Wholesale pot prices plummet. Now there starting to get better

[grow nerd]

I don't know about other parts of the state but you can count on the triangle to pump out the same or more than usual this year.

I don't know about the triangle but you can count on the other parts of the state to pump out the same or more than last year, and more every year until demand/profits are so slim they retire or pick up a new line of work.

 

[mendo-local]

I disagree; if I am getting top market price, I want people down the road to make a good earning so they have a stronger incentive to keep doing what they do for me.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I'm saying.... after I get my top dollar price my work is done. Make all the money you can.
Also the broker/middleman never sets the price for me. Ever.

 

[komboloi]

I don't know about the triangle but you can count on the other parts of the state to pump out the same or more than last year, and more every year until demand/profits are so slim they retire or pick up a new line of work.

Y'all just need to branch out geographically. Because of the WOD, there is a great arbitrage opportunity for those willing to spread out their acquisition focus. Good stuff is available nearby. Or just keep to Cali where supply outstrips demand, leave $$ on the table, and call that good.

 

[Shcrews]

I don't know about the triangle but you can count on the other parts of the state to pump out the same or more than last year, and more every year until demand/profits are so slim they retire or pick up a new line of work.

and in that case who/where else will be doin it? Cali will always be an ideal place to grow.

 

[90days]

It really pissed me off about all the commercial pitied flooding other states with low prices. I know that there is a good market for quality indoor still in the south, but nothing pissed me off more than people saying I only pay this much per oz and look how fire it smells. Then when I come back at them and say that it is b or c grade outdoors and that it is shifty quality they have nothing to say.

I really doing have a problem getting rid of flowers, but it boils my blood when these idiot think that they are so well connected. All think of is: good job moron you paid over 3 times more for a product that was less than a 1000 a unit before it left ca.

 

[Redbeardthewook]

I am glad to pay 36 all day for some of laytonville indoor (gods gift). Beats what I get out here in Colorado for 27 to 32 any day. People should be paid by the quality they put out. Fine wines sell for high dollar amounts why can't fine herb do the same.

 

[grow nerd]

and in that case who/where else will be doin it? Cali will always be an ideal place to grow.

A single large-ish vineyard sized grow can easily displace several town's of mom and pop growers, if not more.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

all depends on future federal laws…theres talks about a tax stamp program that would allow medical herb to leave the state legally to other med states somewhere down the line. if thats the case, CA herb will crush all competition. and as long as theres "nonmed" states there will always be smugglers.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

then call; me greedy

Hahaha you must only be growing one or two plants then sucker

 

[Aeroguerilla]

Yup, 5 lbs a plant, no problem. Right. Everytime. Especially with indoor.. Even 5000 usd, doesn't always work out that way outdoors. Botrytis, and other factors.

This is a classic argument, which won't be settled here. Bottom line, is The grower has the skills, nothing happens without them, so have respect - especially for high-quality product. And Brokers need to be less greedy, stop the extreme lowballing. We know the difference (which can make THE difference for a grower) just goes in your pocket.

Tired of the "You Guys should be making enough at ____ rate.. Right, go try grow, Brah...

Sounds like your getting low balled or your bud is b grade 3500 was a low figure to begin with. I seen 10 lb plants out your way small fry so don't give me that shit.

 

[mojave green]

room for evrybody but the gubmit!

 

[z-ro]

Hahaha you must only be growing one or two plants then sucker

Pretty sure his garden looks twice as good as yours...

 

[Aeroguerilla]

It should look 5x better then mine given the climate

 

[grow nerd]

Both of you guys are wrong.

I'd say it's only about tree fiddy times (3.5x) better.

Also: farmers don't complain about how Alejandro, Jose, and Paco are "making a killing" by running around hustling street corn/fruit carts in the 'hood.

 

[ghost0g]

It really pissed me off about all the commercial pitied flooding other states with low prices. I know that there is a good market for quality indoor still in the south, but nothing pissed me off more than people saying I only pay this much per oz and look how fire it smells. Then when I come back at them and say that it is b or c grade outdoors and that it is shifty quality they have nothing to say.

I really doing have a problem getting rid of flowers, but it boils my blood when these idiot think that they are so well connected. All think of is: good job moron you paid over 3 times more for a product that was less than a 1000 a unit before it left ca.

i agree andwere the ones getin the shitty end trying to force feed everyone this garbage to my patients being forced to lie like them im paying to take out there garbage and cornered into selling it like gold fucking pissed off at florida i hate this fucking state

 

[binaryfission]

I am glad to pay 36 all day for some of laytonville indoor (gods gift). Beats what I get out here in Colorado for 27 to 32 any day. People should be paid by the quality they put out. Fine wines sell for high dollar amounts why can't fine herb do the same.

all depends on future federal laws…theres talks about a tax stamp program that would allow medical herb to leave the state legally to other med states somewhere down the line. if thats the case, CA herb will crush all competition. and as long as theres "nonmed" states there will always be smugglers.

Emphasis added. Taking the wine nomenclature and applying it to cannabis; the terroir of CA is just better than anywhere else, in the world IMO. This is why the same grapes grown in different regions and even mountainsides can fetch exponentially more dollars. California and France are on the same latitude. They've built empires out of grapes. They sell Bordeaux futures. This is marketing, branding and salesmanship at its finest.

Since our product is in fact medicinal and recreational why shouldn't we take advantage of these same mechanisms to create value while protecting the longevity of our culture and cash flow.

 

[hup234]

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[JeanGreens]

CanniDo.. I grew up on a farm. Farmers do not set the prices, nor do any sort of market in the commercial aspect of farming. The packing sheds do. Del Monte, Green Giant, name any fruit or veggie packing company, and thats who sets the price. They set the price after you have planted your farm, after you have paid for all the sprays, fertilizers, as well as put in thousands of man hours of work. You cant determine if you going to make money or not until your produce is nearly ready to harvest.

So in many ways, this is, IMHO just like a grower. Prices go nuts, both high and low, but we are not forced to sell or ask for a donation for the product we grow. Its our choice. In the case of us growing for meds, we may decide to never let anything we grow leave our homes. If you decide you want to use a broker, I guess you need to decide what will cost you more. Do you use no broker and sell your product for less money, but actually get MORE money because your broker was over charging you, or do you use no broker and loose even more money because you dont know your crop value?

Who's to say? Interesting thought, maybe?

 

[warthog]

Hey at least we're not corn farmers,, right? HAHA

 

[binaryfission]

CanniDo.. I grew up on a farm. Farmers do not set the prices, nor do any sort of market in the commercial aspect of farming. The packing sheds do. Del Monte, Green Giant, name any fruit or veggie packing company, and thats who sets the price. They set the price after you have planted your farm, after you have paid for all the sprays, fertilizers, as well as put in thousands of man hours of work. You cant determine if you going to make money or not until your produce is nearly ready to harvest.

So in many ways, this is, IMHO just like a grower. Prices go nuts, both high and low, but we are not forced to sell or ask for a donation for the product we grow. Its our choice. In the case of us growing for meds, we may decide to never let anything we grow leave our homes. If you decide you want to use a broker, I guess you need to decide what will cost you more. Do you use no broker and sell your product for less money, but actually get MORE money because your broker was over charging you, or do you use no broker and loose even more money because you dont know your crop value?

Who's to say? Interesting thought, maybe?

This wasn't always the case and cannabis has some stark differences from traditional crops. The power striped from America's farmers is a history lesson for another day, but I will provide one example to the contrary: OceanSpray, the cranberry juice company. From wikipedia:

Ocean Spray is an agricultural cooperative of growers of cranberries and grapefruit headquartered in Lakeville/Middleborough, Massachusetts. It currently has over 700 member growers (in Massachusetts, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Oregon, Washington, Florida, British Columbia and other parts of Canada) as well as Lanco, Chile. The cooperative employs about 2,000 people, with sales of $2.2 billion in fiscal year 2013. Their products include cranberry sauce, fruit juices, fruit snacks, and dried cranberries.

If we can join together in a co-op type fashion we can keep the bigger money from picking us off one by one like they did the grain farmers of old. Unlike them, our product isn't worth pennies a pound and is NOT subsidized by the government therefore destroying the free market and our margins.

The farmers you speak of were forced to take loans against their crops before the season, and were subject to any manner of unscrupulous business practices. This isn't going to ever be the case for cannabis growers; especially medicinal ones. This isn't the 1920's and we should learn from the mistakes and success of others.

As for being forced to use a broker: vertical integration or Co-Op style price setting are the way to avoid this type of "brokerage" situation. Once value is given to the soil and the region through the marketing of its terroir then profits can be truly protected.

I mean build a grain silo. Hold the harvest till summer and boom 10%, 15%, 20% more profit. Takes discipline.