Whats up with my roots?

[couchlockd]

i dont know, i just picked up a bottle of roots excell. as a sample and i got it in a oring sealed glass jar, looks like something albert hoffman would have sotred LSD25 in back in the day.

the roots looks alot like the humboldt roots, and atami ROOT-Bastic, both of which say they cant be shaken.

why they tell you you cant shake them is not that it will ruin the product, but it will cause the product to erupt and spray violently upon opening the cap. i usually just roll it around like a crack chef does a pyrex tube.

i even get pretty fast and almost shaking with it. i just make sure to let it sit for a good 5 minutes after i lightly shake/roll it around.

the bottle of HG roots excell. i got i believe was broken down from a bigger bottle, and then given away as samples in the new small glass bottles. i know the roots is supposed to come in a metal can.

when i was getting this sample, jsut today at 3.30 pm i was going to buy a extra bottle of humboldt roots, as i am low on it, i got handed the can and it was bulged, i mean like a darn bomb waiting to go off. singnaling something is amiss in the bottle i passed on it and got one from the "real" hydro store locally, the other store has a few shelfs full of expired stuff. so....

yeah i was in the same situation as you about a year or so ago. just started getting real lax and cocky, "i got this now, all under controll" like i would expect the plants needed water or food, and start mixing it while lights out, only to find out after they turned on they didnt need it, not fry enough, but close. so not wanting to waste the 5 gallons of nutes/water i made ealier i would just give it. nothing quite as bad happend to me , but the yield could have been way better.

use hygrozyme along with sensizyme. together they are the holy grail of enzymes.

hygrozyme is for good healthy white alive roots, and really dont break down dead/dying root masses like the sensi does.

but the sensi dont take care of the good roots quite like hygro does, so i use them both at full label instructions. remember only so many species or strains or whatever of enzymes can live in the same bottle, ya know?

or any dark enzyme and hygrozyme together, but i feel the senzizyme is the one to use with hygrozyme, or canna zyme if you can find it.

bio boost from canna is also a great root luvy luv type thing for the roots.

this great hobby can seem like work at times, ey?

 

[MIway]

wow... i do that... just type as the thoughts go through... ;-) stoner... lol

 

[inreplyavalon]

i dont know, i just picked up a bottle of roots excell. as a sample and i got it in a oring sealed glass jar, looks like something albert hoffman would have sotred LSD25 in back in the day.

the roots looks alot like the humboldt roots, and atami ROOT-Bastic, both of which say they cant be shaken.

why they tell you you cant shake them is not that it will ruin the product, but it will cause the product to erupt and spray violently upon opening the cap. i usually just roll it around like a crack chef does a pyrex tube.

i even get pretty fast and almost shaking with it. i just make sure to let it sit for a good 5 minutes after i lightly shake/roll it around.

the bottle of HG roots excell. i got i believe was broken down from a bigger bottle, and then given away as samples in the new small glass bottles. i know the roots is supposed to come in a metal can.

when i was getting this sample, jsut today at 3.30 pm i was going to buy a extra bottle of humboldt roots, as i am low on it, i got handed the can and it was bulged, i mean like a darn bomb waiting to go off. singnaling something is amiss in the bottle i passed on it and got one from the "real" hydro store locally, the other store has a few shelfs full of expired stuff. so....

yeah i was in the same situation as you about a year or so ago. just started getting real lax and cocky, "i got this now, all under controll" like i would expect the plants needed water or food, and start mixing it while lights out, only to find out after they turned on they didnt need it, not fry enough, but close. so not wanting to waste the 5 gallons of nutes/water i made ealier i would just give it. nothing quite as bad happend to me , but the yield could have been way better.

use hygrozyme along with sensizyme. together they are the holy grail of enzymes.

hygrozyme is for good healthy white alive roots, and really dont break down dead/dying root masses like the sensi does.

but the sensi dont take care of the good roots quite like hygro does, so i use them both at full label instructions. remember only so many species or strains or whatever of enzymes can live in the same bottle, ya know?

or any dark enzyme and hygrozyme together, but i feel the senzizyme is the one to use with hygrozyme, or canna zyme if you can find it.

bio boost from canna is also a great root luvy luv type thing for the roots.

this great hobby can seem like work at times, ey?

Couchlockd thats pretty funny about the bulging bottle of roots excel. I would never want to be puttin ghtat stuff on my plants. Strangely i always have thought the RootsExcel smells like Coke aine. Weird shit. I am pretty sure my bottle is fine as my hydro shop does A LOT of business and i have 300 gallons of reservoir total and go through about a bottle per a veg+bloom cycle.
The plants are happier now that they are not drying out or soaking as much.
I am a stoner and will quickly move on to another aspect of growing, and often forget everything i once new. I love growing and find it so resoundingly humbling and to me that is one of the rewards involved. I spend a lot of time in my garden, and its time i enjoy.
I had no idea there were such practical differences between the effects of a hygrozyme and a sensizyme. I usually dont use either and just picked up the sensizyme because of the dead roots i discovered. I find when things are dialed and firing, unless i am reusing my coco, its an unnecessary additive. Only because my 5 gallon pots are usually packed tightly with roots.

 

[ralph]

Did you use a different batch of coco? Might of needed to be rinsed?

 

[caljim]

I grow in coco with GH and Roots Excel. Same kind of regime, let em get dry at first and your good to go. Usually....


Occasionally the root ick creeps in, expressed by slow growth and that "sick" look.

I found two things to blame.

1) Cuttings like to get root bound. It seems to me like potting up a distressed plant, like the one you have shown, and then letting it go DRY, encourages fresh clean root growth.

2) Dirty pots. I reuse the same pots over and over again and they were getting covered with scale and what not. A good washing with Physan 20 cleaned them up to like new. No more funk hanging around to harm fresh planted clones.

 

[couchlockd]

the humboldt roots was the bottle that was severely bulged.

 

[inreplyavalon]

1) Cuttings like to get root bound. It seems to me like potting up a distressed plant, like the one you have shown, and then letting it go DRY, encourages fresh clean root growth.

Yes i agree with this, dry, just not too dry. That was my problem. I was just careless and in the push to encourage roots to look for water, and the small cups they were in, they were drying out completely, roots were dying.

It is worth saying, coco hold a good amount of water and air simultaneously. So when we say let it dry out a bit, a good way to think of it is to let it get light brown in color, but not the color of sand... or at least that makes sense to me!

 

[inreplyavalon]

well three weeks later and 90% of plants are still affected. Tried a dead res using h202 method, and now i have moved on to roots excel and hydroguard. Have been using the beneficials for a few days now and it may be too early but it seems to be not improving.

Have checked for bugs with a microscope and saw none, and have been feeding the girls lightly when they are 70% dry. No wilting.

Here are some shots. I am stumped.

One root will be healthy, then brown and dead, and then healthy all in the same root. Anyone got any insight or thoughts?

These plants have been vegging for over 6 weeks and the roots on most look like they are only a week or two old. Sad days on the farm...

this plant here:

used to look like this plant:

 

[Green lung]

Are these the same clone?


Your plants are from the same mother right?

 

[phat15]

are you feeding benificials, enzymes?
if so, you are prob burning your roots,

 

[inreplyavalon]

Are these the same clone?


Your plants are from the same mother right?

this is happening to most of my seed plants and plants from clones, a few different mothers. The clone plants have been grown before

 

[inreplyavalon]

are you feeding benificials, enzymes?
if so, you are prob burning your roots,

for the last three weeks these plants have been fed ONLY 1/2 strength maxibloom and some h202.

I started with the roots excellerator, and sensizyme two days ago when i saw no improvement.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

I don't know man. That plant on the top there has enough roots to be watered twice a day. That is also what the one below once looked like. and i am only watering every other day, or whenever they only have maybe 1/10 the weight as normal.
Been starting plants and seeds in these keg cup and coco for a good many days now and i am confident watering is one of the few things i have a handle on.
Though i appreciate your opinion Green Lung, and your sharing it.

IMO, you have simply let the roots dry out too much, harming them, the slow dying back/browning is just the result of this.

Cannazym helps clear the mess up, try to not let coco dry out too much, it is quite surprising how quickly it goes too far.

 

[inreplyavalon]

IMO, you have simply let the roots dry out too much, harming them, the slow dying back/browning is just the result of this.

Cannazym helps clear the mess up, try to not let coco dry out too much, it is quite surprising how quickly it goes too far.

Thanks for sharing Chaos. This was suggested a few weeks back to me and since then i have been keeping them a bit more moist. Usually watering when they are about 25% wet. I hand water in veg and one or two pots has definitely gotten too dry over the course of the last few weeks, but most have not. Moist pots are watered everyday now and only a few are in keg cups at this point. Others have been up-potted
I imagine its possible that the dead roots from earlier in the grow, maybe a month ago when i was dealing with this, maybe are keeping around some nasty pathogens in the soil. My problem with this theory is that i used bleach/h202 consistently for three weeks and watched some of them get worse.

I am using sensizyme at the moment, do you recommend any furthur/differing benefits from using cannazyme?

 

[Granger2]

Thanks for sharing Chaos. This was suggested a few weeks back to me and since then i have been keeping them a bit more moist. Usually watering when they are about 25% wet. I hand water in veg and one or two pots has definitely gotten too dry over the course of the last few weeks, but most have not. Moist pots are watered everyday now and only a few are in keg cups at this point. Others have been up-potted
I imagine its possible that the dead roots from earlier in the grow, maybe a month ago when i was dealing with this, maybe are keeping around some nasty pathogens in the soil. My problem with this theory is that i used bleach/h202 consistently for three weeks and watched some of them get worse.

I am using sensizyme at the moment, do you recommend any furthur/differing benefits from using cannazyme?

Avalon, I don't see how there could be nasty pathogens after all the bleach, etc. you've applied. I think it's time to lay off the H2O2, bleach, and any other antiseptics. Continue with the zyme, and inoculate with beneficials. Plant Success Soluble is a good one. AN makes beneficials that are among the best.
Periodically feed the microherd with molasses or some other sugar source. Good luck. -granger

 

[High Country]

Root bound, try a bigger pot.

 

[thing]

Is your pH in check?

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Thanks for sharing Chaos. This was suggested a few weeks back to me and since then i have been keeping them a bit more moist. Usually watering when they are about 25% wet. I hand water in veg and one or two pots has definitely gotten too dry over the course of the last few weeks, but most have not. Moist pots are watered everyday now and only a few are in keg cups at this point. Others have been up-potted
I imagine its possible that the dead roots from earlier in the grow, maybe a month ago when i was dealing with this, maybe are keeping around some nasty pathogens in the soil. My problem with this theory is that i used bleach/h202 consistently for three weeks and watched some of them get worse.

I am using sensizyme at the moment, do you recommend any furthur/differing benefits from using cannazyme?

Hi there IRE,
It is not a certainty, there is some interesting debate on the watering of coco on here now, I am just saying what I think is right... from here, from what I have seen. I use coco outdoors in pots and it is a lot of hard work. Without running a proper scientific test, just from observation, there may be some truth in letting coco dry out a bit, or there may not. I have run an entire crop indoors with constant watering, in coco, all well and no root rot.
If you are using bleach, you may well have killed off the microrritzae [sic] bacteria that keep coco healthy and fundamentally prevent root rot, so personally I would flush them through plenty, and treat them to a repot.
Cannazym and Sensizym are basically the same thing afaik, a does of root booster might be good now, to encourage the plant to kick out a new generation of roots...
good luck !
c

 

[Bob-Hope]

Imo chaos is correct give them some cannazyme to clear away the dead rootmass, and then use rhizotonic in your nutes, or just switch to canna on the whole.

BoB

 

[inreplyavalon]

Avalon, I don't see how there could be nasty pathogens after all the bleach, etc. you've applied. I think it's time to lay off the H2O2, bleach, and any other antiseptics. Continue with the zyme, and inoculate with beneficials. Plant Success Soluble is a good one. AN makes beneficials that are among the best.
Periodically feed the microherd with molasses or some other sugar source. Good luck. -granger

Yeah i hear you Granger. Weird but to me the roots are visibly rotting. In this photo you can see brown rotting roots. I have heard that once you start using h202 it is a good idea to continue?
This photo is from yesterday. and these roots look to be rotting to me.

HIGH COUNTRY no doubt some of these ladies need to be transplanted. I have been doing it over the last few days. It is only about 10% of the plants that have roots that look like they want to be transplanted.

THING not really sure as i have not checked in about a week. But the ph going in is 5.8-6.0 every feed.

CHAOS I am in complete agreement with you. I am sure i killed off the good bacteria in an effort to kill the bad. I think good bacteria is important to prevent bad bacteria, but in my experience i have found that if nasty pathogens exist and have a hold, good bacteria is not enough to combat it. Nevertheless i have been trying for three days now and will take a good look at the roots today and see if they are improving. If not i am going back to h202 and increasing the amount. Thanks for sharing your experience. Cheers.

BOB-HOPE I have been doing just that for three days now. Root stimulator and sensizyme.