What the hell is going on with my plants!?

[Guest]

I did this about 30 hours ago. They are in 5-6 inch diameter pots. Soil still is moonshine mix. I used Alaska Fish Fertilizer (5-1-1) that I had bought at the hydro shop awhile back. Full Dosage was 1 tablespoon to a gallon. The plant in the smaller cup lost all of its bigger leaves, so it appears it was perfectly fine, but was just as bad prior to watering with the ferts.

 

[Pops]

You basically stated in your first post that you were using test strips to measure your PH and that they didn't go below 6.0. Your runoff was registering at 6.0 but could have been much lower. Sometimes soil manufacturers have a batch that is not mixed up well. You may well have too much peat in your mix. Regular peat that has been soaked with water PHed at 6.1 will have a runoff of 4.6-4.8. If your plants are sitting in soil with a Ph down in the 5+ range, there will be nute lockout. The lime should cure that, but apparently hasn't yet. It really is hard to tell without a decent PH meter. Since Casey Jones is one of Gr3atful H3ad's strains, why don't you PM him and ask. He is a great grower and willing to help. Sorry, just noticed you don't have enough posts to PM anyone.

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya give them more time to recover now that you got them into soil. Tablespoon may have been to much for as little as they are.... but we will find out
More likely you should of used 1 or 2 tsp's
They will recover just give them a little more time; remember growing in soil takes longer to show an issue; also by the time it shows an issue it's going to take time to fix it and recover.


Are you using tap water? Watch out for spring water, because a lot of companies add sodium in there and you do NOT want to give that to your plants. Sodium is added for taste.
not to mention sodium is the first thing absorbed and enough of it causes major lockout issues by collapsing the inside of the plants system.

It causes slow stunted growth, droopy plants and halted growth where the plant will not grow anymore no matter what you do.
This has happend to me before, I was using city water and they had softened water.

Not saying this is the cause of your problem but I am just letting you know

 

[Guest]

I'm not going to mess with spring water etc right now. I had used it for one or two waterings but this was well into the period of having issues. If this doesn't work, should I consider the possibility that my tap water has too much sodium in it? As far as the lime is concerned, hopefully if that was the problem it will be solved in the coming days as I added more lime to the mix when I transplanted. Also, I want to give thanks to everyone posting in here and the few that have stuck around in an attempt to help resolve my newbiness, specifically MynameStich.

The sodium think concerns me, as stated I have another plant that was just as bad off, but when placed outside took off within a week or two. The only difference being the water it was recieving(rain only.. and ALOT of it at that). Add that to the fact that when I transplanted these plants in the past(too many times), they took off UNTIL I began watering them and then reverted back to dying.

 

[Guest]

The more I think of the way things played out in this grow, the more I am starting to believe the contributing factor besides my mistakes has been the use of tap water. I am not sure what in it besides sodium could be doing it, but perhaps it is sodium. The plant outside was just checked and it is looking extremely extremely nice. I think I am going to collect some stream water/rain water, add some mosquito dunks to it and use this to water.

 

[MynameStitch]

Why add mosqutio dunks?

Not sure if you have sodium in your water or not..... You will have to ask for a water read out from your water company. here is a picture of one of my plants long time ago. I had to go to the store to get RO water,because my water was bad too and caused me to lose some plants..... not all strains it seemed to affect it the same way....

I am not saying your grow is caused by bad water; I am not sure but I am just saying that plant looked just like mine when I was having issues with my water.

No matter what I did I transplanted it later on... but it was not absorbing water like it should have been and it yellowed, because of it not absorbing water and nutrients.

I later transplanted it and it never got better nor did it grow it was like 6 weeks old in this picture.


Since you stated your grow has been bad since you were using your tap water; I would suggest using a different source. RO water or Spring water.
If you use spring water make sure it does not have sodium in it.
When you pick either of them; you will have to have calicum/magnsieum suppliment. Dolomite lime should be added to your soil mixture you have now.. wait I think you already added it right?

nm then lol


Either way if your plants do not improve in this mixture then you know it was your water that was causing the issue..... I would still use a different water source now and stop using the tap.
If you want to use rain water get a bucket and let it sit out untill you have enough water and then get gallons and fill it up.
Hopefully your plants will recover if water is the culprit, mine never did

How often were you watering your plants? How much?

 

[Guest]

I just collected a few gallons of stream water - perfect at a pH of 6.5. Would I have to add calcium/mg to this? If so, in what form? I was watering the plants whenever the cups were very light. When that didnt work, I started watering more often - allowing a bit of run off each time. Neither method worked =p. Yes, your plants look just like mine do now haha.

 

[MynameStitch]

He is not using hydrated lime; I checked moonshine mix and it does not contain hydrated only dolomite lime.


Also the thread starter stated he is using dolomite lime.

 

[Guest]

Yes, I am using dolomite lime.

 

[moonymonkey]

seems lik over watering,the amont being the problem me thinks,i wud measure exactly,how much water it takes in ounces,to water until a few drops come out the bottom,then i wud reduce the amont of water by a ounce at a time each time i water,unti plant starts taking up the water fast and starts growing well hold there,until plant strats using that amont of water to fast up the amont b a ounce.you can over water a transplant,they dont always want to be flooded on transplant,lik in your case.the plant outside gets sunshine,alot diff. then wat you got inside,diff. conditions...and plants will behave very diff. sometimes....hope it helps ...have a good day and much luck peace mooon/

 

[MynameStitch]

It's not overwatering because the leaves are to close to the plant to be overwatering; overwatering the plant will have a droopiness, this plant is droopiness but its drooped it's leaves to far down to be over watering; more like it looks like underwatered now... but his plants are in the process hopefully of recovering right now.

 

[Guest]

Still no improvement, but its only been 2 days so we will see still. Going to water with stream water from here on out.

 

[moonymonkey]

i looked at the pics again,ur right,onthat count my bad,but i still say the amont of water was wrong imho....peace out moon/arie

 

[Guest]

The thing with that is, the same droopiness has occured right along and as I said only rights itself a few days after transplant before once again going limp. If it was a case of purely underwatering, wouldnt my plants respond even alittle after a nice dry then watering? If anything, they get progressively worse.

 

[MynameStitch]

WHat water did you use before you had trouble?

 

[Guest]

I was using straight tap @ pH 6.8. Perhaps I was overwatering when they were small, although I am not sure. At that time, I was using Miracle Grow Organic Choice. They seemed fine for the first 2 weeks or so, then started slowing in growth, turning yellow, then going limp. Two weeks later I transfered to moonshine mix. Upon transfer they responded in growth(hadn't watered yet). They doubled in size over 3 days, when they started showing signs of needing water, I did so and it has been a game of water = droopiness/yellow/dying, transfer = plant rebound until the next water and so fourth.

 

[Guest]

Checked today, I had watered 2 plants late last night. I didn't see any signs of improvement, but today upon lights on, the 2 plants I watered are perking up for once. Yellowing seems to be continuing on the bottom sets of leaves. I watered the remaining and will see what their condition is like tommorrow.

 

[MynameStitch]

The yellowing will not recover; so you want to make sure the yellowing does not go to the other leaves that are still green