where do you think the future of a/f's lay ?

[Hempe]

LOL ^ yeah that!

bigger plants..

which is my opinion destroys the basis of an autoflower.. which is kinda silly considering the word.. auto-flower..

because honestly, if I was to grow a big plant, it would be a DJ plant. I have not met one autoflower that could compete with a 'regular' seed..

I understand all the greatness with autos in outdoor scenarios.. I do, but indoor, I want them small and unique.


in my painted pictures.. autos are comical, break up the norm, short, flower quick.... and are just fun

Also i dont think you know your mind if you say you want them to be small then mock the fact that they are small... i mean wtf. make up your mind LOL. FYI theres more then one seed out there, doubt youve even grown an auto if your willing to talk about them like that.

 

[auto guerilla]

hopefully the future lies in making what the iranian autoflower was supposed to do: be able to stay in veg under 20 or more hours of light and flower under anything less so you can keep a small mother plant indoors under flueros or led and put out clones that will flower straight away outside in a short amount of time. i'm personally working on that myself with my current genetic stock. takes a while to breed/select these traits and lockem down. lucky i have genetics with this trait to begin with. just have to narrow down selection. 'extremely early photoperiod' is a term used for it.

 

[blackone]

hopefully the future lies in making what the iranian autoflower was supposed to do: be able to stay in veg under 20 or more hours of light and flower under anything less so you can keep a small mother plant indoors under flueros or led and put out clones that will flower straight away outside in a short amount of time. i'm personally working on that myself with my current genetic stock. takes a while to breed/select these traits and lockem down. lucky i have genetics with this trait to begin with. just have to narrow down selection. 'extremely early photoperiod' is a term used for it.

Or the auto afghan supposedly
Add a longer flowertime for good yield from small clones and you're golden.
Different genes than true autoflowering though.

 

[mckb024]

I would say that the future of AF's lay in the hands of the people/ breeders that have been working for years to stabalize thier genetics. Such as Mdanzig, canned abyss, mossy, and LBH. I would ask them what they have planned for the future. peace!!!

 

[mckb024]

Id throw some credit to a lesser known seed bank called dutchbreed.com

it would seem you just did, but why bad mouth mdanzig

 

[Hempe]

not badmouthing mdanzig just dont think he has put nearly as much time and effort into bettering the autoflower community as most others have. I see him as more interested in making money than actually contributing anything useful compared to others listed. I'm sure i could provide a better alternative to any of the plants he's "bred" lol. I mean he has what 2 strains?

I also get the feel he steals other seedbanks genetics makes f1 and hocks them as his own. I cant prove this but his gear always strikes me as dishonest.

 

[mckb024]

not badmouthing mdanzig just dont think he has put nearly as much time and effort into bettering the autoflower community as most others have. I see him as more interested in making money than actually contributing anything useful compared to others listed. I'm sure i could provide a better alternative to any of the plants he's "bred" lol. I mean he has what 2 strains?

I also get the feel he steals other seedbanks genetics makes f1 and hocks them as his own. I cant prove this but his gear always strikes me as dishonest.

your right thats not bad mouthing thats out right talking shit
ignorance breeds stupidity!

 

[blackosprey]

i'd also like to add SGS basically stole their genetics from dutchbreed too diminished quality and jacked up the prices. I beleive credit is due where credit is due. Your right about the ignorance thing, i hope your not ignorant to what they try and push on you, I like to look for the real breeders who actually put time and effort into their work instead of pushing someone elses in exchange for a quick buck

Heres how my list of Experienced Auto Breeders reads:
DutchBreed.com
Sweet Seeds
Joint Doctor
Stitch/Short Stuff Seeds
Mossy
I agree canned abyss belongs in their too for his work on spyder and i look forward to his spyder web.
and Lowlife is hit and miss but their auto AK basically changed the game for commercial growers in my area.

Im not talking shit i just do the research and test the product and speak only from experience and from what i see in the genetics. But if you think I'm ignorant, yeah your right.

 

[Hempe]

he asked. And I'm glad i care. I hope you had a good laugh. You can keep buying lesser quality seeds if you choose to. After all that is the beauty of personal choice. You know what they say about opinions, everybody has one.

I would say dont take it personal

But it's too late

 

[blackosprey]

I laugh because in my opinion, each and every strain out there, either sold, traded, or freely given, is "stolen." Take a look at any breeder's lines, including everyone in your list, and you will find that their strain developed from someone's previous work. A couple of examples...
dutchbreed Short Term Amnesia- Soma Amnesia Haze x Joint Doctors Lowryder.

dutchbreed blue barrel AK- Serious Seed AK47 x Dutchbreed lowberry (which is dutch passion blueberry x JD's lowrider).

Does this make these genetics not "stolen" becuase he lists the origin? Becasue last time I checked, SGS also gives credit where credit is due. To defend one company, and denounce another, when both companies do/did the same thing at one point or another, is pretty obtuse on your part.

With that said, I love what Sweet Seeds has done with their auto line. I love what Crazy X has done with the Jems, I am currently loving what's coming up with Smokey's server fund SourSnow (a cross of Sour 60 and Snowryder...more "stolen" genetics), and I love what SGS has produced.

From what I have seen and experienced in my relatively short time growing (but a lot longer than you may assume), 90% of the time, when someone has a bad grow of something, it can be more readily linked to grower error or environmental control issues over breeder error.

Carry on.....

 

[Hempe]

For me it has more to do with the time spent breeding and care taken to produce quality seeds for a reasonable price. With the intentions of giving the average grower a quality experience and not intentions of throwing something together fast to make a quick buck. I can guarantee dutchbreed puts atleast 6 years into each and everyone of their auto selections. Do go on about how much better of a grower you are than I. LOL

You may continue to get mad at the superior alternatives. Afterall no one is stopping you.

I'd also like to add it is only admirable to claim a strain as your own after 6 generations. Anything less and you are a ripoff artist.

P.S. I grow for seed for free dispersement among colleagues. Thats why i put so much intensive research on what to buy/not to buy.

 

[blackosprey]

Obvious troll posting is becoming obvious.

 

[Hempe]

You said carry on... Now you wanna cry about it?

pretty obtuse on your part.

 

[mitch_connor]

i'd also like to add SGS basically stole their genetics from dutchbreed too diminished quality and jacked up the prices.

Thats pure nonsense.

A) SGS produces amongst the cheapest AF's out there, to help people grow AF's that are on a tight budget.

B) If you buy, and then work a strain into a longterm project, how is that stealing?

C) There's no smoke and mirrors. Parentage is written in the strain details. Strains/Seed banks/Breeders mentioned off the top of my head:
Short Term Amnesia, Mossys Jems, Jd's Diesel Ryder, Sensi, Dj Short

There has to be a starting point for any new AF strain worked from a photoperiod plant to get the AF trait into your new cross, and that has to originate from one of the AF breeders work you mentioned, unfortunately you can't magic plants to breed with from thin air.

I'm glad you like dutchbreed, So stick to them if you like.
I don't have the time nor desire to trash talk, but I tried some lowberry from dutchbreed years ago, and had 3 girls that didn't Auto for me, so I steered clear afterwards, I was limited to space and time back then and couldn't afford any space to wasted.
I also tried gear from lowlife, JD and others several years ago now and they all had their positives.

Anyone breeding, privately or commercially, who is putting, love, time, effort and thought into their work has my upmost respect.

 

[cody2white]

Man i had a buddy do flower power by barneys farm and all i gotta say is its dank. Stoney as a mofo! But yield was lacking. So i guess that could be pushed.

I was suprised what an auto could put out!

 

[Hempe]

All the lowberry i got from dutchbreed auto'd for me. I dont appreciate your propaganda. LOL its obvious who you're collaborating with. Anyone with an unbiased point of view would have to be blind to not realize your trying to slander a reputable seedbank that had its genetics stolen from the "seedbank" your trying to represent. So which is it good or bad? they must be good enough for SGS to steal their genetics or else you wouldnt even be here right now. LOL

 

[mitch_connor]

How am I slandering when you're not? I just stated facts to correct your statement.
However, I can guarantee what you are saying is not fact.

I said in my post, I've grown most of the original AF pioneers work, and respected anyone in that game working hard.

Again, I said I grew one strain from them, the ones that Auto'd I liked, I crossed lowberry to some diesel ryder but never grew them out. But in a humble closet i didn't have the space to worry if a plant was going to AF or not.
I'm sure they corrected, or stablised their product and it's all good.

I did several test grows for SGS and documented them. Was more than pleased with the results so kept on doing it whilst I had the oppurtunity. If I had the space I would have done it for anyone else who asked.

 

[blackosprey]

I dont appreciate your propaganda. LOL its obvious who you're collaborating with. Anyone with an unbiased point of view would have to be blind to not realize your trying to slander a reputable seedbank that had its genetics stolen from the "seedbank" your trying to represent.

Pot, meet Kettle.....

 

[Hempe]

Double Post.

 

[Hempe]

To paraphrase everything i said earlier, you go ahead and grow those seeds with an undeserved sense of self accomplishment haha

SGS stole their genetics from dutchbreed and you badmouth DB doesnt make too much sense to me. LOL If you feel like you have something productive to add to this thread please go on, but as far as i see it I'm done here i realize you cant post your honest truth based opinions without the minions of a seedbank attacking you. Next time ill be more gentle in my handling of this type of situation should it occur.

Just like to add i am a free marke customer with no affiliations to dutchbreed other than i am a happy customer. I dont get any sort of reward for promoting their product. So yes I am the Pot calling the kettle black LOL especially with all the truth i post. Didn't realize