What's your go-to breeder nowadays?

[Donald Mallard]

Thailand backpedaling on weed? I think it ain't happening, there's more weed shops than 7/11, and there's a 7/11 at every freaking corner in Thailand.
Flying there just after NYs, so let's see...

while i agree there doesnt seem to be any sign of the suspected back pedal ,
they are gonna have to have a lot more weed shops if they want to compete with the numbers of 7/11 s , no one has as many shops as them lol ....

 

[TrifektaSeeds]

Yeah I hear that but I won't ever offer cheaper than I do as I got bills to pay, and the bills for everything to grow goes up year after year, so prices need to also.

So stop growing 300 varieties of chance and focus on the ones you think you can make the most of in terms of breeding success and ROI

There are mass companies who can produce seed cheaper on a large scale wether outsourced or even in house but cheaper to produce in bulk and legal environments.
Some of us still in fully illegal environments and much harder to achieve than others in Spain and USA.

Also how can you stabilize an S1 , it's as close as you will ever get want to the clone used( Grateful Casey S1 I offer, SSSDH S1 I offer) and several other S1's, there nothing to stabilize, that would just be working towards a certain pheno , and the S1 is the winning pheno selfed.

You can't be serious man..
If your winning pheno is a true breed clone, you can just S1 it and the seed stock will be mostly mother like.
But what happens if your winning pheno is not breeding true ?
Hmmm you ah.. stabilize it.
How ? Grow as many as you can, select over and over for the mother phenos (as much as possible)
You are not working towards a certain pheno, your working towards the winning clone you started with ! The clone people smoked and liked.
When you reach the generation of S when the seeds stock is 80%+ like your mother plant, you have stabilized your clone and it is a true breed clone.

People want to grab the hybrids or S1's of the special clone/plant we make into Feminized seeds , not bx's.

Non of this matter if the P1 are not true breeding
True breeding = known results
Not true breeding = mish mesh

Regular lines your working towards a certain phenotype and in my opinion can lose alot , and turn into yoir own line ( far away from clone your trying to work towards)

Only if you select far away, it doesn't happen on its own.

as your relying on the person doing the line work knowing which pheno ( winning pheno) he is working towards, if he never even tried the winning pheno he just working towards whatever he likes ( and I'm not working towards anything but taste/Potency) and towards the winning Terp/High i know and have sampled and amazing looking to.
Bx are great but how many projects turn out exactly like the clone only the started with trying to lock it in,

If you select long enough from enough population in enough generations you can reach clone like seed stock, from every plant.
It doesn't matter if you cross, BX, self, whatever that enables you to reach your desired selection applies.
There's no cousing sister brother in plants, just traits and genes
Either you are a good pairer, or you are not.
Also, you don't need to smoke the OG clone you started with in order to select towards a winning clone, if you experienced strong highs, tastes, smells, and your not a newb, you can work towards a winning pheno in all situations.

not saying not great , but is it a clone like plant of the Original ? , or just a great pheno on it own, but definitely no twin of the clone only.

Why not ?

Some strains work is easy as strains are dominant so can bx easy and have a great line , but most people makking a great line and real nice work , but is it exactly or even real close to the clone only you started the project with ? , 90% times no.

Because people don't do the work lol
What do you think, your gonna BX and walla you have a stable clone like seed stock ?
Doesn't work that way
Breeding works by applying pressure on generations until you've squeezed out all the unwanted traits.

Every strain I use like any good seedmaker is something special ( I know we all think that) but I been around the scene alot and sampled alot more than your average Joe, and work towards superior phenos/Strains I've sampled in my lifetime.

Again, your cuts can be the most elite but the breeding status of them can be the worst in the world.
Work is needed until the progeny aligns with your selections at around the 75%+ from the subsequent seed stock.
It's so simple.

 

[H e d g e]

In my personal experience, his description is both elaborate and correct. And when looking at other growers experience on the forum, it also seem so. He also aids grower with accurate help that only an experienced grower and breeder with knowledge to the specific strains could do.

Since I initially said that New Caledonia was a landrace, I feel like I have to clear things up. I was wrong. Dubi agrees with you. He thinks it is not a landrace. In the interview in Ep.56 of The Potcast, he explains the process of cleaning up this strain, and states:

"To be honest about the origins of the genetics, I think it's not so linked really with a landrace. would say the finished product has quite thai qualities in the smoke, like especially in the taste. It's a salt, lime, lemony taste that is quite common on thai landraces. And the effect is quite thai-like very clear up.
But the flower structure is more a bit more like Mexican or like American sativa. It's not so loose like the thais. The thais usually have a very loose flower structure, very foxtail, not dense.
A real pure Thai is never dense. But this one makes quite dense buds for a pure sativa. Traits, flowering structures that I have seen more in certain Mexicans or even more modern Colombians. But yeah, my feeling is somewhat like a Thai-American sativa mix."

Regarding your statement about Dubi not beeing a breeder, and not growing weed anymore, I think you should read this transcript from the interview. I find it very hard to believe a marketing only person would and could make up this story.

Wow, that's a really nice selection you have there. Can you tell us a little bit about the New Caledonian? That sounds very rare.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a new Sativa line that we worked on last year, and it has been released this year. It came from a grower through an interchange, a swap of genetics, I did with him. He was a very established grower there in New Caledonia.
He was interested also in our Sativa, so we did an interchange. He sent me a lot of seeds from the island, the sativas he grew up there. Yeah, I think we did the seed swap around 2012, and only at this time, I consider the seeds were getting too old, or so it was time to germinate them and explore a bit the genetics.
Knowing that we work with landraces with sativas, he sent me a lot of seeds to work them and to refine the line and spread the genetics. Honestly, I didn't know what to expect at the beginning. Certainly it was something really new.
I don't know how we will link with other genetics I'm more familiar with. And yes, we grew like last year, we started like 100 plants of the New Caledonia. I have like three different seed lots, two with more seeds.
It was the seed lot A and the seed lot B. We took like 50 seeds from each and grew all of them together indoors. And yes, initially, they grow like really tropical sativa, very slow to reach the sexual maturity to show sex, indoors they grow really big, very big grows.
And yes, I was thinking that we had something really, really tropical on hands. When we switched them to flower, they also took their sweet time to really start to flower. So yeah, they were indeed really tropical or at least subtropical.
Yes, because New Caledonia is around 20 in the south hemisphere latitude, and it's not really very close to the equator, but it's subtropical. And yes, once the plants start to flower, yeah, it was really tropical. It took their time to flower.
We found like maybe a third part of the population was hermaphrodite. So yes, this is very typical when you explore new landraces, especially Sativa landraces from the tropics. It's quite common to find a lot of hermies in the first P1 generation.
And yeah, we eliminate the hermaphrodites. We saw some plants adapting better to indoor growing, reacting better, so start to form resins, showing terpenes also. So we had a chance to start to evaluate which one were more promising.
We clone, when we start to eliminate the hermaphrodite, we start to clone all the rest of the plants that were sexually stable. Like it's quite common also with tropical sativas is that usually the female to male ratio is very high. That means that you find maybe 70-80% of females and the rest only males within these two, also a lot of hermaphrodites, in this case a third part.
So yes, at the end we remove half of the plants after eliminate the hermaphrodites and plants that after many, many, many, many weeks didn't respond, didn't do anything or comparing with other were lacking of resin or terpenes. So yeah, at the end we came out like with 30+ really nice females and five sexually firm males. And then we open pollinate them with the fine males, all the females.
At the same time, as I told you, we had all clones from all these more promising females in the mother room as backup copies. And yes, and then the reproduction was a success. We pollinated all the more than 30 females that were sexually firm.
The males were sexually firms too. And then when they finished the reproduction, when they were ripe, I was able to evaluate better which one were more resinous and with better terpenes, although they were seeded.
So the most promising ones, I brought clones to outdoor growing to do a sinsemilla cycle. That means without pollination, to evaluate properly the flower without seeds. Outdoors, which is, I feel that this strain express itself better outdoors than indoors, at least in this initial generation.
So yes, it was surprising because we moved the clones a bit late in August, which is a bit late for planting, even for tropical sativas, but they catch up very, very fast. The small clones grow up almost like two meters. And around late October, they were already finishing.
Yeah, maybe they will need one, two weeks more, but they reacted outdoors much faster and better than indoors, yes. And at that time, when they were starting to ripe, my God, I was really excited because I started to smell like incredible, refined, fruity aromas. The resins were very good.
In the plants, we were testing outdoors, so our selection were in the right direction regarding quality too. So yes, at the end, we ended up evaluating eight females, the most promising females from the seed reproduction. We evaluated them outdoors without seeds.
Then we started to smoke them. We brought them to the lab for the cannabinoids and terpene analysis. I already did some genetic analysis a few years back.
So yes, with all the smoking tests, the growing experience, the seed reproduction, we decided we were extremely excited about this new genetics. When I started to smoke it, I was, wow, it has been so long that I don't feel this quality of high in the sativa. Like you smoke it and everything becomes super clean, vivid.
You feel like the colors are more intense, but not with distortion. Like everything is more alive. The sound also, you can hear even the farther sound super strong.
Then you feel like a big energy growing up from inside. Like you become creative, connected with your surroundings. You feel uplifted, motivated.
Your psyche is well focused. It's a very, very good quality high, very, very good. To be honest about the origins of the genetics, I think it's not so linked really with a landrace.
I would say the finished product has quite thai qualities in the smoke, like especially in the taste. It's a salt, lime, lemony taste that is quite common on thai landraces. And the effect is quite thai-like very clear up.
But the flower structure is more a bit more like Mexican or like American sativa. It's not so loose like the thais. The thais usually have a very loose flower structure, very foxtail, not dense.
A real pure Thai is never dense. But this one makes quite dense buds for a pure sativa. Traits, flowering structures that I have seen more in certain Mexicans or even more modern Colombians.
But yeah, my feeling is somewhat like a Thai-American sativa mix. That makes sense to the audience regarding the finished product. And it's a very interesting line.

Thanks for posting, I enjoyed reading this. I have a couple of packs in the fridge and this inspired me a bit to plant them.

I like dubi but I don’t think he likes me much talking about relationships to skunk ect. I’ve got a bit of an issue with gmo because of health problems I’ve suffered as a result of modified wheat so for me it’s more important to know if there’s skunk in the genetics than if it’s been hybridised with another sativa or indica variety and sadly nc does.

If you like the ace plants then his Thai and the oth are both none gmo, I’m also looking forward to another one that’s not released yet he’s calling butterfly Thai, from his description of first sampling it sounds like this one could also be pure.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

In my personal experience, his description is both elaborate and correct. And when looking at other growers experience on the forum, it also seem so. He also aids grower with accurate help that only an experienced grower and breeder with knowledge to the specific strains could do.

Since I initially said that New Caledonia was a landrace, I feel like I have to clear things up. I was wrong. Dubi agrees with you. He thinks it is not a landrace. In the interview in Ep.56 of The Potcast, he explains the process of cleaning up this strain, and states:

"To be honest about the origins of the genetics, I think it's not so linked really with a landrace. would say the finished product has quite thai qualities in the smoke, like especially in the taste. It's a salt, lime, lemony taste that is quite common on thai landraces. And the effect is quite thai-like very clear up.
But the flower structure is more a bit more like Mexican or like American sativa. It's not so loose like the thais. The thais usually have a very loose flower structure, very foxtail, not dense.
A real pure Thai is never dense. But this one makes quite dense buds for a pure sativa. Traits, flowering structures that I have seen more in certain Mexicans or even more modern Colombians. But yeah, my feeling is somewhat like a Thai-American sativa mix."

Regarding your statement about Dubi not beeing a breeder, and not growing weed anymore, I think you should read this transcript from the interview. I find it very hard to believe a marketing only person would and could make up this story.

Wow, that's a really nice selection you have there. Can you tell us a little bit about the New Caledonian? That sounds very rare.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a new Sativa line that we worked on last year, and it has been released this year. It came from a grower through an interchange, a swap of genetics, I did with him. He was a very established grower there in New Caledonia.
He was interested also in our Sativa, so we did an interchange. He sent me a lot of seeds from the island, the sativas he grew up there. Yeah, I think we did the seed swap around 2012, and only at this time, I consider the seeds were getting too old, or so it was time to germinate them and explore a bit the genetics.
Knowing that we work with landraces with sativas, he sent me a lot of seeds to work them and to refine the line and spread the genetics. Honestly, I didn't know what to expect at the beginning. Certainly it was something really new.
I don't know how we will link with other genetics I'm more familiar with. And yes, we grew like last year, we started like 100 plants of the New Caledonia. I have like three different seed lots, two with more seeds.
It was the seed lot A and the seed lot B. We took like 50 seeds from each and grew all of them together indoors. And yes, initially, they grow like really tropical sativa, very slow to reach the sexual maturity to show sex, indoors they grow really big, very big grows.
And yes, I was thinking that we had something really, really tropical on hands. When we switched them to flower, they also took their sweet time to really start to flower. So yeah, they were indeed really tropical or at least subtropical.
Yes, because New Caledonia is around 20 in the south hemisphere latitude, and it's not really very close to the equator, but it's subtropical. And yes, once the plants start to flower, yeah, it was really tropical. It took their time to flower.
We found like maybe a third part of the population was hermaphrodite. So yes, this is very typical when you explore new landraces, especially Sativa landraces from the tropics. It's quite common to find a lot of hermies in the first P1 generation.
And yeah, we eliminate the hermaphrodites. We saw some plants adapting better to indoor growing, reacting better, so start to form resins, showing terpenes also. So we had a chance to start to evaluate which one were more promising.
We clone, when we start to eliminate the hermaphrodite, we start to clone all the rest of the plants that were sexually stable. Like it's quite common also with tropical sativas is that usually the female to male ratio is very high. That means that you find maybe 70-80% of females and the rest only males within these two, also a lot of hermaphrodites, in this case a third part.
So yes, at the end we remove half of the plants after eliminate the hermaphrodites and plants that after many, many, many, many weeks didn't respond, didn't do anything or comparing with other were lacking of resin or terpenes. So yeah, at the end we came out like with 30+ really nice females and five sexually firm males. And then we open pollinate them with the fine males, all the females.
At the same time, as I told you, we had all clones from all these more promising females in the mother room as backup copies. And yes, and then the reproduction was a success. We pollinated all the more than 30 females that were sexually firm.
The males were sexually firms too. And then when they finished the reproduction, when they were ripe, I was able to evaluate better which one were more resinous and with better terpenes, although they were seeded.
So the most promising ones, I brought clones to outdoor growing to do a sinsemilla cycle. That means without pollination, to evaluate properly the flower without seeds. Outdoors, which is, I feel that this strain express itself better outdoors than indoors, at least in this initial generation.
So yes, it was surprising because we moved the clones a bit late in August, which is a bit late for planting, even for tropical sativas, but they catch up very, very fast. The small clones grow up almost like two meters. And around late October, they were already finishing.
Yeah, maybe they will need one, two weeks more, but they reacted outdoors much faster and better than indoors, yes. And at that time, when they were starting to ripe, my God, I was really excited because I started to smell like incredible, refined, fruity aromas. The resins were very good.
In the plants, we were testing outdoors, so our selection were in the right direction regarding quality too. So yes, at the end, we ended up evaluating eight females, the most promising females from the seed reproduction. We evaluated them outdoors without seeds.
Then we started to smoke them. We brought them to the lab for the cannabinoids and terpene analysis. I already did some genetic analysis a few years back.
So yes, with all the smoking tests, the growing experience, the seed reproduction, we decided we were extremely excited about this new genetics. When I started to smoke it, I was, wow, it has been so long that I don't feel this quality of high in the sativa. Like you smoke it and everything becomes super clean, vivid.
You feel like the colors are more intense, but not with distortion. Like everything is more alive. The sound also, you can hear even the farther sound super strong.
Then you feel like a big energy growing up from inside. Like you become creative, connected with your surroundings. You feel uplifted, motivated.
Your psyche is well focused. It's a very, very good quality high, very, very good. To be honest about the origins of the genetics, I think it's not so linked really with a landrace.
I would say the finished product has quite thai qualities in the smoke, like especially in the taste. It's a salt, lime, lemony taste that is quite common on thai landraces. And the effect is quite thai-like very clear up.
But the flower structure is more a bit more like Mexican or like American sativa. It's not so loose like the thais. The thais usually have a very loose flower structure, very foxtail, not dense.
A real pure Thai is never dense. But this one makes quite dense buds for a pure sativa. Traits, flowering structures that I have seen more in certain Mexicans or even more modern Colombians.
But yeah, my feeling is somewhat like a Thai-American sativa mix. That makes sense to the audience regarding the finished product. And it's a very interesting line.

‘So yes, this is very typical when you explore new landraces”

Again, it’s not a landrace.
‘one side of his mouth says “landrace” while the other says it’s a hybrid ace made out of a bunch of seeds sent fron NC

”we” did this “we” did that . He doesn’t say “I” did anything other than collect seeds In the mail.

work on reading comprehension

 

[FTL]

‘So yes, this is very typical when you explore new landraces”

Again, it’s not a landrace

”we” did this “we” did that . He doesn’t say “I” did anything other than collect seeds In the mail.

work on reading comprehension

Ace is an acronym, The C in Ace Stands for collective hence “we”.
They’ve been a collective since inception 2005(?) I believe.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Ace is an acronym, The C in Ace Stands for collective hence “we”.
They’ve been a collective since inception 2005(?) I believe.

I know and Dubi is not the breeder

 

[FTL]

I know and Dubi is not the breeder

In a collective structure the decision making power is horizontally distributed between members.

It isn’t like the structure at a modern capitalist work place where the boss man Makes a decision then passes orders vertically down the chain of command.

They are all “the Breeder” it’s not a singular person. they make the decisions as a group.

These guys are Spanish, maybe Dubi speaks/writes the best English so he has more of a front of house role?

i personally like the collective model.

Edit : hyp3rids is also a collective and chewiesmoke is their front man.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

In a collective structure the decision making power is horizontally distributed between members.

It isn’t like the structure at a modern capitalist work place where the boss man Makes a decision then passes orders vertically down the chain of command.

They are all “the Breeder” it’s not a singular person. they make the decisions as a group.

These guys are Spanish, maybe Dubi speaks/writes the best English so he has more of a front of house role?

i personally like the collective model.

I know this and how they started with stuff from the Vibes Collective.
there has been dishonesty from the start.

You are all free to feel anyway you want about ACE.
they produce interesting seeds that people enjoy.
I don’t want to spend any more time or energy on them .

my personal experience with Dubi was terrible and revealed he is extremely egotistical and has truly sick views about the history of Spanish colonialism in the Americas. excusing genocide because the Spanish civilized them And taught them the true god? Who thinks like that these days?
combine that with all the deception in marketing and you have some one I would never support.
that was my original statement. Maybe good seeds, but not someone I would give money to

 

[H e d g e]

Genghis Kush remains a controversial figure. He was generous and intensely loyal to his followers, but ruthless towards his enemies. He welcomed advice from diverse sources in his quest for world domination, for which he believed the shamanic supreme deity Tengri had destined him. The Mongol army under Genghis killed millions of people, yet his conquests also facilitated unprecedented commercial and cultural exchange over a vast geographical area.

 

[FTL]

Genghis Kush remains a controversial figure. He was generous and intensely loyal to his followers, but ruthless towards his enemies. He welcomed advice from diverse sources in his quest for world domination, for which he believed the shamanic supreme deity Tengri had destined him. The Mongol army under Genghis killed millions of people, yet his conquests also facilitated unprecedented commercial and cultural exchange over a vast geographical area.

The most prolific breeder of them all

 

[LHC]

‘So yes, this is very typical when you explore new landraces”

Again, it’s not a landrace.
‘one side of his mouth says “landrace” while the other says it’s a hybrid ace made out of a bunch of seeds sent fron NC

”we” did this “we” did that . He doesn’t say “I” did anything other than collect seeds In the mail.

work on reading comprehension

I appreciate that you read through the post, but it looks like you read it like the devil reads the bible.

He explains how the typical work is when cleaning up landraces from hermaphroditism. Later when evaluating the strain, he clearly states that he do not think it is a landrace.

 

[LHC]

I know this and how they started with stuff from the Vibes Collective.
there has been dishonesty from the start.

You are all free to feel anyway you want about ACE.
I don’t want to spend any more time or energy on them .
my personal experience with Dubi was terrible and revealed he is extremely egotistical and has truly sick views about the history of Spanish colonialism in the Americas. excusing genocide because the Spanish civilized them And taught them the true god? Who thinks like that these days?
combine that with all the deception in marketing and you have some one I would never support.
that was my original statement. Maybe good seeds, but not someone I would give money to

‘buy seeds from who ever you want. I don’t care
im out of this thread.

To me, it looks like there is bad blood between you and dubi and that taints your views about his breeding.

 

[LHC]

I know and Dubi is not the breeder

You keep saying this, but it is not worth much without something to back up your statement.

 

[LHC]

Thanks for posting, I enjoyed reading this. I have a couple of packs in the fridge and this inspired me a bit to plant them.

I like dubi but I don’t think he likes me much talking about relationships to skunk ect. I’ve got a bit of an issue with gmo because of health problems I’ve suffered as a result of modified wheat so for me it’s more important to know if there’s skunk in the genetics than if it’s been hybridised with another sativa or indica variety and sadly nc does.

If you like the ace plants then his Thai and the oth are both none gmo, I’m also looking forward to another one that’s not released yet he’s calling butterfly Thai, from his description of first sampling it sounds like this one could also be pure.

Thank´s a lot for the feedback and recommendations

Just one small (or big) thing. If not made in the very recent time, there is no known GMO cannabis i existence.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

You keep saying this, but it is not worth much without something to back up your statement.

I hope you have a wonderful experience with alll of aces seeds. Many people have .

I appreciate that you read through the post, but it looks like you read it like the devil reads the bible.

He explains how the typical work is when cleaning up landraces from hermaphroditism. Later when evaluating the strain, he clearly states that he do not think it is a landrace.

“Like the devil reads the Bible “
it’s called critical thinking and yes it’s a threat to christian fascists

 

[H e d g e]

Thank´s a lot for the feedback and recommendations

Just one small (or big) thing. If not made in the very recent time, there is no known GMO cannabis i existence.

I wish that was true, I really do.
I go on about it because I think unless we accept this and work together to save what’s left it will be lost forever. Hang on a minute I’ll get some pics to show you what I mean, isn’t the landrace one pretty? You can see why they used these categories when you look at the chromatography.

 

[El Timbo]

I know this and how they started with stuff from the Vibes Collective.
there has been dishonesty from the start.


im out of this thread.

Point of info: They were founded before vibes collective.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

I wish that was true, I really do.
I go on about it because I think unless we accept this and work together to save what’s left it will be lost forever. Hang on a minute I’ll get some chromatography pics to show you what I mean..

possibly, you will have an easier time communicating with people about if you use. a term that isn’t already used to describe something specific in science that isn’t what you are referring to.

most of the responses you wiil be argumentative about definitions instead about the point you are trying to make

it’s impossible to debate things if people are not using the same definitions

 

[H e d g e]

possibly, you will have an easier time communicating with people about if you use. a term that isn’t already used to describe something specific in science that isn’t what you are referring to.

most of the responses you wiil be argumentative about definitions instead about the point you are trying to make

it’s impossible to debate things if people are not using the same definitions

How does frankenplant suffice in your world? Modified, edited, mutated, all the same to me.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

How does frankenplant suffice in your world? Modified, edited, mutated, all the same to me.

my point is that it’s not all the same to the people you are communicating with.
so your point gets lost . I’m trying to help