What's your go-to breeder nowadays?

[Orange's Greenhouse]

just noticed Crockett Seeds is selling his reg seeds for $50 and you get a vile of seeds with between 35-55 seeds in it

bUt YoU cAn'T mAkE tHeM fOr ThAt PrIcE.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

bUt YoU cAn'T mAkE tHeM fOr ThAt PrIcE.

Not the UK
but in the hills of California it’s like making bird seed

 

[FTL]

markets become legal, less risk, prices go down. Margins tighten.

Prices go down players create economies of scale. Margins tighten further.

Big players buy up little players.

It’s the alcohol industry after prohibition play book.

The days of US$100 10 packs are almost finished.

Working solo (or in small crews), in illegal jurisdictions, in western countries, Indoors, add costs.

Wise breeders will move to legal jurisdictions and do work in green houses and outdoors at scale with low cost labour eg what GHSC is up to in Thailand.

Buy up these little guys seeds now and freeze em cause they Probably won’t be in business in 10 years time they won’t be able to compete in price and more than likely quality too.

What happened to most of the small time moonshiners after prohibition ? Gone. Big boys ran em out of business more effectively than the cops ever could have.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

edit.
Thailand is wonderful

 

[hector_100]

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just noticed Crockett Seeds is selling his reg seeds for $50 and you get a vile of seeds with between 35-55 seeds in it

thats a good deal, crockett is one of my favourite breeders, i always have found a wide variety of pheno's in his work. i think he does his breeding outside though, which would help bring down the cost

 

[Ca++]

Not the UK
but in the hills of California it’s like making bird seed

The UK is the worlds biggest exporter of Medical cannabis products. Mostly to the US.
100% of medical cannabis used in the UK, is imported.
If you want to grow cannabis in the UK, you really need to be in government. Married to the cannabis apposing Prime Minister has proven successful.
The chances of getting a license to grow cannabis for the seeds that have always been legal in the UK, are zero. Because we are not married to the PM. Other than that, it would be perfectly legal.

All the above sounds like absolute forum nonsense, but is actually true. The UK can produce seeds in greenhouses, and does. But you have to be above the law, to make the law work for you

 

[GrayZone]

If you want easy to grow knock out weed, you could also just get some Sensi Star from Paradise or Aurora Indica from Nirvana. They will be available in all seeds shops in Adam.

I did a mini grow about a year ago, like 2x2, 250 HPS, got a few cuttings of Serious kush from Serious seeds. That thing hits like a shotgun slug, uniform, very easy to grow. So that's that in the KO department.

Talking about Serious seeds, I'll go with them. Easily available in Amsterdam, I can even pick the beans up from their office if a strain is not available in shops. And Simon seems to be more in love with breeding and his plants than money, one of rare EU breeders that didn't go the white label route. So I'll rather give him some money than a canna big business company. Besides that, they have some nice old school stuff which I like, and a respectable track record of breeding top-notch, legendary strains. Tested and trusted.

 

[aCBD]

ok, i guess you guys were right... it says "landrace" right there in the web description.

but idk... seems far fetched to imagine him grinning evily while counting his money he knows he scammed from us all, you don't think it could be a case of loose definitions in the weed community?

seriously, he's gonna deceive us all with fake history of new caledonia HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE DUPED BY DUBI TO THINK N.C. HAS LANDRACES?!?! OH, THE HUMANITY...

seriously, that's enough for the dude up there to consider him a lying, shady businessman? not convinced it was for evil purposes, but whatever

Just want to set it right to not be misunderstood.
I respect the work dubi is doing and i think the same like you, it's just a loose definition of terms that are being used.
The N.C. link was shared for information purposes and not to hate on anybody.

 

[GrayZone]

markets become legal, less risk, prices go down. Margins tighten.

Prices go down players create economies of scale. Margins tighten further.

Big players buy up little players.

It’s the alcohol industry after prohibition play book.

The days of US$100 10 packs are almost finished.

Working solo (or in small crews), in illegal jurisdictions, in western countries, Indoors, add costs.

Wise breeders will move to legal jurisdictions and do work in green houses and outdoors at scale with low cost labour eg what GHSC is up to in Thailand.

Buy up these little guys seeds now and freeze em cause they Probably won’t be in business in 10 years time they won’t be able to compete in price and more than likely quality too.

What happened to most of the small time moonshiners after prohibition ? Gone. Big boys ran em out of business more effectively than the cops ever could have.

That's called monopoly.
For a long time we're out of Kansas with this whole thing, it's not anymore the time of hippies coming back from India and Afganistan and vets back from Vietnam, bringing seeds they got along the way, and sharing them back home with friends who started to mess around with crossing strains.

Where there's money, there's greed, where there's a market there are people who will cater to market's wants. That's just gonna get more pronounced with further legalization.

So what you said, "Buy up these little guys seeds now and freeze em...", that was my thinking when I looked into it after a lengthy brake. I'd like to have a collection in fridge, cos at this tempo of pumping out "new" strains, haze, NL, skunk#1, AK, WW...all those "foundation" strains will be a distant memory in near future. Even now, it's questionable does anyone have and who has pre 2000 genetics. There should be an effort to conserve and preserve.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Just want to set it right to not be misunderstood.
I respect the work dubi is doing and i think the same like you, it's just a loose definition of terms that are being used.
The N.C. link was shared for information purposes and not to hate on anybody.

ACE produces some good seeds. That is undeniable .
their marketing teams loose use of words is something else

 

[FTL]

I’m in Thailand and Greenhouse is building new stores (at least 5 by now)while it’s going to be illegal again on January 1st.
something shady going on . he is going to put all the small stores out of biz while keeping his going

Exactly the same way the booze barons did it. It’s the same play book from a business perspective imo.

That's called monopoly.
For a long time we're out of Kansas with this whole thing, it's not anymore the time of hippies coming back from India and Afganistan and vets back from Vietnam, bringing seeds they got along the way, and sharing them back home with friends who started to mess around with crossing strains.

Where there's money, there's greed, where there's a market there are people who will cater to market's wants. That's just gonna get more pronounced with further legalization.

So what you said, "Buy up these little guys seeds now and freeze em...", that was my thinking when I looked into it after a lengthy brake. I'd like to have a collection in fridge, cos at this tempo of pumping out "new" strains, haze, NL, skunk#1, AK, WW...all those "foundation" strains will be a distant memory in near future. Even now, it's questionable does anyone have and who has pre 2000 genetics. There should be an effort to conserve and preserve.

yeah it will head towards an oligopoly.

100% to everything else you said.

Making weed legal makes it less cool somehow imo.

My bet is user numbers paradoxically drop some time after full legalisation. People will just get bored of it and move on as trends change. Of course there will still be core heads like us around though

 

[GrayZone]

Thailand backpedaling on weed? I think it ain't happening, there's more weed shops than 7/11, and there's a 7/11 at every freaking corner in Thailand.
Flying there just after NYs, so let's see...

Of course there will still be core heads like us around though

Fuck yeah, if it ever gets legal in my little EU serfdom-country, I have about 3 acres of land, and guess what's gonna go there...

 

[Podenco]

ACE, Dutch Passion, Serious Seeds. Also Cannabiogen but they don't exist anymore.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

What happened to most of the small time moonshiners after prohibition ? Gone. Big boys ran em out of business more effectively than the cops ever could have.

There are many small destilleries and wine makers all over europe and probably north america.
You have to remember that the market mostly asks for the same. Special products, with interesting flavours, have trouble to sell, no matter what market you're in. If you're in an illegal market and your unique selling point is that you have seeds in stock... then you have a trouble surviving. It's the same with brick and mortar stores competing with drop shippers.

 

[Wolverine97]

genetics do play a role some what . 100 kids with lebrons genes , gives a better chance of finding the athlete winner than 100 different random people, even if they had same ratio of winners as the lebron line.

and jordan is the real king

Agreed on all of that. MJ will always be #1.

But yeah, I disagree with him about the genetic example he was making. You absolutely get much, much better chances of another phenom athlete by starting with elite athlete genetics. You see it all the time in football in particular, where an elite player will have a whole troop of sons who follow after him and become elite players themselves. I see it all the time (I'm a pretty big football guy). I could probably fill a page with examples, just off the top of my head.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

Agreed on all of that. MJ will always be #1.

But yeah, I disagree with him about the genetic example he was making. You absolutely get much, much better chances of another phenom athlete by starting with elite athlete genetics. You see it all the time in football in particular, where an elite player will have a whole troop of sons who follow after him and become elite players themselves. I see it all the time (I'm a pretty big football guy). I could probably fill a page with examples, just off the top of my head.

That genetic example of him is right. It's called regression to the mean. The simplest example is that tall people have average sized children.

Regarding your example I doubt that is due to genetics. It's nurture mostly. There are many sports where you have to start at 3 or 4 years to have a shot at the big leagues, it's expensive aswell.

 

[Hiddenjems]

‘It’s a numbers game. Lebron James parents can have 1,000,000 kids, none as good as Lebron.

So it works like this. You’d get a better athlete by sorting through 100 random people than by having Lebron James parents make 10 more kids to sort.’

does this level of ignorance deserve a response?
anyway it’s not all genetics that produce the outcome.
its nature and nurture .

Look up intelligence distribution among humans. You’ll find something similar. For a person with an Iq over 160, the distribution is the same for the general population as from intelligent parents.

 

[Hiddenjems]

‘It’s a numbers game. Lebron James parents can have 1,000,000 kids, none as good as Lebron.

So it works like this. You’d get a better athlete by sorting through 100 random people than by having Lebron James parents make 10 more kids to sort.’

does this level of ignorance deserve a response?
anyway it’s not all genetics that produce the outcome.
its nature and nurture .

In the sane environment it’s all genetics.

I’ve actually taken statistics and probability.

I’ll take more rolls of the dice over better odds on less rolls every tine.

For example, you need to roll a 5 to win. Would you rather roll 1 six sided die , or get 5 rolls with a 10 sided?