Hummmm they always knew this they just choose to ignore it ! There has always been clean energy .Ask the powers that be they know this but they wouldn't make as much cash as they do right now off of YOU.. headband 707:yay:
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What is fracking and why is it controversial?
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i believe the whole objective is to fuck the place up so bad that when the meek do actually inherit the earth they are not going to want it.
fracking is BAD! mkay
fracking is BAD! mkay
Hello all,
Everyone bitches about fracking yet let me ask you...what are you willing to give up so that the need for petroleum products no longer requires fracking?
Anyone notice (in the US) that gas prices are not astronomical like oh I don't know, say Europe. I wonder if this is due to our lower dependence on foreign oil.
Cheap energy but don't phuque up the environment mentality baffles me.
I can recognize that I am also a part of the problem...I could give up my car, go off the grid, grow my own food, raise rabbits and live of the fat of the land...OK George, I will turn off the rant.
So before people start saying things like...phuque fracking...what are you doing to perpetuate or exacerbate the problem?
Just say'in
minds_I
Everyone bitches about fracking yet let me ask you...what are you willing to give up so that the need for petroleum products no longer requires fracking?
Anyone notice (in the US) that gas prices are not astronomical like oh I don't know, say Europe. I wonder if this is due to our lower dependence on foreign oil.
Cheap energy but don't phuque up the environment mentality baffles me.
I can recognize that I am also a part of the problem...I could give up my car, go off the grid, grow my own food, raise rabbits and live of the fat of the land...OK George, I will turn off the rant.
So before people start saying things like...phuque fracking...what are you doing to perpetuate or exacerbate the problem?
Just say'in
minds_I
No they could make plenty of money still, that's not the problem. The problem is it is expensive to build the infrastructure for clean energy and the powers that be figure, why should we do that when we got this perfectly fine infrastructure already in place that we don't have to build so much for? Trust me, if somehow the world's sources of oil and natural gas and coal dried up you'd see nuclear reactors popping up like daisies.
not like that is any better in any dimension ... fuck nukes.
plus it takes 10 years to build a nuke generator.
imho they want to frack specifically to fuck up the world's clean water. so that, when electricity is finally free, there is still something "they" can charge me a monthly rate to acquire.
remember when that south american country was PROHIBITED from collecting rainwater and was FORCED to buy from the corporate supplier?
i wouldn't say fuck fracking, but fuck the wild west of fracking, force the companies to stick to the rules and make no mistakes. they need to be safety conscious enough that when the hole is too deep due to a mistake, using the wrong plan what ever, don't just use the hole anyway. fix things first. if they work well and correctly the fracking should not effect the ground water. there is thick layers of rock between where they are supposed to be fracking and where the water aquifers are. not sure how you force them not to take short cuts and not to employ under trained personnel though, thats the problem. if they fuck it up, it can be real bad for the environment and the people living near by. in gasland they show you taps that spit gas out with the water, you can actually light the water. as for the earth quakes, i'm not sure i remember how they are connected to fracking.
then there is the proprietary liquid they use to pump in to help the process, they call it water, but it's not plain water its a mixture of water and chemicals, some of it quite nasty stuff as far as i remember. but yeah in theory there is supposed to be at least 40 foot of rock layers between the ground water and the fracking depth. i'm not really sure yet about this tech and what to think. seems the risks are smaller then deep sea drilling for eg. but the rewards are much smaller too for individual sites i would imagine.
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then there is the proprietary liquid they use to pump in to help the process, they call it water, but it's not plain water its a mixture of water and chemicals, some of it quite nasty stuff as far as i remember. but yeah in theory there is supposed to be at least 40 foot of rock layers between the ground water and the fracking depth. i'm not really sure yet about this tech and what to think. seems the risks are smaller then deep sea drilling for eg. but the rewards are much smaller too for individual sites i would imagine.
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There is no doubt that our dependancy is beyond what it should be. This doesn't take away from the fact that Canada and the USA have ignored other CLEAN ENERGY sources and they do this at earth's peril. To treat this earth the way we have lately and feel this will have zero consequence's is beyond stupid. As far as Europe having to pay this is not why they are where they are now today.. It's corrupt Gov that Govern these prices. For example Japan own's Jamaica's power and they charge them a lot for it!! Gov do this to their own ppl . We are asses not demanding they do better as if that would even matter lol. Look at Fukushima and what they have done there this is who is in charge of power LOL. we fucked,, stay frosty headband 707
Penn State and Texas do have it bad no doubt. Gas companies are only going down 1,000' then hydro fracturing the formation. That is still in the natural aquifer. In North Dakota they are going down 10,000' and then going horizontal. This is a mile and a half of solid rock below our deepest water tables. I have several wells around my house on the lake and my water is fine. The lake is also in great shape.
ganjalfthegreen
Member
wantaknow - Yeah im a "Canuck", and lets not compare the way things are done differently north and south as far as health and enviroment are concerned because you know we will win that battle...
As far as the wireline? lol I spent 10 years in slickline bud, for the last 3 years i have been operating a 120k standalone ram to ram snubbing unit. Or what you "yankees" would refer to as hydraulic workover rigs.
The charges on e-line are to perforate the casing at intervals where the frack ports will be located in the initial completion/frac string. They are not to crack, or seperate the formation. You know those frac ports? frac balls? formation fracture points? thats what does it "bubs".
Im not even in that line of work and i know this, so whats your excuse, oh yeah, thats right your a driver....
As far as the wireline? lol I spent 10 years in slickline bud, for the last 3 years i have been operating a 120k standalone ram to ram snubbing unit. Or what you "yankees" would refer to as hydraulic workover rigs.
The charges on e-line are to perforate the casing at intervals where the frack ports will be located in the initial completion/frac string. They are not to crack, or seperate the formation. You know those frac ports? frac balls? formation fracture points? thats what does it "bubs".
Im not even in that line of work and i know this, so whats your excuse, oh yeah, thats right your a driver....
ganjalfthegreen
Member
omg ive become a hater just by trying to clear up someones misinformation, shame on me.
I came in to say this. If you support this or are involved with it you are pretty low on the iq scale!
It's because most oil is bought and sold with American dollars.
From what I understand those whom talk of "good fracking and bad fracking" are regurgiting unfounded bullshit. From what I have read the facts are that no one can acuratly demonstrate the formation of rock hundreds if not thousands of feet underground, meaning that no one can determine if there are any smallish vertical fractures, natural or caused by horizontal fracking. Faliures in the shaft casings are common. On top of it all the whole industry is not sustainable, it doesnt matter that there are 200 years of estimated reserves when a good porcentage of this gas is likely in places that it are so hard or so dangerous to access that today that they are not cost effective to exploit meaning that the quick world wide fracking bubble is just a flash in the pan, I'm sure this could continue for a while but the great international shale gas rush will only last so long, making it not only envronmentally but finacially unsustanable. Why the fuck are we creating the infestructure for a flash in the pan industry with peak gas, coal and oil stareing in our faces? Maybe the expression when money talks bullshit walks fits here?
i really don't know enough about all the aspects. i did read something where they were saying when done correctly the shaft is sealed in the area where there is ground water and that they have large layers of rock between the actual fracking and the ground water. so you saying there is no clean way to use fracking teh?
Edit: I read something that was secondary or primary source, a study that showed that shafts regularly fail. "Large layers of rock", the fact is that the technology doesnt exist to determine the exact formation of underground rock, magnectic resonance doesnt cut it, sonic methods give a general idea, but in reality pressurized underground fluids and gases regularly take unexpected courses. A recent study suggests that this can cause earthquakes. Do you think its just to risk peoples heath, irreversabe enviromental and property damage betting on science that is not exact?
at least 50% of all wells FAIL (let me clarify that: the concrete that protects the shaft fails) within 30 years. Sure, i may be dead by then, but why are we doing this ... and doing it WORLDWIDE. It is insane.
Here in the UK, the government is going great guns to give out fracking licences, claiming that it will reduce all our energy bills, even though the energy companies, independent analysis and even the companies who will do the extraction have told them it will do fuck all to lower our gas bills.
Our chancellor of the exchequer has a father in law with substantial ties to the hydrocarbon industry. Jobs for the boys.
My local MP is one of a cabal of 100 who have been pressuring the PM to go back on all his promises regarding renewable energy. The Tories promised they would be the greenest government ever, when what they have actually done is cancelled large wind projects, cut the subsidy for solar panels, and reduced the feed in tariff paid to householders for the excess energy their panels produce.
Clean energy has been available for a long time, it's just the scumbag petrochem firms buy up the companies who are doing anything exciting, and bury the research.
Our chancellor of the exchequer has a father in law with substantial ties to the hydrocarbon industry. Jobs for the boys.
My local MP is one of a cabal of 100 who have been pressuring the PM to go back on all his promises regarding renewable energy. The Tories promised they would be the greenest government ever, when what they have actually done is cancelled large wind projects, cut the subsidy for solar panels, and reduced the feed in tariff paid to householders for the excess energy their panels produce.
Clean energy has been available for a long time, it's just the scumbag petrochem firms buy up the companies who are doing anything exciting, and bury the research.
The reserves look immense but only 10% is expected to be recoverable.
In the UK i cannot see public concern stopping or slowing its adoption , we built too many gas fired stations when we were a net exporter with the North Sea fields , now we are reliant on imports from Europe and LPG from the middle east.
Most drill sites are close to the existing national grid pipelines and are cheap to hook up , the whole process a fraction of the cost of deep ocean platforms with huge potential profit as well as strategic issues of garanteed supply , fear all legitimate protest and concern will be lost in the rush.
In the UK i cannot see public concern stopping or slowing its adoption , we built too many gas fired stations when we were a net exporter with the North Sea fields , now we are reliant on imports from Europe and LPG from the middle east.
Most drill sites are close to the existing national grid pipelines and are cheap to hook up , the whole process a fraction of the cost of deep ocean platforms with huge potential profit as well as strategic issues of garanteed supply , fear all legitimate protest and concern will be lost in the rush.
