what do you recommend or use to kill mites

[Rosy Cheeks]

Read the quote once again TIH. I didn't say that 1000 ppm's of CO2 in the air will cause serious health problems, but levels ABOVE 1000 ppm. I used the 1000 ppm level as a ballpark figure, because in most studies, 1000 ppm is where the first signs of effects (on humans), however slight, have been established.

All people will react differently to high CO2 levels. A person with respiratory problems or other types of frail health will be the first to react negatively. I have no whatsoever idea how long time exposure of CO2 in the 1500 -2000 ppm area (where many growers fix their CO2 influx) will affect YOU.

 

[Guest]

Here's another site that lists pancake batter for mites - must be something to it.



SPIDER MITES:
Combine 1/2 cup buttermilk, 4 cups wheat flour and 5 gallons water. Suffocates spider mites and other mites.

Makes a hell of a mess, butif you have seen a bad infestation,, THAT"S a mess of a different color.

 

[ThereIsHope]

Read the quote once again TIH. I didn't say that 1000 ppm's of CO2 in the air will cause serious health problems, but levels ABOVE 1000 ppm. I used the 1000 ppm level as a ballpark figure, because in most studies, 1000 ppm is where the first signs of ill effects (on humans), however slight, have been established.

Get over it.

All people will react differently to high CO2 levels. A person with respiratory problems or other types of frail health will be the first to react negatively. I have no whatsoever idea how long time exposure of CO2 in the 1500 -2000 ppm area (where many growers fix their CO2 influx) will affect YOU.

I have yet to see ANYWHERE where someone has stated (except here referencing "most studies") where ill effects are noted, no matter how slight, at or even just above 1,000 PPM's of CO2. CO2 is not a problem until we reach 3,000 PPM's (dizzyness). That is what "most studies" reveal I have found and never a reference to a ballpark 1,000 PPM level. That would induce fear mongering where none should exist unless there is a basis.

It is a bit presumptive to be told to "Get over it" when marijuana thrives at the magic mark of 1,500 PPM's of CO2 and someone is suggesting studies have shown there are adverse health effects in this range or just above.

I have bronchitis and asthma (I use an inhaler occassionally) and I would certainly expect the CO2 monitor/controller company I use would have some sort of WARNING to people with my condition to stay away but the only thing referenced is the 3,000+ PPM mark as dangerous/lethal.

If you have any links to studies which show adverse heath effects when exposed to CO2 levels between 1,000-2,000 PPM's, no matter the condition of the person, I would like to read them. I certainly do not want to be working in my grow area for extended times if someone has concluded my health could be at risk no matter how benign.

 

[Guest]

2 words
NO PEST STRIPS!
wait...that's 3 words!

ive tried alot of stuff, but hanging a nps is easy and works faster then anything else out there....PERIOD!
and they're cheap too, just like me

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

I have yet to see ANYWHERE where someone has stated (except here referencing "most studies") where ill effects are noted, no matter how slight, at or even just above 1,000 PPM's of CO2. CO2 is not a problem until we reach 3,000 PPM's (dizzyness). That is what "most studies" reveal I have found and never a reference to a ballpark 1,000 PPM level. That would induce fear mongering where none should exist unless there is a basis.

It is a bit presumptive to be told to "Get over it" when marijuana thrives at the magic mark of 1,500 PPM's of CO2 and someone is suggesting studies have shown there are adverse health effects in this range or just above.

I have bronchitis and asthma (I use an inhaler occassionally) and I would certainly expect the CO2 monitor/controller company I use would have some sort of WARNING to people with my condition to stay away but the only thing referenced is the 3,000+ PPM mark as dangerous/lethal.

If you have any links to studies which show adverse heath effects when exposed to CO2 levels between 1,000-2,000 PPM's, no matter the condition of the person, I would like to read them. I certainly do not want to be working in my grow area for extended times if someone has concluded my health could be at risk no matter how benign.

Listen ThereIsHope.

I changed those two remarks BEFORE you posted your reply, so either you simply chose to remark on it because you like remarking, or because you didn't refresh your browser.

I changed "Ill effects" to "effects", because with ill effects I meant dizzyness or drowsiness, which was bound to be misinterpretated.

I erased "get over it", because I realized it could be interpretated as rude. I just had an edgy day, which means I have to watch my language. Which I did.

As to what happens during ppm levels superior to a 1000 ppm, who can say? I'm sure that if you look around you'll find some studies written on it. Here's a short text that lays it out:
http://dhfs.wisconsin.gov/eh/ChemFS/fs/CarbonDioxide.htm

I believe - and this is just my personal opinion - that the change in air composition is going to have major consequences, in one way or another.
In Western Europe, in 2003, a big heatwave struck and stayed for almost two weeks, with temperatures over 40º (104 F) every day. In the statistics, later, they found that 15 000 people in France and 20 000 people in Italy died from this heat wave. They didn't necessarily die of dehydration, but also heart attacks, cerebral hemorrhage, and old people simply stopped breathing. It was directly related to the heat but showed up differently.
25 000 people dead when the temperature went up 10º above normal. It'll make any school shooter envious. So who knows what three times the amount of CO2 that we breathe today can do.

Too bad about your asthma man, I symphatize.

Now, I rather leave this thread to its subject.

 

[ThereIsHope]

Listen ThereIsHope.

I changed those two remarks BEFORE you posted your reply, so either you simply chose to remark on it because you like remarking, or because you didn't refresh your browser.

I changed "Ill effects" to "effects", because with ill effects I meant dizzyness or drowsiness, which was bound to be misinterpretated.

I erased "get over it", because I realized it could be interpretated as rude. I just had an edgy day, which means I have to watch my language. Which I did.

As to what happens during ppm levels superior to a 1000 ppm, who can say? I'm sure that if you look around you'll find some studies written on it. Here's a short text that lays it out:
http://dhfs.wisconsin.gov/eh/ChemFS/fs/CarbonDioxide.htm

I believe - and this is just my personal opinion - that the change in air composition is going to have major consequences, in one way or another.
In Western Europe, in 2003, a big heatwave struck and stayed for almost two weeks, with temperatures over 40º (104 F) every day. In the statistics, later, they found that 15 000 people in France and 20 000 people in Italy died from this heat wave. They didn't necessarily die of dehydration, but also heart attacks, cerebral hemorrhage, and old people simply stopped breathing. It was directly related to the heat but showed up differently.
25 000 people dead when the temperature went up 10º above normal. It'll make any school shooter envious. So who knows what three times the amount of CO2 that we breathe today can do.

Too bad about your asthma man, I symphatize.

Now, I rather leave this thread to its subject.

I did not refresh my browser and yes the comment was rude to "get over it". I just saw you edited your post (after the fact).

Now you start by telling me to "LISTEN". There is no need to start a post by talking down to someone because that in itself is rude. I am "reading" so there is no need to start a post that way and then tell me you had a bad day as though that is an excuse.

With respect to what happens to people when CO2 levels are triple natures levels of CO2 read the following.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/11/massachusetts-v-epa_29.html

 

[Guest]

cat fight!

 

[krys0513]

I am not sure after reading the posts who said neem oil will not kill spider mites, but the problem is neem oil is not meant to kill them, it stops their ability to reproduce...hence stops then in 1-2 life cycles.

So to answer your question what I use is this and it has never failed me:


step 1. kill all adults with a good spraying of fox farm's don't bug me

step 2. 2 days later I spray with a mixture of this (follow directions on each bottle for appropriate amounts per amount of water)
neem oil, Dutch master's penetrator, and BANG (not sure who makes this but any place that carrys Fox farm should have this under insecticides)

I have a sprayer I use to drench the plants take your time when spraying and get every leaf front and back with this stuff better to do it right before the lights go off so you do not run the risk of it burning the leaves.

Then I wait.....I usually recheck infected plants in 2 days and again every day until I am sure they are gone if any signs of life and I repeat steps 1 and 2 until I no longer see any sign of life.

This has never failed me yet although it is a little costly with all the products you have to buy it is well worth it in my opinion.

By the way the Co2 thing yeah that will NEVER work.

 

[ThereIsHope]

cat fight!

Not really.

http://biocab.org/Carbon_Dioxide_CO2.html

http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19960605.html

I will trust what OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) says is safe and not safe.

5,000 PPM's of CO2 in an 8 hour period is what is recommended as a maximum exposure.

Suffice it to say, no growers are running CO2 at 5,000 PPM's unless they are trying to kill an infestation or themselves.

If health hazards were to be flagged as hostile or detrimental to health in the range suggested, I would think the anal watchdogs of OSHA would be waving their banners of retribution way before this forum would raise any red flags.

I do not see any red flags for 1,000-2,000 PPM's of CO2 as being detrimental to health (other than what I read in this thread).

What I suspect is fear mongering.

Anyway, I can only present the links and let you all decide for yourselves.

 

[The Slickster]

If there is any other gas (C02) in the air, then that C02 is taking place of oxygen in the air for a person to breathe from. Increasingly in warmer temperatures, but nobody is going to suck C02 from the gas tank. We are only after those mites, so there are a few threads people have made on various C02 application methods and dosing recommendations.

Low oxygen is known to be a compromise to the health, depending on concentrations of other gasses (C02) that take place of oxygen. But that is already a given, and more importantly the mites are the main target when using C02. Found this mite info from the OG grow Faq:

Organic:

"The most popular of the organic pesticides in recent times is neem oil or neem based products. These do work well in most cases. The treatment regime for these is no more than every three days and should be avoided in the last couple of weeks due to the fact that it can give the flowers a dirty flavour when consumed.

One completely chemical free way to eliminate mites is by manipulating the humidity in your grow room to above 80-90% for no more than three days. Any longer than this and you're asking for mold. This works because the mites absorb the extra moisture in the air and literally explode due to absorbtion of too much water.

Another manual way to go about things is to go in every day and give the plants a liberal spraying with plain water on both tops and bottoms of leaf sufaces. This physically knocks them of and disturbs there patterns as mites may not move for three days at a time. With this, as with the previous method, beware of mold.

With any treatment using chemicals be carefull to follow instructions and follow good safety procedure. It's not the best feeling to be stuck in bed for a day due to inhalation of chemical vapours."

 

[badboyg]

""Another manual way to go about things is to go in every day and give the plants a liberal spraying with plain water on both tops and bottoms of leaf sufaces. This physically knocks them of and disturbs there patterns as mites may not move for three days at a time. With this, as with the previous method, beware of mold.""


SHIT now you tell me HEHEEH

ok I have had good luck with this ONLY it was like every 4-5+ days,, SHIT time to give my ladys a daily shower.. I have hydro SOO a shower is not a big deal..

I think this my work.. that and I need to find some seaweed/ I am hopeing it will help screw the borg AND help the damage and generally aid the plants...

and the WAR continues,,,,, ARUGH the pain.....

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Yeah, blasting them with water from a showerhead works fine, but it's backbreaking if you grow a dozen or more mid-sized plants and have to shower them every third day or so. You have to keep the plants down, so that the underside of the leaves are blasted, and the run-off doesn't pour into the pots.

You should stop doing this in the third week of flower or so, when the buds start to put on weight and you see the branches bend from the extra weight of water.

 

[The Slickster]

So how bout a triple combo without nasty tasting neem, etc.

First shower them on their sides or however best, then raise the humidity for the above recommended time if not flowering, then C02 them with bags, and you should not even need any of the other natural remedies although they can substitute a step.

If pest strips are only adhesive based, they may be another option. If they have any chemicals, double sided sticky tape could be substituted at every internode or area of infestation. Only had mites once before, from an unfiltered AC, was able to squish the small population manually with my fingers where seen, and then the flowering had basically finished its cycle shortly before return. Looks like they travel by air in their cobweb like sails, whereas the fungus gants just usually come in peat moss and mixes that are unsterilized, and contain fungus for the ideal medium for the gnats to store their eggs in.

 

[badboyg]

well rosy.. hehe sadly to say,, i don't have a too many or big plant issue... I also use hydro.. so pulling out my couple ladies and my few clones is not to hard to do ..

my plants never get over 4 foot and not too fat.. sorry to say.. I currently cannot produce (thanks to borg and my apollo dieing) enough to keep me in meds...

this misty that poped will prob be let go,,, unless she needs 12+ weeks to mature.. I do not see nice buds forming,, all fluffy... shit,,,

slicker... no flame here just my veiw,,,

if your smashing lots of mites you see,, your well on your way to doom...

i have learned the hard way.. for every one you can see there are like 50 you can not see and 100's if not 1000's of eggs the arehard to see.,. you need a good eye and like 30X-50X eye loupe......

trust me just killing the ones you see is like a slight dent... good luck we all need it

 

[Speedzone]

http://www.bonsaigarden.net/control_of_red_spider_mites.html


I have used flour and water with a drop of soap.
I forgot where i read it at but the flour with waer sort of heats up or something due to the sugars blah blah blah..

I forgot sorry.. Can't find it.
It worked really well but the powdery white would still be on the plants. Dnt know if it's a good thing or not.
I also decided to stop the exhaust fan cause it would apparantly suck those little Bast Turds threw the cracks of the doors/what have ya.
I had um bad to where it just sucked the life right out of a 5 1/2 week flowering female, pretty much destroying the whole room in 2 weeks easy..
Ever since I had the exhaust off and a cool mist humidifier and a fan I have never had a problem.
I try to make thier living conditions unlivable. I probably pissed them off and they left.. Never had a prob. for a year now,.

Peace Out
Speed

 

[Dan]

Anyone tried spider mite predators? How well did they work, and how long did you need to stop spraying insecticide before releasing them?

 

[Simpleton]

OMITE - Given to me by a farmer. For use on edibles. I have enough to last me my life time as it takes very little to kill adults and eggs.

They don't come back.

Vacuum regularly in all cracks and crevices of your room. Don't wear clothes from outside into the room especially if you've been working in dirt. Vacuum floors thoroughly and regularly as well.

 

[niggan8]

nps strips <3