Who sells the best Durban!!

[Sam_Skunkman]

I started smoking in 1965 so any info I have about pre-65 is only second hand. I never saw homegrown until the late 60's that was any good. Most did not finish in northern California and was swag mean green, until people found and started using earlier Sativas in the late 60's as well as Indicas soon after. I do not know what the Big Sur growers were using as Hybrids in their Big Sur Holy Weed, maybe good early Mexican stock. The way to see if there was much growing of Cannabis in California is to look at the state or County busts of growers, and there were very few pre 1967, that is when the influx of urban hippie smokers headed back to the land and growing took off to the levels it is today.
If you think there was much demand from whites for Marijuana in the 40's and 50's in California you do not understand history and how scared people were to even try Cannabis until the mid 60's when the drug propaganda lies came tumbling down. There was no mass market for Marijuana back in the 40's it was used by few and they avoided geting caught as they were put in jail for a long long time for simple use.
Show me any proof of "some mexican strains acclimating to california since at least pre-wwii" and I will be more then surprised. I know the history of Cannabis in California as well as anyone and I have never heard of what you speak of.
-SamS

 

[ngakpa]

yeh, busts would seem the only way to measure prevalence I can think of

it does often seem to be the case with history that if you want to get a sense of the scope of a movement or activity, you look for mentions of it in the literature of people who were opposed to it

(I've never looked into growing in the late '50s and early '60s US.... only thing I've read that springs to mind is the first volume of William Burroughs' letters - I think I'm right in saying he planted a lot of Mexican weed a few years running when he lived outside New Orleans in the late '50s ... but then WSB is not exactly a measure for what is happening in the rest of the universe)

 

[Raco]

Is Zacatecas Purple the mexican in Big Sur Holy Weed or is it myth?

 

[The_Skunkist]

The big buds bigger than an arm are Durban poison for dutch passion ...



And 2 buds are harvested ...

 

[muddy waters]

you're right Sam, I don't have any proof at all. I was hypothesizing based on two known quantities: Mexicans in California (already half a million in 1940), and marijuana in Mexican culture going back to the 19th century. Thanks a lot for your input, though, it's an interesting topic to me.

I don't think the lack of busts means a lack of cultivation, though I definitely see your logic. But consider this: if you go on Google News right now and type "marijuana busts" the majority of the articles and reports you find will not be from California, yet that's the state that grows the most. Also, when you consider that the total population of California in 1940 (I have the data) was under 7 million total... that leaves a whole lot of open space, considering the state has got about 30 million more people today... and finally, what kind of resources did the U.S. federal gov't devote to drug interdiction prior to and during WWII? probably not very much, in comparison with post-reagan levels, i'd assume.

 

[muddy waters]

(I've never looked into growing in the late '50s and early '60s US.... only thing I've read that springs to mind is the first volume of William Burroughs' letters - I think I'm right in saying he planted a lot of Mexican weed a few years running when he lived outside New Orleans in the late '50s ... but then WSB is not exactly a measure for what is happening in the rest of the universe)

like i think i mentioned earlier, you had distinct populations making use of herb in california and elsewhere before the hippie explosion sam alluded to. the beats are one well-recorded group. mexican and indian immigrants are also recorded using cannabis in the racist yellow journalism coming from hearst's newspapers going back to the early 1900s. finally you have jazz musicians in new york, the south, and in los angeles smoking reefer in the period from 1920-1960, and musical references in blues and jazz that predate even that. sam's definitely right that there was no mainstream use prior to the hippies, after all the u.s. is predominantly white, but phenomenons can exist and thrive outside the mainstream, of course. add the segregated (by race and by class) nature of californian society in the leave it to beaver era and it wouldn't surprise me at all if white folk didn't know anything about marijuana being grown or smoked until the rise of the counterculture and rainy day women #12 & 35.

 

[ngakpa]

cheers for that Muddy

I hadn't realised the racist press in the US went after Indian immigrants too

btw there are still places out there stocking the old African Seeds Durban

 

[CannabisPatient]

Tons of great information in this gem of a thread. Thanks to all who posted here.

 

[GreenLion]

i want me some good durban seeds!!! dutch passion durban were the first seeds i ever bought n grew...

 

[OakyJoe]

Tons of great information in this gem of a thread. Thanks to all who posted here.

WORD!

well i read here and there of cannabis smoking in the 1920s....