Wholesale pot prices plummet. Now there starting to get better

[Daub Marley]

I could spend days driving to multiple dispensaries to get 28+ but my time is better spent just growing more.

Well I understand that if you are a very large indoor grower but outdoor is seasonal, so they are crazy busy from spring to fall but the winter gives ample free time.
Sure you could do something else productive with your time, but I think people are missing the big picture. Its really about establishing your brand through connections, getting feedback, and learning from your customers and your competition. Nobody is going to represent the care that went into the product better than the growers themselves. You should take into account everything that affects your brand including price point, product placement, the jars their in, the shelf lighting etc.

 

[CaliGabe]

half the brokers are greedy fucks thinking they should make 5 X more then the grower

I used to be a broker. The focus on brokers being a problem is misdirected. In Cali if you make a point that's reasonable. If out of state a totally different ballgame. I used to get 5 points a lb and even then peeps were complaining. Considering I was fronting, dealing with high risk areas and being the one putting themselves in harms way I said fook it.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

its more risky to move the product across state lines than sit in CA with a med script producing it….thats why the brokers offer the price they do. if herb was only selling for 28 in new york (which some circles are getting that price point en masse) than most CA growers couldn't expect more than 2k per unit because the broker has to charge that margin to account for their risk.

I've been hearing some scary low prices back east makes me glad i dont deal with that shit….dudes in philly up to NY only wanting to pay 28 for indoors, usually they get light dep at that price and dont know the difference though. my homies who deal with all this shit are constantly stressed i doubt they could handle a growop on top of all the hustling they gotta do….different strokes for different folks. they want to ball out in the city, pop bottles and ride fancy cars, so they broker. id rather live on the mountain and live a quiet life, so i grow.

 

[ceosam]

its more risky to move the product across state lines than sit in CA with a med script producing it….thats why the brokers offer the price they do. if herb was only selling for 28 in new york (which some circles are getting that price point en masse) than most CA growers couldn't expect more than 2k per unit because the broker has to charge that margin to account for their risk.

I've been hearing some scary low prices back east makes me glad i dont deal with that shit….dudes in philly up to NY only wanting to pay 28 for indoors, usually they get light dep at that price and dont know the difference though. my homies who deal with all this shit are constantly stressed i doubt they could handle a growop on top of all the hustling they gotta do….different strokes for different folks. they want to ball out in the city, pop bottles and ride fancy cars, so they broker. id rather live on the mountain and live a quiet life, so i grow.

this is spot on... same story down here in south florida

 

[JointOperation]

If brokers are so greedy why do people use them? I'd guess that's either because they cannot logistically sell it all which would be hundreds of pounds or because their product is sub par quality and nobody is really interested in buying it and they need help. At least half of the growers out there are stupid, stubborn, and greedy and their quality sucks but they grow much more of it to sell, and that's a large factor in why dabbing is so popular. People starting turning their whole harvest of untrimmed plants into concentrates because they could not sell it as flowers. That supply could not be met just from the trimmings. IMO if you need a broker you're either too big or you got ahead of yourself.

not really .. if u need a broker.. maybe u just don't wana get caught selling it................ I know most of my friends who grow. they grow.. and there brothers.. or cousins. sell the bud.. its grown at 1 location. dried .. trimmed.. .cured.. and then brought to location 2 were he does the rest..

basicly a BROKER. I just think say u got the best shit around.. literally.. why would u sell it for 500 a LB .. when everyone else is selling it for 2000 a lb. and your bud is better? u tell me ?

I just don't like how.. say the broker wants pounds for 1000.. right. but then he goes n sells them for 3000. do u think it was a FAIR DEAL? or do u think growers should atleast make the same.. if not more then the broker..

that's like saying.. that the dealers on the street should be making more then the SUPPLIER..... think about gangs.. if u made more then your BOSS.. your boss would either kill u off. or want his cut..

like I said.. I just don't think that a broker should be making the same as a grower.. then the broker has no bills.. and the grower has TOns of money invested..

that's all.. that's like hiring employees to work at your company.. and they make more then you do ..... does that make sense? when u have the overhead.. you risk everything while growing.. you sleep outside at the end of the season in a tent to make sure ur shit don't get ripped.. you chop.. trim.. an dry an cure.. and need space to do that.. and u need space to grow inside to get your bitches ready for the outdoor season to get the most out of your plants..


I just think that growers should be making more then brokers.. brokers should be making anywere from half of wat a grower is making or about what the grower is making profit wise..

and if brokers keep thinking there job is more important.. SOON people will only allow there family and friends to sell there buds.. to keep the broker COSTS DOWN.. and keep there friends and family making the money instead of some asshole trying to scam you out of your nugs... lol

u can agree or disagree .. this is my opinion.. not anything else..

most of the people who disagree.. usually the broker or the lazy stoner that is too lazy and stupid to grow the bud himself USUALLY. not always.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I don't know any brokers who double up on packs, people in this thread make it sound like the brokers also are the ones moving the product, but in reality it's their connects that take all the risk and do all the work. That's why the brokers need a certain margin, so their connect can pay for packaging transport and his street team...while leaving a few handed for the broker to make, at most.

 

[stasis]

I'd choose the mountain any time. like Yes said.

I saw brokers in the past in Em tri looking for 1-2 points per p. Then it went berserk.

Mids became just as good to off as Hi-Q, same profit - in fact more..!

So the customer looking for a 10 pack
is going to make the Broker more money if He/She moves more p's. Thus, the market goes from normal to saturated with crapola. This is what convinced Me that CA was not tenable anymore for Me, as a Boutique Grower. Brokering became the most lucrative part of the industry, with HydroShops. When Growers were laying out money for the whole process and taking big risks. Yes, brokers take risks too - but that is their choice. They have the stock for days, the grower protects it for months.

All markets go this way eventually - but I am in a place where My work stands out, so at least there's the "Jewel-factor." Some people appreciate Hi Quality Here. But, there are millions of lowballers too.

 

[Anders89]

Like everything else doing thing like a industry makes products more shit and income less for the farmer and end user.

Most growers would earn more than enough by supplying loyal customers with quality products. 1 person can easily buy 1kg for himself and friends trough a year.

That means 50 customers trough 1 year is 25-50 kilos. 2 dollars a gram is 50000-100000 dollars.

Related question what is the price when u buy 50-100 kilos and larger? or more imporant what is the end price.

In norway its different so if money is the problem all of you growers should start up here

1 gram weed goes for up to 35 dollars. Extracts go for up to 140 dollars. Ice o lator hash goes for up to 100 dollars on the street.

Bulk price on 1 kilo weed can easily be up to 17000 dollars.

Police dont carry guns and maximum sentence is 21 years.

Entrapment is illegal in norway.

Prisons are like catholic school without beatings and if u act nice u get out on 2/3 of the sentence done.

Most weed here are shit
Come grow something good enjoy your stay in norway and get rich

Jk or am i?

 

[komboloi]

Like everything else doing thing like a industry makes products more shit and income less for the farmer and end user.

Most growers would earn more than enough by supplying loyal customers with quality products. 1 person can easily buy 1kg for himself and friends trough a year.

That means 50 customers trough 1 year is 25-50 kilos. 2 dollars a gram is 50000-100000 dollars.

Related question what is the price when u buy 50-100 kilos and larger? or more imporant what is the end price.

In norway its different so if money is the problem all of you growers should start up here

1 gram weed goes for up to 35 dollars. Extracts go for up to 140 dollars. Ice o lator hash goes for up to 100 dollars on the street.

Bulk price on 1 kilo weed can easily be up to 17000 dollars.

Police dont carry guns and maximum sentence is 21 years.

Entrapment is illegal in norway.

Prisons are like catholic school without beatings and if u act nice u get out on 2/3 of the sentence done.

Most weed here are shit
Come grow something good enjoy your stay in norway and get rich

Jk or am i?

My first thought: I'm going to Norway.

My second thought involved an image of me going through customs with some ballasts, bulbs, and a duffel bag of product.

My third thought was of a big plate of prison-issue ludefisk three meals a day.

My fourth thought was that Norwegian women are beautiful. Do Norwegian prisons allow conjugal visits?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

I just don't like how.. say the broker wants pounds for 1000.. right. but then he goes n sells them for 3000. do u think it was a FAIR DEAL? or do u think growers should atleast make the same.. if not more then the broker..

your numbers are way off…first off no one is turning 1k packs into 3k packs all by themselves, and locally.

in order for a 1k to turn into a 3k, the only way to keep all that margin to yourself is to go up north,buy them there, transpost yourself (costs money), receive yourself in the non med state, then hustle yourself one by one.

this all takes a TON of infrastructure and risk…there are bills for stash spots, special cars, drivers, handlers, etc..

and usually this is a rare scenario…usually its made up several people one person goes up north buys them for 1k, he brings them back down to stash #1 and then gets it to another guy for a few points. guy B is the one is puts the money up and gets it out of state however possible, which costs a lot of money. Guy C receives it out of state and hands it all off to guy D who breaks it all down.

just saying….its very very rare for someone to turn a 1k into a 3k all by themselves and even if they did thats a fuckload of risky, high prison time work. id rather him take the risks for that 2k profit so that i can sit on the mountain and stay low-key and make 1k.


its not easy times for brokers right now….grower prices are all going up and margins are getting squeezed hard. just this morning i heard a story from my broker homie that makes me soooo glad i dont do that shit anymore. such a headache….

 

[Daub Marley]

I just don't think that a broker should be making the same as a grower.. then the broker has no bills.. and the grower has TOns of money invested.

I agree that's ridiculous.

just saying….its very very rare for someone to turn a 1k into a 3k all by themselves and even if they did thats a fuckload of risky, high prison time work.

That's a good point. Pretty much any scenario that significantly increases margins also increases risk, overhead, or both. The additional risk is also transferred to the grower because the broker can get popped and rat.

grower prices are all going up and margins are getting squeezed hard.

After the recession the growers prices were crushed, and since then the prices have significantly risen to the end user while lagging for the growers. The dispensaries and brokers were making larger than normal profits during the period but grower prices were bound to catch up eventually.

 

[shithawk420]

Lol brokers are the reason most growers can move there product and take the risk of trafficking.the hypocrisy is riduculus in here

 

[shithawk420]

Lol brokers are the reason most growers can move there product and take the risk of trafficking.the hypocrisy is riduculus in here

 

[CaliGabe]

Lol brokers are the reason most growers can move there product and take the risk of trafficking.the hypocrisy is riduculus in here

I just think brokers get a bad rap when not necessarily deserved. If you're not happy with a situation change it. Don't blame someone else and accept responsibility.

people in this thread make it sound like the brokers also are the ones moving the product, but in reality it's their connects that take all the risk and do all the work.

No brokers ='s no connects so actually the brokers moving the product down the distribution channel.

 

[m4n]

Who cares if a broker makes more money than the grower, your the grower who sold him the product and already got cashed out so your job is done...if you dont like it charge more money, if your product is good they will still buy it cause they already know how much they can get off top when they buy it...They takin what 5 years minimum for trafficking if they get caught up? Shit if Im takin that risk I'm charging as much money as I can get period! Way different ball game...like Prop said I'd rather sit on the hill and pump weight

 

[RespectGreen]

^^ exactly risk assessment fee and not my business to care what they make as my money has been made.

 

[z-ro]

I think some people are confusing buyer with broker. A local broker connects you the grower, and a buyer, for a fee just like real estate. They guy buying it is usually the one transporting and doubling up...

However, in my neck of the woods, turning a 1 into a 3 is as simple as dropping a 5 pack in the mail and collecting the funds which has ruined the game IMO. I personally think a grower should get half the retail value, there is no reason everyone in the middle can't make money on that except pure greed. And all the middle men that soon won't be able to make anything in a legal market will have to go get a real job, no more sitting on your ass playing video games all day.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

m4n exactly, cultivation charges are usually a slap on the wrist, most growers i know in CA who get caught with over 100 plants get a felony but its 5 years probation no time served and most of them keep growing after lol…

but getting caught taking them out of state….yea you are looking at sitting down. the money is good but almost everyone i know had issues with that eventually, shit might be smooth sailing for a year or couple years, but it always comes crashing down. its a dirty dirty game out there…seen a lot of good people get caught up in that game so I'm determined to stay out of it.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Most people get caught up when they keep going bigger and bigger.

I know in my biggest year I definitely got caught up in it...rude awakening for sure.

It's all about that consistent medium hustle.

 

[stasis]

Lol brokers are the reason most growers can move there product and take the risk of trafficking.the hypocrisy is riduculus in here

Words from a broker, no doubt. I left also because I did not want to ship. Several Mendo Friends (Acquaintances at best) - had huge problems, because some other states are quite zealous at finding the source. And at making the person who is caught sing like a canary.

M4n, I DO care if a broker makes absurd bank, cause He is lowballing ME at the time.. Otherwise, I give nary a shit how much anyone else makes.

Just don't offer 1200 for something way better than what 12oo usually buys. Trying to take advantage of strapped growers. THAT is the issue. Yr not my friend if I am seen as a potential mark due to bills needing to be paid.

For Me, when I hear the words, "I usually pay," I close my ears.

When dealing with brokers, which most "Patient/Caregivers" are in this state. my MO is to always be able to say an emphatic, "No."

And walk, without taking it personally.

Unfortunately, in the Em Tri, the days of the honest Broker are long gone. Used to be everyone knew what each other was making. When a deal was made for
Me, I felt it was equitable, and I invariably left a nice tip of a point per p for the Broker. Ah, those were the days.

I know negotiation is always a battle to some extent. But it used to be less of a war. haha.


BTW, ANDERS - Norway sounds great. Where do I sign..?