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Mango Lights, from Sinaloa, wrote :
"Hello, I have been growing for a couple of decades here in Mexico. I can tell you that you can still get "landrace" or Sativa Pura Mexicana commercially. I don't know why it is said that they no longer exist, of course they do. Most of the commercial pot in Mexico City is still the sativa of 30 years ago. Little has changed in that aspect, with the "commercial" weed for the masses.... What has changed a lot is the quality Mota, now the market is flooded with Dutch Mota Indica OG Kush grown indoors. 20 years ago, you could get the famous Lemon-Lime-Zorrilluda, a sativa that tasted like lemon and also like Skunk, or the "Michoafghani", an Indica combined with some Sativa that resulted in something exquisite. Actually, it is difficult to talk about "names" 25 years ago there was no such concept, but the Mota "Export Quality" in my opinion, was hybridized with Indicas in massive Outdoor crops and came from Michoacan. Ok now, with knowledge of cause, I must guide you with some concepts: The pure Sativas are predominantly in the south, that is to say where the photoperiod is tropical as Oaxaca, Chiapas or Guerrero, from Michoacán, towards the north (Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Chihuahua), predominate more the hybrids with Indicas, since the country is divided by the Tropic of Cancer, to the south Sativas, to the North Sativas mixed with Indicas. Speaking of what interests you, which are the pure Sativas, in my experience what arrives here in Mexico City and with 25 years self-cultivating, I want to see the day that I get a Sativa plant that tastes like Skunk, if you want to know something distinctive of a Mexican Sativa is that they always taste like fruit (as long as they are well cultivated). Within the fruity aspect, there are tendencies to pine, mango, tangerine, orange, and lemon, I even had one that tasted like honey, like sugar. But never hashish or skunk. The best Mota I ever saw in my life, was 23 years ago, my conecte brought a mota from Michoacan, they were giant colas the size of an arm, wide, sinsemilla, with crystals and giant red hairs, tangerine-skunk flavor, simply superior to anything I have smoked or seen in 25 years, it was clearly a superior Sativa/Indica, we called it the "fire" later I investigated and learned that at that time the growers called it the "Micho-Afghani". Insisting with the myth that the pure Sativas have disappeared, which is a fallacy, here in Mexico Mota of two types is cultivated: the commercial that continues being the Sativas that all want in Europe and that they believe extinct, and the Mota of Export that is Hydro Dutch, What disappears are the glorious hybrids of the 80's of the best Sativas with the best Afghanis and Kush, those first experiments were the maximum expression of the Cannabis. So don't panic, if you want pure Mexican seeds, there are plenty here, I send them to you by mail, (you pay for the shipping) anyway I throw them away, hahaha. Recently I came across a very rare specimen, which could be the Purple Zacatecas, in my life I had never seen a Sativa so purple, I attach photos below. It had a sweet taste almost like honey. Regarding the Aca Gold, for me it is a myth, or I did not get to know it because it is very old, the weed I have smoked in Acapulco is of terrible quality, with the same expired genes of the Sierra de Atoyac of 40 years ago, the Aca Gold must have been in reality some Lemon Lime.
The pure Sativas of the 70's in the south, have hardly changed and in their absence, their potency has diminished. The growers are foolish and ignorant, they insist to continue planting the same (Guerrero), when there are states that have evolved (Mich, Sin, Chih) their crops with Hybrids in the '80s and nowadays with Hydro. Only in the South you will find pure Sativas, in the North I see it difficult because of the extensive hybridization that took place in the 80s when marijuana was produced with "Export Quality" to the United States. The largest sinsemilla plantations in the world existed or still exist in the highlands of Sinloa and Chihuahua. All the Sativa that arrives to Mexico City is from the south and landrace, don't ask for names please. For me within the pure Sativas the holy-grail of Mexican weed, without a doubt is the Lima Limon, Verde Limon, they are the same and it is from Sinaloa, the gringos call it "Sinaloa Green". A mixture of mango flavor with skunk, exquisite. And as I mentioned, the glorious Ochentera era of export hybrids when the Colombian Sativa, Lemon Lime, was mixed with Afghani No1 which produced Michoafghani, which was the best natural marijuana planting the world has ever known. But not even the fucking Gringos or the Dutch like the whore of Arjan who feels like the slimy little prick, "The King of Marijuana" yes of course pendejo, take a walk so that he can give you your little classes.
Although I don't understand the hysteria about landraces if they are really regular quality weed. The only detectable Landrace, in my opinion, would be what is left of the Aca Gold, which today is the most horrible and disgusting weed I know, I lived in Acapulco for a while and never smoked anything good, pure "Golden" crushed septum that gets you high for 10 minutes and the rest of the day as if it were tobacco. My theory is that the further north you go, the better the quality of the weed, although in Oaxaca I did get giant green sativa colas. For me, the ugliest comes from Guerrero. The best is undoubtedly Michoacán and Sinaloa. The sativa weed that floods the df are crushed colas with seed, sativas from Guerrero and Oax, if I plant them, the quality improves a lot. You want pure sativas and I've had enough, hahaha, I'm looking for what is not here, which are hybrids or indicas. The old jipis say that there was a PopoBlue from the state of Puebla, you may have tried it once, it tasted like roses and it was like it had LSD, and also in the state of Mexico they grew very good weed, in Zacazonapan and Nanchititla, hot land, giant colas of indica sativa, that was 20 years ago the golden age. I remember we used to go to Ixtapan de la Sal and they would give us huge huatos, with huge green colas with a fruity pine smell from another planet. That no longer exists, only the mediocre landraces with expired genes continue to exist.
hello mango
i am from sinaloa, and i have the jarilla de sinaloa, and several others,
I was a planter of landraces all my life, until the chaparras indiconas arrived, that because of their speed, gained ground to the pure sativas, but I was not a planter in my house or yard, I planted in the Sierra Madre, and different parts. I worked with lemon green, lemon green, it owes its name to the smell of lemon, but what made it very good, and pursued is that it retains its green even after drying, it remains green and tender lemon color, very nice, that here in Sinaloa there are strong motes there are, but it depends on the taste, the young people want hybrids, that knockdown, the old ones want long December sativas,
I have talked about it a lot with my good friend kaiki from Cannabiogen, one of the only ones, or the only one who preserves the lines of the heart-shaped pot, if you're a heavy smoker, not just any pot will get you high,
i have a hybrid line la piedra de chihuahua, it's a tumbadora, full on, and they ask me for it everywhere, here, and personally i like them more if they are sativa upwards, like my jarilla de Sinaloa, and yes you are right, the pot here in Sinaloa has a reputation of being very strong, and yes there are. but I tell you it is a matter of taste, everything here is based on how the gringos ask for it, if you plant pot and you can not sell it, then there is no business, if the gringos ask for chaparras.
Not all Mexican landraces are tropical with thin leaves, I have seen a little wider leaf and darker green, without being indica. The same species can vary with the years with a difference of cultivation of 1000-1500m, there are two lines of height or zones of cultivation: from 500 to 1000 m of height (first massif of the western mountain range where they grow those of thinner and tropical leaf) and the second massif of the mountain range or more to the south what is the neovolcanic axis where it is planted to greater altitude say of 1500 to 3000 meters, where it adapted more the thick leaf starting from the same original species. The origin of the Mexican weed seems to be Sativa from India and Thai, speaking of more than 60-100 years ago. It was introduced by the Chinese in Sinaloa. The purple variety I grew had nothing indica about it, other than the appearance, but the taste and high was sativa. Nice pictures Glennorch and I agree with the Paraquat, but that happened in the north, not in the south, where pure landraces are still abundant, which have been mixed equally between them because the potency is still good, comes to mind the Acapulco weed that comes down from the Sierra de Atoyac, that landrace is the only one I have detected with low potency, the same genes of the 60's without mixing. Now there was a weed from the highlands of Guerrero very good, no longer found, it was the Cola Roja de Chilpancingo, similar to a lemon lime but more fruity. Well I found a couple of photos. One is of the commercial tropical landrace smoked by the general population in DFlandrace.jpglandrace2.jpg and the second is of those same home grown landraces freshly cut. As you can see it is 100% clear sativa. I envy my friend Sergio from Sinaloa who has access to the chaparra plant line and the lemon-lime and I know how good it is. The only time I visited Sinaloa, Mazatlan, we went on a mountain bike expedition to the Sierra, we got to a town called Panuco and some kids did me the favor of hooking me up with a 50 varos super grated guatito. Pura Verde Limón as you mention, azorrillada is delicious, we did not expect such quality at such a ridiculous price, and the guy told us that it was a little dry and that there was even better. Sinaloa is, has been, and will be the capital of Mota followed by Michoacán. And for Landraces, Mexico City, Guerrero or Oax, where Indicas have not yet arrived.
Now, also in my local area I have noticed that in my growing conditions at 2400msn all plants tend to smell fruity, whether indica or sativa, you have to consider that, the same variety growing in another place, in the forest at higher or lower altitude could acquire different fragrances. This I comment it since some time they brought me a super skunk of Sensi seeds and the plant grew smelling like fruit chewing gum, not to indica. There is a landrace that I have not mentioned that comes from Chamela Jalisco, I named it the "Mango Light" and the story is that in 1997 we were smoking junk on the beach and luckily we got an "export" looking hybrid and skunky, I saved and planted the 3 seeds it brought, and of 3 plants, 2 of them came out very "monster" type, big and fat colas (I have some photos to look for them) but with little flavor and the 3rd plant came out different, with thin leaves, skinny cola, being of the same strain, very sativa, and very green-golden (as they like it) it had the most exquisite flavor I have ever tasted, better than any hydro. One toke and it made you salivate from the intense mango flavor. I imagine that this variety is the one that everyone is looking for and that I myself am still looking for, if it is a pure Sativa. I imagine that Mango Light must be like the Aca Gold was back in the day (or hopefully it was preserved, but in 97).
Don't mess with the Sergio!!! ufff how it must smell!!! pure skunk!!! what a beauty. I can imagine it must be a mix of lemon lime (tall) with Afghana (short). I hope that this weed is not pressed into partitions at harvest time, as this is the most effective way to break the mother of a good cola. Here in Mexico City the chaparras from Sinaloa, with indica smell, are sold as hydro (as it smells the same) 100 varos per gram. The key to their high price is not to crush them.
Mango Lights, from Sinaloa, wrote :
"Hello, I have been growing for a couple of decades here in Mexico. I can tell you that you can still get "landrace" or Sativa Pura Mexicana commercially. I don't know why it is said that they no longer exist, of course they do. Most of the commercial pot in Mexico City is still the sativa of 30 years ago. Little has changed in that aspect, with the "commercial" weed for the masses.... What has changed a lot is the quality Mota, now the market is flooded with Dutch Mota Indica OG Kush grown indoors. 20 years ago, you could get the famous Lemon-Lime-Zorrilluda, a sativa that tasted like lemon and also like Skunk, or the "Michoafghani", an Indica combined with some Sativa that resulted in something exquisite. Actually, it is difficult to talk about "names" 25 years ago there was no such concept, but the Mota "Export Quality" in my opinion, was hybridized with Indicas in massive Outdoor crops and came from Michoacan. Ok now, with knowledge of cause, I must guide you with some concepts: The pure Sativas are predominantly in the south, that is to say where the photoperiod is tropical as Oaxaca, Chiapas or Guerrero, from Michoacán, towards the north (Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Chihuahua), predominate more the hybrids with Indicas, since the country is divided by the Tropic of Cancer, to the south Sativas, to the North Sativas mixed with Indicas. Speaking of what interests you, which are the pure Sativas, in my experience what arrives here in Mexico City and with 25 years self-cultivating, I want to see the day that I get a Sativa plant that tastes like Skunk, if you want to know something distinctive of a Mexican Sativa is that they always taste like fruit (as long as they are well cultivated). Within the fruity aspect, there are tendencies to pine, mango, tangerine, orange, and lemon, I even had one that tasted like honey, like sugar. But never hashish or skunk. The best Mota I ever saw in my life, was 23 years ago, my conecte brought a mota from Michoacan, they were giant colas the size of an arm, wide, sinsemilla, with crystals and giant red hairs, tangerine-skunk flavor, simply superior to anything I have smoked or seen in 25 years, it was clearly a superior Sativa/Indica, we called it the "fire" later I investigated and learned that at that time the growers called it the "Micho-Afghani". Insisting with the myth that the pure Sativas have disappeared, which is a fallacy, here in Mexico Mota of two types is cultivated: the commercial that continues being the Sativas that all want in Europe and that they believe extinct, and the Mota of Export that is Hydro Dutch, What disappears are the glorious hybrids of the 80's of the best Sativas with the best Afghanis and Kush, those first experiments were the maximum expression of the Cannabis. So don't panic, if you want pure Mexican seeds, there are plenty here, I send them to you by mail, (you pay for the shipping) anyway I throw them away, hahaha. Recently I came across a very rare specimen, which could be the Purple Zacatecas, in my life I had never seen a Sativa so purple, I attach photos below. It had a sweet taste almost like honey. Regarding the Aca Gold, for me it is a myth, or I did not get to know it because it is very old, the weed I have smoked in Acapulco is of terrible quality, with the same expired genes of the Sierra de Atoyac of 40 years ago, the Aca Gold must have been in reality some Lemon Lime.
The pure Sativas of the 70's in the south, have hardly changed and in their absence, their potency has diminished. The growers are foolish and ignorant, they insist to continue planting the same (Guerrero), when there are states that have evolved (Mich, Sin, Chih) their crops with Hybrids in the '80s and nowadays with Hydro. Only in the South you will find pure Sativas, in the North I see it difficult because of the extensive hybridization that took place in the 80s when marijuana was produced with "Export Quality" to the United States. The largest sinsemilla plantations in the world existed or still exist in the highlands of Sinloa and Chihuahua. All the Sativa that arrives to Mexico City is from the south and landrace, don't ask for names please. For me within the pure Sativas the holy-grail of Mexican weed, without a doubt is the Lima Limon, Verde Limon, they are the same and it is from Sinaloa, the gringos call it "Sinaloa Green". A mixture of mango flavor with skunk, exquisite. And as I mentioned, the glorious Ochentera era of export hybrids when the Colombian Sativa, Lemon Lime, was mixed with Afghani No1 which produced Michoafghani, which was the best natural marijuana planting the world has ever known. But not even the fucking Gringos or the Dutch like the whore of Arjan who feels like the slimy little prick, "The King of Marijuana" yes of course pendejo, take a walk so that he can give you your little classes.
Although I don't understand the hysteria about landraces if they are really regular quality weed. The only detectable Landrace, in my opinion, would be what is left of the Aca Gold, which today is the most horrible and disgusting weed I know, I lived in Acapulco for a while and never smoked anything good, pure "Golden" crushed septum that gets you high for 10 minutes and the rest of the day as if it were tobacco. My theory is that the further north you go, the better the quality of the weed, although in Oaxaca I did get giant green sativa colas. For me, the ugliest comes from Guerrero. The best is undoubtedly Michoacán and Sinaloa. The sativa weed that floods the df are crushed colas with seed, sativas from Guerrero and Oax, if I plant them, the quality improves a lot. You want pure sativas and I've had enough, hahaha, I'm looking for what is not here, which are hybrids or indicas. The old jipis say that there was a PopoBlue from the state of Puebla, you may have tried it once, it tasted like roses and it was like it had LSD, and also in the state of Mexico they grew very good weed, in Zacazonapan and Nanchititla, hot land, giant colas of indica sativa, that was 20 years ago the golden age. I remember we used to go to Ixtapan de la Sal and they would give us huge huatos, with huge green colas with a fruity pine smell from another planet. That no longer exists, only the mediocre landraces with expired genes continue to exist.
hello mango
i am from sinaloa, and i have the jarilla de sinaloa, and several others,
I was a planter of landraces all my life, until the chaparras indiconas arrived, that because of their speed, gained ground to the pure sativas, but I was not a planter in my house or yard, I planted in the Sierra Madre, and different parts. I worked with lemon green, lemon green, it owes its name to the smell of lemon, but what made it very good, and pursued is that it retains its green even after drying, it remains green and tender lemon color, very nice, that here in Sinaloa there are strong motes there are, but it depends on the taste, the young people want hybrids, that knockdown, the old ones want long December sativas,
I have talked about it a lot with my good friend kaiki from Cannabiogen, one of the only ones, or the only one who preserves the lines of the heart-shaped pot, if you're a heavy smoker, not just any pot will get you high,
i have a hybrid line la piedra de chihuahua, it's a tumbadora, full on, and they ask me for it everywhere, here, and personally i like them more if they are sativa upwards, like my jarilla de Sinaloa, and yes you are right, the pot here in Sinaloa has a reputation of being very strong, and yes there are. but I tell you it is a matter of taste, everything here is based on how the gringos ask for it, if you plant pot and you can not sell it, then there is no business, if the gringos ask for chaparras.
Not all Mexican landraces are tropical with thin leaves, I have seen a little wider leaf and darker green, without being indica. The same species can vary with the years with a difference of cultivation of 1000-1500m, there are two lines of height or zones of cultivation: from 500 to 1000 m of height (first massif of the western mountain range where they grow those of thinner and tropical leaf) and the second massif of the mountain range or more to the south what is the neovolcanic axis where it is planted to greater altitude say of 1500 to 3000 meters, where it adapted more the thick leaf starting from the same original species. The origin of the Mexican weed seems to be Sativa from India and Thai, speaking of more than 60-100 years ago. It was introduced by the Chinese in Sinaloa. The purple variety I grew had nothing indica about it, other than the appearance, but the taste and high was sativa. Nice pictures Glennorch and I agree with the Paraquat, but that happened in the north, not in the south, where pure landraces are still abundant, which have been mixed equally between them because the potency is still good, comes to mind the Acapulco weed that comes down from the Sierra de Atoyac, that landrace is the only one I have detected with low potency, the same genes of the 60's without mixing. Now there was a weed from the highlands of Guerrero very good, no longer found, it was the Cola Roja de Chilpancingo, similar to a lemon lime but more fruity. Well I found a couple of photos. One is of the commercial tropical landrace smoked by the general population in DFlandrace.jpglandrace2.jpg and the second is of those same home grown landraces freshly cut. As you can see it is 100% clear sativa. I envy my friend Sergio from Sinaloa who has access to the chaparra plant line and the lemon-lime and I know how good it is. The only time I visited Sinaloa, Mazatlan, we went on a mountain bike expedition to the Sierra, we got to a town called Panuco and some kids did me the favor of hooking me up with a 50 varos super grated guatito. Pura Verde Limón as you mention, azorrillada is delicious, we did not expect such quality at such a ridiculous price, and the guy told us that it was a little dry and that there was even better. Sinaloa is, has been, and will be the capital of Mota followed by Michoacán. And for Landraces, Mexico City, Guerrero or Oax, where Indicas have not yet arrived.
Now, also in my local area I have noticed that in my growing conditions at 2400msn all plants tend to smell fruity, whether indica or sativa, you have to consider that, the same variety growing in another place, in the forest at higher or lower altitude could acquire different fragrances. This I comment it since some time they brought me a super skunk of Sensi seeds and the plant grew smelling like fruit chewing gum, not to indica. There is a landrace that I have not mentioned that comes from Chamela Jalisco, I named it the "Mango Light" and the story is that in 1997 we were smoking junk on the beach and luckily we got an "export" looking hybrid and skunky, I saved and planted the 3 seeds it brought, and of 3 plants, 2 of them came out very "monster" type, big and fat colas (I have some photos to look for them) but with little flavor and the 3rd plant came out different, with thin leaves, skinny cola, being of the same strain, very sativa, and very green-golden (as they like it) it had the most exquisite flavor I have ever tasted, better than any hydro. One toke and it made you salivate from the intense mango flavor. I imagine that this variety is the one that everyone is looking for and that I myself am still looking for, if it is a pure Sativa. I imagine that Mango Light must be like the Aca Gold was back in the day (or hopefully it was preserved, but in 97).
Don't mess with the Sergio!!! ufff how it must smell!!! pure skunk!!! what a beauty. I can imagine it must be a mix of lemon lime (tall) with Afghana (short). I hope that this weed is not pressed into partitions at harvest time, as this is the most effective way to break the mother of a good cola. Here in Mexico City the chaparras from Sinaloa, with indica smell, are sold as hydro (as it smells the same) 100 varos per gram. The key to their high price is not to crush them.
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