people are using the economic means.

People that make money by or aided by the political means are using a form of forcible redistribution.

Franz Oppenheimer and Albert Jay Nock examine these distinctions, if anybody wants to learn about this.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Below is an excerpt from an article by Gary Galles

sociologist Franz Oppenheimer. In The State, he contrasted the “political means” and the “economic means.”

Oppenheimer directed his distinction toward developing the conquest theory of the state.

Oppenheimer drew some very important conclusions about the relationship between the nature of society and the nature of the State.

Franz Oppenheimer’s insights were particularly influential on Albert Jay Nock. Particularly in Our Enemy the State, Nock expanded on them, arguing that the State (in contrast with the voluntary arrangements people make to live together, which he called government) was based on theft, so that “the State is fundamentally anti-social.”

The distinction between the economic (voluntary) means and the political (coercive) means offers individuals a powerful tool in understanding society. As Nock wrote, “As long as the State makes the seizure of wealth a matter of legalized privilege, so long will the squabble for that privilege go on.” Therefore, restraining State power is essential to society, because “the weaker the State is, the less power it has to commit crime.” Having moved far along a mistaken path, recognizing that insight grows ever more important.

You’re just jealous

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Your post is much too long for the musk fanboys with their limited attention span to read. Wait for their "You're just jealous" response. Simple minds only have simple responses.

Certainly, sound bite, feel good answers and platitudes can persuade people of all persuasions to draw inaccurate conclusions.

 

[RobFromTX]

Your post is much too long for the musk fanboys with their limited attention span to read. Wait for their "You're just jealous" response. Simple minds only have simple responses.

You seem to be his biggest fan so far. I mean you started a thread about him

 

[Captain Red Eye]

You’re just jealous

 

[xtsho]

You seem to be his biggest fan so far. I mean you started a thread about him

Yes I did. As a citizen of the United States I find it concerning that any individual is able to have so much influence over the President of the United States. Especially one that contributed over $250 billion to trumps campaign and is now tasked with streamlining the United States government.

There's also the fact that musk is a terrible person who could care less about this country. It's nothing but a cash register for him. Now he owns the manager of the store.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

the fact that musk is a terrible person

Drawing conclusions about someone you never even met. Very intelligent

 

[RobFromTX]

Yes I did. As a citizen of the United States I find it concerning that any individual is able to have so much influence over the President of the United States. Especially one that contributed over $250 billion to trumps campaign and is now tasked with streamlining the United States government.

There's also the fact that musk is a terrible person who could care less about this country. It's nothing but a cash register for him. Now he owns the manager of the store.

Hey buddy if anything you're diverting the TDS patients to this thread.

Its a public service and i commend you for it

 

[xtsho]

Drawing conclusions about someone you never even met. Very intelligent

You really are uninformed.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Yes I did. As a citizen of the United States I find it concerning that any individual is able to have so much influence over the President of the United States. Especially one that contributed over $250 billion to trumps campaign and is now tasked with streamlining the United States government.

There's also the fact that musk is a terrible person who could care less about this country. It's nothing but a cash register for him. Now he owns the manager of the store.

My hope is that musks “vulgar display of power” lights a fire under the ass of congress to get money out of politics.

Make as much money as you want, all campaigns are publicly funded, all positions require the person to only make their govt salary for their time in office, and ban them from lobbying or working in industries they regulated for 10 years.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

You really are uninformed.

Yet you pretend to know so much about people you have never even seen with your own eyes. But please go on

 

[Hiddenjems]

Drawing conclusions about someone you never even met. Very intelligent

Having seen the media and plenty of cops lie, I try to hold off on the moral character judgements.

 

[armedoldhippy]

"You're just jealous" response. Simple minds only have simple responses.

it's the same shit you hear if you criticize The Chump over his multitude of faults/sins.. "he's rich, he's a star, you're just jealous..."

 

[RobFromTX]