Pics are clear as day , for anyone to see.
Wether people care or not i don't care , il just point out things I see , as the crowd these days follows anyone and anything people say.
Sheep community these days and people not dare speak up
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Outback Haze #8 x Silk Haze S
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Wether people care or not i don't care , il just point out things I see , as the crowd these days follows anyone and anything people say.
Sheep community these days and people not dare speak up
Stoneguru
Well-known member
Yes, that is why I put together this primer on Nevil's NL5 with pictures. To clarify what NL5 looked like in the cross.
Pictures of the NL5 plant itself, the NL5 x Haze that won and half a dozen other NL5 haze Fgen.
Post in thread 'Outback Haze #8 x Silk Haze S' https://www.icmag.com/threads/outback-haze-8-x-silk-haze-s.18133276/post-18857557
Now you or anyone else should be able to identify the NL5 flattop foxtail trident in Nevil's NL5 x haze. This seems clear, but as you know. I went through 100's of old NL to observe every aspect of that line and what it contributes to NL'haze
The NL5 flat top trident and higher leaf to calyx ratio is just a visual marker of course and does not in and of itself determine whether it smokes like 100% haze or a 100% NL.
Selectively breeding cannabis requires identifying and recording dozens of morphological traits at every stage of growth and qualifying it at the end with analytic terpenes and cannabinoid testing and or smoke testing.
By doing this along with other techniques a breeder can gradually tightening the pattern of variation around their particular goals, but given the diversity of poly-hybrids like haze there will always be degrees of variation from plant to plant.
@ojd if you don't disagree with that statement then let's just drop it.
Stoneguru
Well-known member
Physical traits of a plant don't guarantee quality, but they do give indications of parentage. The more traits that are available to identify the higher the likelihood that the line can be selected and bred toward that parent.
For example. Dwight's Outback Haze #8 has the signature NH21 structure, flowers and morphology, but also has the NH21 dark, dried blood red petiole. This has been passes to all progeny so far in multiple lines.
While leaf morphology changes from plant to plant or line to line, this trait has not changed. The dark coloration moves all the way up the leaflets.
The NH21 petiole are very distinctive, but this is also a great example here about how traits can become buried, hidden or mistaken.
Silk S also has a trade mark red petiole that is passed to almost all progeny in most lines (but not all). Silk S is more of fresh blood red. This color would easily get hidden by NH21/Outback #8 's much darker red petiole.
We doubled down on this trait. It's a signature trait of the highest quality haze selection of Outback haze which was NH21, but also Silk S.
Silk S has an extremely dank vaporized frankincense and Outback does not. What if that piff profile is what I want and I associate it with the red petiole? I am familiar with Ocimene, but most would never identify these levels in fresh flower unless I showed them comparisons.
This is an example of how Singular qualifiers can be problematic. The tendency of anyone working with Outback or other Nevil's work might be to just look for the red petiole. This would be folly!
This mistake has been proven to apply to all of the myths. Narrow leaves, flowering time, plant size, bud structure and countless other haze myths. Singular qualifiers are Folly!
Traits can become associated, disassociated, buried and or hidden. A person could have seen something in a favorite cross once and be completely wrong about its association in another context.
That said. By observing and recording all traits and stages of a plant over generations and multiple crosses you become familiar with the holistic dynamics.
...The more desirable traits selected, the more will start to come forward and materialize. I have selected some traits of what I remembered in haze to then find a familiar 3rd return that wasn't noticed in either parent.
I fully believe it is possible to breed backwards deep into parental lines.
never accept singular qualifiers, answer questions with actions, always be willing to be wrong. Question everything. Especially yourself. Enjoy the process more that the destination.
For example. Dwight's Outback Haze #8 has the signature NH21 structure, flowers and morphology, but also has the NH21 dark, dried blood red petiole. This has been passes to all progeny so far in multiple lines.
While leaf morphology changes from plant to plant or line to line, this trait has not changed. The dark coloration moves all the way up the leaflets.
The NH21 petiole are very distinctive, but this is also a great example here about how traits can become buried, hidden or mistaken.
Silk S also has a trade mark red petiole that is passed to almost all progeny in most lines (but not all). Silk S is more of fresh blood red. This color would easily get hidden by NH21/Outback #8 's much darker red petiole.
We doubled down on this trait. It's a signature trait of the highest quality haze selection of Outback haze which was NH21, but also Silk S.
Silk S has an extremely dank vaporized frankincense and Outback does not. What if that piff profile is what I want and I associate it with the red petiole? I am familiar with Ocimene, but most would never identify these levels in fresh flower unless I showed them comparisons.
This is an example of how Singular qualifiers can be problematic. The tendency of anyone working with Outback or other Nevil's work might be to just look for the red petiole. This would be folly!
This mistake has been proven to apply to all of the myths. Narrow leaves, flowering time, plant size, bud structure and countless other haze myths. Singular qualifiers are Folly!
Traits can become associated, disassociated, buried and or hidden. A person could have seen something in a favorite cross once and be completely wrong about its association in another context.
That said. By observing and recording all traits and stages of a plant over generations and multiple crosses you become familiar with the holistic dynamics.
...The more desirable traits selected, the more will start to come forward and materialize. I have selected some traits of what I remembered in haze to then find a familiar 3rd return that wasn't noticed in either parent.
I fully believe it is possible to breed backwards deep into parental lines.
never accept singular qualifiers, answer questions with actions, always be willing to be wrong. Question everything. Especially yourself. Enjoy the process more that the destination.
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Man your trying to rewrite the whole Outback Haze strain info to 3 people, 2 who have never ever grown or smoked outback Haze, and the 3rd guy dwight who has told many lies when he first turned up online about Nevil and the outback Haze ?Physical traits of a plant don't guarantee quality, but they do give indications of parentage. The more traits that are available to identify the higher the likelihood that the line can be selected and bred toward that parent.
For example. Dwight's Outback Haze #8 has the signature NH21 structure, flowers and morphology, but also has the NH21 dark, dried blood red petiole. This has been passes to all progeny so far in multiple lines.
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While leaf morphology changes from plant to plant or line to line, this trait has not changed. The dark coloration moves all the way up the leaflets.
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The NH21 petiole are very distinctive, but this is also a great example here about how traits can become buried, hidden or mistaken.
Silk S also has a trade mark red petiole that is passed to almost all progeny in most lines (but not all). Silk S is more of fresh blood red. This color would easily get hidden by NH21/Outback #8 's much darker red petiole.
View attachment 19119101 View attachment 19119102
We doubled down on this trait. It's a signature trait of the highest quality haze selection of Outback haze which was NH21, but also Silk S.
Silk S has an extremely dank vaporized frankincense and Outback does not. What if that piff profile is what I want and I associate it with the red petiole? I am familiar with Ocimene, but most would never identify these levels in fresh flower unless I showed them comparisons.
This is an example of how Singular qualifiers can be problematic. The tendency of anyone working with Outback or other Nevil's work might be to just look for the red petiole. This would be folly!
This mistake has been proven to apply to all of the myths. Narrow leaves, flowering time, plant size, bud structure and countless other haze myths. Singular qualifiers are Folly!
Traits can become associated, disassociated, buried and or hidden. A person could have seen something in a favorite cross once and be completely wrong about its association in another context.
That said. By observing and recording all traits and stages of a plant over generations and multiple crosses you become familiar with the holistic dynamics.
...The more desirable traits selected, the more will start to come forward and materialize. I have selected some traits of what I remembered in haze to then find a familiar 3rd return that wasn't noticed in either parent.
I fully believe it is possible to breed backwards deep into parental lines.
never accept singular qualifiers, answer questions with actions, always be willing to be wrong. Question everything. Especially yourself. Enjoy the process more that the destination.
1st Dwight turned up online and claimed he did half of all breed work at the Cannabis castle , i called him out on it then it changed to being just his friend for 30 years ( which is true) not claiming half of all of Nevils seedbank work ?
Then Dwight sent you and many other breeders Outback Haze x NL telling you all it was pure Outback Haze Regular seeds , after you all posted up online you had pure Outback Haze seeds from dwight.
again i callled him out explaining not physically possible as Outback Haze was Feminized only, then dwight and you and everyone had to retract your statements saying it was actually Outback Haze x NL ?
The trust has been lost just with those 2 big lies , and thats only what ive seen because you guys posted it online at websites im on , what else will we find if someone actually looks into dwight , definitely tells many storys so people take any dwight info with a grain of salt. ( look it all up yourself , this stone guy treats dwight like he Nevil and like he achieved anything like Nevil ) not trying to knock dwight but stone keeps pulling him into stones bullshit, stone keeps trying to convince you guys, but man open your eyes please people.
Then you posted pics of Dwights Outback saying it looked like the NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness
, looked zero like it , then you tried to quote a pic of issac Haze ( C5 lineage) saying it looked like the dwight Outback or was a more rounded buds ( that i pointed out on Dwights Outback) Issac looked nothing like it , issac looked all Haze like , Dwights looked like SSH less Haze phenos or NL5 Haze less Haze phenos.Stone trying so hard to find any shred of evidence( and i see today you posting this same thing on all websites
)to convince you of Dwights legendary status Again no hate to Hempy but he never even grown outback Haze, and i not seen any Outback Haze phenos that lean toward Hempys thai pics ( not saying its not in lineage at all) , but looks like it leans away from Hempy's Thai , i seen pheno more looking like Hempy's Thai in other Grail project strains from Nevil like the Swiss Thai Nevil ( but again that is probably coincidence as Swiss Thai is also a very old Thai from 80's or 90's).
You guys want Outback Haze ? , i offer the largest Outback Haze catalogue of hybrids around the world, and the closest thing you can find to pure Outback Haze
Outback Haze catalogue ive put out using 2 Outback Haze clones selected from 2 Original Outback Haze packs Nevil made.
Outback Haze 1 ( wild pheno, heavy Incense, Frankincense and classic A Haze Traits)
Outback Haze 2 ( Pine , Incense and a nice mix of both famous Haze Terps)
Catalogue of Outback Haze work ive made and put out over last 5 years or more
Regular
1.Outback Haze 1 x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Male
2.Outback Haze 2 x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Male
Feminized
3.Outback Haze 1 x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Reversed
4.Outback Haze 2 x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Reversed
These 4 above were a project to try and keep the Outback as pure as possible
Feminized
5.Outback Haze 1 x SSSDH OJD clone Reversed
6.Outback OG = Outback Haze 2 clone x my OG Kush dom Male
7.Australian Chocolate = Outback Haze 1 clone x Chocolope Male from Original pack
8.Australian Candy = Outback OG( Outback Haze x my OG Kush dom Male) x Fuel Zkittles clone Reversed
9.Australian Daywrecker = Outback Haze 2 clone x Chem d Wrecker 1 clone Reversed
10.Nevils Daze wrecker = Outback Haze 1 clone x Chem d Wrecker 1 clone Reversed
11.African Chocolate
= Australian Chocolate clone, Chocolope leaner ( Outback Haze 1 clone x Chocolope Male)x Nevil Haze 23 x Kariba Male
12.ThaiFrican = Outback Haze 2 clone x Nevil Haze 23 x Kariba Male
13.African Outback = Outback Haze 1 clone x Nevil Haze 23 x Kariba Male
14. Gun Salute = Outback Haze 2 clone x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness clone
X Dankincense Male ( NH23 x Kariba x Original Diesel)
15. Back to the Frankincense
Outback Haze 2 clone ( Nevil Schoenmakers) RIP x Dankincense Male
16. Australian OutFunk = Outback Haze x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness x Endangered Rhino
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End the era of 15 years of Connoisseur Genetics page here ( my page will be gone in New year so save any pics you want or aks admin to move your threads to another page), Connoisseur genetics page will be leaving with a bang , dont miss out !
Il still be here in New year unless im banned, but my Connoisseur genetics page will be gone
End the era of 15 years of Connoisseur Genetics page here ( my page will be gone in New year so save any pics you want or aks admin to move your threads to another page), Connoisseur genetics page will be leaving with a bang , dont miss out !
Il still be here in New year unless im banned, but my Connoisseur genetics page will be gone
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I was the first person to be offered the Outback Haze and I said no because I don't like feminised seed, I still stand by that.
My Thai was the last sativa line Nevil tested, and for better or for worse it turned out to be the best Thai out of all the Thai he tested, the only line Nevil ever offered it in was the Outback and that is Thai /NH21 x NH36 so it's a 3/4 NH and 1/4 Thai.
The Swiss Thai wa also excellent, as seeing in all the offspring and even cup wins in largest ever Haze cup with the Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil.
I hear it was your Thai but how can you know a strain with just 25% lineage in it and like I said ive grown 10 outback and done the most breeding work and probably growns most offspring made with the Outback and never seen a Pheno like you post , so it's doesn't show up much or at all.
Your pheno i get many phenos looking like it in the Swiss Thai offspring
Also while your here let's hear what you think , does the pic stone keeps posting of Dwights Outback Haze look anything AT ALL like your Thai or even a proper Sativa Nevil's Haze ? Or does it look like a less Haze dominant pheno of SSH or NL5 Haze, look at those buds, then look at the NH21 pics , then , issac Haze pics , then your pics, then any pics I post of any NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Haze x Haze hybrid I offer.
