Who sells the best Durban!!

[Highlighter]

Whoa, is that jim rearing up? ^^^
Well my parents are dead, plus I was an adopted bastard. Your right, I am trash. I like to stay in a perpetual stoned daze to forget all my shortcomings.
I DO toss pollen, and I give/trade it away. Way more fun trading w/ my brethren here than chasing holy grails. I was intrigued enough to spend $45 @ auction for the Power Malawi tho.
I just find it strange that someone who was "taught" by the supposed creator of DP, isn't using actual south african durban in this cross.
Nirvana is decent gear, the White Rhino is as good as you'll find @ any price if that's your kind of high.
I really hope I'm blown away by the PM. Afropips has the nicest packaging of anyone! If that IS you, Jim, here ya go! Peace, HL

 

[- ezra -]

.....btw. yet to find a single bad plant in any of the Afropips I have grown ... inc. the Nigerian x Nirvana Afghan, which I would challenge anyone to smoke on a blind test and notice had any "inferior" genetics in it ... has made for a great cross with Leda Uno - lemontastic

I doubt anyone who has actually taken the time to grow Afropips' strains would poor scorn on them - intense viguour, excellent yields, powerful refined highs - yes, being African sativas the sats and sat doms strecth, and should be cured well, but it is African ganja for goodness sake, what do people expect - and it pays off hunderfold to wait - an art in itself I think

Hey Afropip...I mean Ngakpa, would you care to actually post some pics of this superior (single Nirvana pack selected) 'afrostock' ? Or, let me guess you dont have access to a camera? Well thats a shame, I guess we will just have to take your word on it?

BTW, besides the questionable 'breeding' practices, I would personally not purchase anything from Pips because of how disrespectful he was toward a lot of people on here. We all know what I am talking about, especially in the DJ Shorts forum, but many other threads as well. In the end he was so disrespectful even to Gypsy and admin that they basically had no choice to ban his membership from ICmag. He lost these great privileges to have a free support forum on this site because of his sheer disrespect and stupidity. This is why you will not find any posts by said South African ex patriot on this site.

- Ez

 

[- ezra -]

So highlighter good genes cost high dollars? Hope your mommy and daddy had lots of dollars or else you to are trash, right? You are judged by your own standards.


Hey tell the owner of this site to stop selling cheap nirvana seeds , if they are such trash genetics then it reflects on the seller and owner of this site badly.

Hey ezra @ least malwali jim had enough balls to tell the parentage , honestly, are you to saying that good genes come from money? So then if you weren't born into money you're trash? Yea thats what you say. Tell the owner of this site to stop selling Nirvana seeds, you don't have the balls or the juice inside.

ezra to hide the parentage would fuck up the inbreeding coeffecient of inbreeding calculations other breeders rely on.

Neither one of you two know jack shit about breeding , really! Your're losers!

We'll see if I contribute to the lab. I may be gone for this but I will not regret telling the truth!

bwahahahaha.....

...oh man, let me catch my breath, ...thats better.

Is that you Jim? How many handles do you still have on this site?

I guess its needed for me to explain why I think selecting parents from a single pack of Nirvana beans is not the best breeding practice? Firstly it has nothing to do with the cost. The origin and selection process of the Nirvana stock is not clear, therefore I would not consider using this stock to breed with. It might not be pure, it might not be stable, it might have come from a small selection pool, etc. Not saying these beans are not good value, just I wouldnt consider breeding with them. Finally, a single 10 pack of beans is a much too small a population to make selections from. Only a pollen chucker/closet hack makes selections from a 10 pack of Nirvana beans, end of story.

have a nice day Jim

 

[RAGGA MON]

the legit durban is getting harder to come by as of late, but still thrives in natal and that region and is mainly run by the indian community...the top three south african contenders for a nice sat. landrace is malawi cob, durban poison and good swazi. if i were going to breed and start a project i would personaly search the swazi genes. i have had more consistant varietys of swazi than any of the other 2. its the most readily available and there are some KILLER fuggin phenos in that gene-pool.
if you ever come across a chocolate swazi pheno you have hit gold m8!
good luck with your quest

to the most high, irie i

 

[Time Bomb]

Ive also grown Maroc from female seeds in case anyone cares how I think it compares to the African Seeds Durban. It blows it out of the water in potency but its definitely not pure Sat. It has more phenos and grows a lot weaker and smaller. It will finish about 2 months earlier and is not an autoflower but almost seems like it, and if you grow them in tiny pots you can actually autoflower then after a certain age if they are massively rootbound.

I almost bought the Afropips Malawi Gold a while back but I just can't justify giving my money to a douche bag, same for Rez. I just will never give either of these 2 my money.

 

[Guest]

I did an outdoor patch on a logged out hill side with Durban from Sensi Seeds in 98.

Big tall plants with huge tops and good secondary. The smell was very strange compared to the usual strains I grow.

Unfortunately the last third of our patch was ripped but we did manage to get in quite a few of the Durban's.

It out yielded everything else.

 

[dubi]

About the commercial durbans.

Ive grown sensi's and DP version.

DP plants is very stable but grows almost like an indica: compact, robust, fat leaf, columnar growing .... The taste is anised but the high is mild. It could be interesting to cross with other long flowering plants with more punch.

Sensi's version is a quite more sativa. Classic tall vigorous sativa plants with lot of strong branches, quite opposite to DP's version. When grown in soil, sensi's durban can yield a lot devoloping long and dense sativa colas like ezra has posted.

I found sensi's version more powerful and funnier to smoke. The high is quite social with good potency. The taste was also very good, very durban influenced.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

I'm primarily interested in it since its suposedly an early sativa landrace and is stable... I need somthing stable so I can grow outdoors from seed and produce more seed that I can grow for the next few years

You know, stable 'landrace' strain or not, the fact that a 'strain' offers little genotype variation doesn't get you around the necessity to apply selective breeding, in order to maintain or improve on the psychoactive qualities of the genetics.
Stable genetics is primarily of interest to breeders developing new strains, so that when crossing genetics, there will be less genetic off-shots.

Variation within a gene pool is something vital, so that the plant can adapt to the particular environment it lives in. It's what nature's all about.

To a grower, outdoors as indoors, different phenotypes is one of the basic things that gives him an idea what genetic traits he wants to continue, therefore what plants to select.

I often feel a bit uneasy when I hear some people talk about purity in genetics, or 'authentic', 'real deal' Durban, Haze, etc.

Take a batch of authentic, landrace Durban seeds, split them up on two. Grow half of them on a northern latitude in sandy, clayish soil, the other half down south in mostly organic, peat-based soil. Apply selective breeding on top of that, and I guarantee you that you will have two distinct types of Durban after only a few generations. The bigger the genepool, the smaller the variation will be, but it will be there.

Genetics isn't more complicated than that. Everything evolves, everything changes. It doesn't matter if someone sneaked in Blueberry genetics into the Durban genepool or not, the only thing that matters is if it gave the genetics the desired qualities or not.

 

[Buffoonman]

Read an article comparing Durbans from different seed companies grown along side each other. Dutch Passons was the most uniform and stable Durban. Never been hybridised.

 

[ngakpa]

heya - Ezra man, honestly, I am not MalJim, Afropips, whatever - the day I have a bad experience with his plants, I will post it up here, same as I would with any other seedbank...

anyway, as far as I am concerned a 90 - 120 day Durban Poison sativa is of more interest to me than the other Durbans on offer

ask any South African over the age of about 25 what real Durban Poison is/was like and it will match the description - small buds, speedy high etc.

and yeh, given that Natal and thereabouts have one of the largest Indian populations outside of India, and has done for a long time, if the Indian population isn't - at least in part - a likely origin of DP then I would be amazed

that is my best guess anyway, cheers,

Ngakpa

 

[Time Bomb]

Guys if you want real durban not the hybrid try out the African Seeds durban poison, It actually grows like a sativa and has a nice speedy high.

Ive read that stupid article comparing the durbans too, it sounds like rubish, Ive grown plenty of Dutch Passion stock and it is crap period, they may have a few good strains but those were just stolen from other companies. Ive grown plenty of Sensi stock and they are all good so far, I would never grow another Dutch Passion strain not from a clone thats how bad of luck Ive had from them. Give me the Sensi please.

 

[ngakpa]

there is also an ethnobotanical company on the web which still has the Seedsman pure Durban left, though also an early finishing version

 

[- ezra -]

heya - Ezra man, honestly, I am not MalJim, Afropips, whatever - the day I have a bad experience with his plants, I will post it up here, same as I would with any other seedbank...

anyway, as far as I am concerned a 90 - 120 day Durban Poison sativa is of more interest to me than the other Durbans on offer

ask any South African over the age of about 25 what real Durban Poison is/was like and it will match the description - small buds, speedy high etc.

and yeh, given that Natal and thereabouts have one of the largest Indian populations outside of India, and has done for a long time, if the Indian population isn't - at least in part - a likely origin of DP then I would be amazed

that is my best guess anyway, cheers,

Ngakpa

^^^ thats cool man, I dont actually think you are Pips because he has a certain distinctive style of communication (i.e. he is a jerk)

I just thought it would be nice to post up some pics of the plants if you like em so much. I am sure a 90 - 120 day Durban Poison sativa would be real nice if your climate allows for it. The Dutch Passion and Sensi versions are both much faster finishing than that.

As far as what Rosy Cheeks said, I totally agree, and I think that as well as the selections made by the seedbanks, Durban actually has many sub variations in its native region. I happen to believe that at least some of the Durban lines may have incorporated some amount of indica genetics at some stage. It is usually considered to be a pure sativa, but I find that unlikely based on its properties. It is sativa dominant, but I would say it probably has some indica in it.

- Ez

 

[Raco]

Hola,
What do you think of this guerrilla 2003 plant?.I´m not sure but I think it was 1/2 Durban...or Durban f2?

 

[H. Wurst]

i have grown out some seedsman durban. at least one plant took about 20 weeks to finish. the high is unique, very up, but not very strong. still ok, i like it, but hermies with all 4 plants i flowered.

 

[Guest]

Sensi's version is a quite more sativa. Classic tall vigorous sativa plants with lot of strong branches, quite opposite to DP's version. When grown in soil, sensi's durban can yield a lot devoloping long and dense sativa colas like ezra has posted.

I found sensi's version more powerful and funnier to smoke. The high is quite social with good potency. The taste was also very good, very durban influenced.

This is exactly what I found with Sensi's Durban. I'll add that it mature by the end of Sept in the Lower mainland of BC.

 

[muddy waters]

if you ever come across a chocolate swazi pheno you have hit gold m8!

wow that aroused me... heheheh
i just germed 4 malawi gold x cherry bomb f2 and 4 pure swazi rooibart sourced in s.a.
hope things are smelling like cherries and chocolate 4 months from now

i have 20 more swazi seeds--is the chocolate a really rare pheno?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

South African Durban Poison was first introduced by me. I got maybe 100 seeds from South Africa and grew them in California in the late 70's. Most were hermaphrodite, small calyxs, as well as not so great buds. But I saw the potential for an early Sativa so I worked with it for a few years to clean it up. I finally eliminated most of all the bad traits, and introduced it in the early 80's. When I took it to Amsterdam it was an immediate hit, one of the few Sativa strains that can be grown outdoors in Holland most years if the weather is OK at harvest time. Every seed merchant in Holland bought some and made copies as well as Hybrids, All of the Durban Poison genetics being passed around were originally from my work until Afro-Seeds popped up a few years ago.
My Durban Poison is Sativa, pure IBL Landrace created from seed lines, maintained with clones, Male and Female. There is no change in the genepool now as any seeds are produced from selected clones 20 years old. The plants had a strong licorice/anise smell and taste, as well as being quite early in maturation. The strength was med-strong, vigor strong, yield quite good, very consistant. To be honest I considered it a daytime smoke.
I have heard that Afro-Seeds made or collected their Durban Poison seeds from fresh seeds every year, they did not use clones to make them, and that is fraught with problems. You can maybe select a good female seed parent by looking at and smoking the results, but what about the Male pollen parent? How do you know a new male from seed is good enough to use as a pollen parent? Or the best male to use as a parent? The only way I know is to make a clone of the male's to be tested and make crosses with the best selected females (clones), then grow out the different batches and see what males & females give the best results. If you are not doing this then the male you use could be great or a lousy male with no ability to help produce plants that are great. One thing is for sure the seeds you got years ago will not be the same as what you get today, as both the females and males used to make seeds are not the same each year.
The Flying Dutchman, or Seedsman in the UK might have my SADP, but I am not sure as they may make their own to sell also. Because the variety is true breeding it is easy to make copies.
-SamS

 

[Guest]

quality piece of info sam..

 

[- ezra -]

^^^ awesome post Sam, interesting background.

...serves to underscore the point that Pips isnt a real breeder. I wouldnt class a hybridizer as a breeder unless they go through a rigorous selection process as Sam did for example.

Sam, can you confirm the Early Durban from TFD is same as your SADP x Sk#1 cross? Also can you elucidate why the sensi and DP versions are quite different. Which one is closest to your original work?

- Ez