what do you recommend or use to kill mites

[Rosy Cheeks]

Floramite is a new generation miticide in which the active ingredient is bifenazate. Science doesn't really know much of how bifenazate affects the environment and man, this is what can be said so far:
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC36422#Toxicity
I'm so happy that floramite did the trick for you Head. Although, I believe that you will eventually see the old mite resistance trick played on you once again. You got rid of them completely, but they'll be back, and this time, perhaps a mite or two will be resistant to the floramite treatment. It's in the nature of nature to overcome all obstacles, it's just a question of time.
Months ago, I got seriously fed up with spending high amounts of cash, time and efforts on fighting mites, and bought Bayers brand new high tech miticide FORBID 4F. It was said by every expert to be the ultimate thing in killing mites and cost me a fortune.
I applied it and saw phenomenal results. I was totally mite free for almost two months, and posted about FORBID 4F as the holy grail in mite eradication.

You guessed it. I got lazy and sloppy, and one day when I looked into my veg room I saw my favorite Sour Diesel V3 mother shrivelling fast. The f...ers were back, and the F4F now only has a reduced effect on them.

I lost that plant to my own naivety.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Well.... It's been over two months since I last sprayed it, and there are no mites whatsoever in my grow... They may come back, but it will be from an outside source and not have been exposed to the floramite, so I don't really see how they could become resistant...

Floramite is safe to spray on tomatoes three days before they're to be consumed, so It can't be too awfully harmful to man, and so far seems to be the least dangerous of the highly effective mite treatments...

Sorry that the f4f didn't get all your mites the first round, and resistant ones were able to come back... maybe if you tried floramite on the resistant ones...

Mites developing resistance to a product is not an issue, if you are thorough enough to completely kill the infestation, imho... resistance is only a factor when some are allowed to live through the poisoning... I'm not preaching the gospel of floramite or anything, just telling what I use...

Resistance is an issue with any miticide when coverage is not complete and some portion of the population is exposed to less than lethal doses and allowed to reproduce... More than any specific product, the key to staying rid of mites is dilligence... when I use the floramite, I make sure that both sides of every leaf surface is covered... Even to the point of gently rubbing away the dry spots in the air pockets which always happen when spraying the undersides of leaves... Leave one egg, you'll have mites again and be on the way to breeding resistant mites... kill them all, they don't get the chance...

One reason I won't buy buds... Can't tell what's been used for poisons... there are miticides out there which attack the nerve function of the mites... miticides that stop cell respiration... all sort of things I wouldn't want to smoke, including avid...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Also... More info on Floramite's toxicity...

http://www.cromptoncorp.com/servlet...&c=ck_article&cid=1077545323740&type=whatsnew

Floramite® SC Miticide
Now Labeled for Use on Greenhouse Grown Tomatoes

Floramite® SC miticide, for control of mite pests on ornamental plants, has been registered by the EPA for use on greenhouse grown tomatoes, on varieties greater than 1-inch in diameter when mature.

Floramite SC, from Crompton/Uniroyal Chemical Specialty Products, is a selective, long-lasting miticide with novel chemistry and a unique mode of action. It provides knockdown of spider mites in all life stages in as little as three days, and maintains residual control for up to 28 days.

Because of its unique mode of action and highly selective activity, Floramite SC does not harm predacious mites and beneficial insects. This makes Floramite SC ideal for use in Integrated Pest Management (IPM) programs.

Prior to Crompton receiving the federal registration for this use, Village Farms, L.P., Eatontown, New Jersey was heavily involved in the Special Local Need registration on Floramite SC in the states of Texas, Virginia and Colorado.

Michael Bledsoe, Vice President of Technology and Regulatory Affairs at Village Farms, L.P., works out of their operation in Longwood, Florida. Bledsoe says, “The greenhouse grown vegetable market is relatively new to the U.S. and, at a time when basic manufacturers are pulling back, we were coming in with a minor crop that had nothing for mite control. There was nothing labeled in the U.S. that we could use and Crompton/Uniroyal worked closely with us to get Floramite its first food crop use in the United States.”

“Floramite is a very efficacious material with good residual. The residual was even longer than we anticipated, and it is safe to beneficials. It is the right product at the right time for the greenhouse tomato industry,” added Bledsoe.

Use of Floramite SC on tomatoes is restricted to greenhouses only, although the material can be used on all ornamental plants grown and/or maintained in containers or in the ground in: greenhouses and shadehouses; nurseries, including Christmas tree/conifer plantations; landscapes; interiorscapes; residences; public, commercial, industrial and institutional areas; recreational sites, such as campgrounds, golf courses, parks and athletic fields; rights of way and other easements. Registration of Floramite for use on greenhouse tomatoes is pending in California.

“Floramite provides cost-effective control of a variety of mite pests in the ornamental market, and this new label for greenhouse grown tomatoes is an important expansion of our specialty products portfolio,” says Laurie Treu, vice president of specialty products, Crompton/Uniroyal Chemical.

Crompton Corporation is a leading worldwide manufacturer of agricultural and specialty chemicals. Crompton markets Uniroyal Chemical specialty products for the production ornamental market, including herbicides, plant growth regulators, insecticides, acaricides, and fungicides. For more information, contact Crompton Corporation, Middlebury, CT USA 06749, at 1.800.336.9312.

 

[dankiestog]

azatrol...2-4 tble per gal... is for a big range of pest..spider mites are not on the bottle but it kills them for sure and it OMAR so its organic...hit them with two treatments a week apart good to go no bugs >>>>........

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

from the azatrol™ website...

Azatrol provides all the benefits of azadirachtin, a proven natural anti-feedant, insect growth regulator, anti-ovipository and repellent, as well as a toxin to soft bodied insect larvae. The benefits to your insect control program are multiple.

Anti-feedant: Insects will feed less or not at all on treated plant tissue. Foliage is not damaged and insects ultimately starve to death.

IGR: Insects will fail to mature and reproduce, eliminating populations over time, or keeping populations at acceptable levels.

Anti-ovipository and Repellent: The likelihood of insect infestation is greatly decreased in treated plants. This also adds a preventive aspect to your control program.

An application of Azatrol does not provide the quick 'knock-down' of a contact poison. However, 21 days after treatment, insect control is comparable to the standards. The end result — insect population control — is obtained. If Azatrol is used as a preventive treatment throughout the season, prior to insect infestation, the goal of protecting plants, ornamental flowers and shrubs and trees will be accomplished.

 

[badboyg]

great info all keep it comming,, ,,

for the record I have tried TONNS of organic stuff.. neem, ISO, spyder mite eliminator mix, and seaweed,,,

now the seaweed aplication was noted again,... I tried it and all i seem to have gotten was light burns on my plants.. maybe I am doing it wrong, as well with the other stuff,..,

I DO CARE what I smoke/eat big time but not having meds (like now) is painful and major issue with life... so I have become departate...

my last (on going battle) attempt was just to wash the plant in the shower,, it had helped alot.. but I am still finding a the odd adult... so for every one I see.. must be butt loads more,, .. I had mites soo bad I no longer needed a magnifier.. and webs oh hell the webs//// maybe I could try organic again,, but .. my pain,, no meds ..

I have been wanting to pull all the differnt info on mite how they live and (hopefuly) die.. but , thats a project.. after work, school, chours,, ECT lol & you know honey do lists,,, soo,, one day,, hehe///

I have no clue where they came from,,. I have had them going on two years now,, I was fighting the room and res temps issues and ohter growing pains and did not see the borg untill I was WELL over run... I mistook some of the borg problems as "other" issues.. then one day webs and LOTS of little specks,, soo who knows what prevention I can take,, I have not noticed this bug out in my yard and my pets do not come in the closet,,,

ok taking in all you have said .. and looking at options,,

oh almost forgot,, I have also used the hot shot strips,, almost no effect, did the fogger,, same still had life 24 hours later,, used pytheren (SP) even that did not kill them all.. looks like I have some strong bugs,, hence my interest in BIG GUNS,,,

truse me this is NOT my first chooseing,, I am more than willing to listen.,.. only I need my Meds,, I have been strugling for 6 months to get anything out and now I have washed,scraped every possiable sorce ,, I am totlay med free,, and SICK,

peace all

 

[Guest]

seems getting rid of some bugs is like growing weed...theres just too many options

 

[Guest]

I've been drafted and a friend has been bitten by the grow bug - and his grow is infested with spidermites.

He says - he cleared the mites by using a mixture of buttermilk, flour (Pillsberry flour, not flower) and a couple other things - I will get the mix next time we speak - but I've never heard of basically pancake batter to kill mites.

Anybody else?

 

[badboyg]

lol no joke,.. you called that right,, .. IF I had a air tight room I would use O2 as i home brew,,, hang on ,, how much 02 do you need, how long and,. how sealed do you need..... maybe,,, maybe..... hehe ..

 

[Guest]

cO2 concentrations in the 2400 - 3000 PPM range are suppose to be lethal.

Several hours would be good, then vent and repeat weekly until clear.

Unlikely to develop an immunity, but a good seal and constant elevated exposure are needed.

 

[badboyg]

pancake to kill borg.. hmm ,, this I have to hear.....

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

lol no joke,.. you called that right,, .. IF I had a air tight room I would use O2 as i home brew,,, hang on ,, how much 02 do you need, how long and,. how sealed do you need..... maybe,,, maybe..... hehe ..

Just remember to wheel grannie out of the growroom before gassing them to death, and don't make her eat those pancakes after you killed mites with them.

The are many ways to kill mites, so use them all! That cocktail contains many different active ingredients Slickster. Red Chilli, Garlic, Tobacco (nicotine) and neem oil gives excellent results on their own.
What's important is to treat repeatedly, to get every single mite that could have survived.

 

[ThereIsHope]

Found this site that mentions water, buttermilk, and wheat flour:
http://www.gardenguides.com/pests/pestinfo/spidermite.asp

From the same makers of Ful-Mag, this is an organic miticide which consists of clove oil, garlic extract and cottonseed oil:
http://www.bghydro.com/Bgh/Itemdesc.asp?ic=PCGCM16&eq=&Tp=

Will use pesticides that were left over, but only for outside non edible plants. And try not to but them as most fo them are toxic and new. They say it is safe, but they have been wrong many times before, and it is likely not a good thing for them to be testing these new chemicals on people.

Might have to go with a multi mix:
1/10th Penetrator,
1/10th Neem Oil (high azadirachtic content),
1/10th D-Limonene (nonsynthetic and concentrated),
1/10th Tobacco tea concentrate,
1/10th Chili Pepper juice,
1/10th Wheat Flour,
1/10th Buttermilk,
1/10th Clove Tea or oil,
1/10th Garlic extract,
1/10th Cottonseed oil.

All diluted to the necessary specifications in distilled water(holds). That would be best for leaves and not buds unless immature and still rinsable a few days after treatment.

Might seem a little less commercial, but at least there will be no resistances built up over time such as with the C02.

Would always be best not to introduce them by medium or otherwise at the start and during the grow in a sealed or semi-sealed and filtered room. Here are some predator bugs for mites, don't think they would really develop any resistances to these either, but just another option. This package contains three strains of predator mites:
http://www.wormsway.com/detail.asp?sku=PM700
One strain:
http://www.wormsway.com/detail.asp?sku=SMD700
Pirate Bugs:
http://www.wormsway.com/detail.asp?sku=PBU700

And a few natural alternatives to Azatrol, also the Jungle Rain mentioned earlier:
http://www.wormsway.com/catalog.asp?cat=pesti

Is good to try and get the least toxic pesticide if you go that route, but perhaps it may not be necessary for everyone if they try a few of these first. No mite problems since filtered air intake, so don't really use anything at all.

There is no way to build up a resistance to CO2.

CO2 displaces oxygen which insects need to breathe. Death is via asphixiation (lack of oxygen) and to my knowledge unless the bugs have gills, there are screwed.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

There is no way to build up a resistance to CO2.

CO2 displaces oxygen which insects need to breathe. Death is via asphixiation (lack of oxygen) and to my knowledge unless the bugs have gills, there are screwed.

Well, we will actually have to build up a resistance to CO2, or suffer. With the greenhouse effect, CO2 levels in the air are on the rise. While it is estimated that pre-industrial era levels of CO2 in the atmosphere was aproximately 280 ppm, the latest measurements shows it to be around 370 ppm, and it might go above 500 ppm at the turn of the century.

If ppm levels one day climb above 1000 ppm, a lot of people will start having serious health problems, and only those with a respiratory system well adapted to the CO2 rich air will live comfortably.

The same thing goes for mites. A lethal dose of CO2 though will kill them indiscriminately, I agree.

 

[ThereIsHope]

Well, we will actually have to build up a resistance to CO2, or suffer. With the greenhouse effect, CO2 levels in the air are on the rise. While it is estimated that pre-industrial era levels of CO2 in the atmosphere was aproximately 280 ppm, the latest measurements shows it to be around 370 ppm, and it might go above 500 ppm at the turn of the century.

If ppm levels one day climb above 1000 ppm, a lot of people will start having serious health problems, and only those with a respiratory system well adapted to the CO2 rich air will live comfortably.

The same thing goes for mites. A lethal dose of CO2 though will kill them indiscriminately, I agree.

CO2 is not a poisonous gas. The process of CO2 displacing oxygen which causes asphixiation is what is lethal. Simply put - lack of oxygen kills.

Humans, certainly I do, work in my grow area for hours at a time which is at a constant 1,500 PPM's of CO2 (CAP PPM-3 CO2 equipment). There are no ill effects. No dizziness, no palpitations...nada.

Lethal human levels of CO2 (which has displaced oxygen) is around 3,000-5,000 PPM's.

It is almost the same as asking somebody to acclimate to reasonably higher elevations because the air is thinner. I do not suspect it creates pulmonary problems because we can live in those conditions without sacrificing health.

 

[The Slickster]

Just for clarification, I meant that the predator bugs and also alot of the natural remedies will not have the spider mites building up resistances so much as with the chemicals, just as , (in the same way), that C02 will not have the mites developing resistances to it either. Hope that helps, and I completely agree with Rosy Cheeks. Environmentally, we need to reduce our consumption and production of toxic pesticides and be mindful of C02 and its effectiveness is killing and controlling mite populations. Sometimes more than 1 dose is needed especially in heavily or recurrently infested and non-sealed rooms.

Keywords: there will be no resistances built up over time such as with the C02.

Now I see how you may have doubly interpreted that single sentence into the opposite by assuming a comma or pause after the time.

Now minor resistances may be had as with anything, but not to the degree of the chemicals. So C02 is the closest thing to keeping the smoke pure and reducing any health impacts from various chemical pesticides, all different, that are alot of the time are in the product sold to medical users possibly with already compromised immune systems.

In short chemical pesticides should ideally not be used on any edibles or smokables and should not be viewed as the "easy or safe" way to fix mite infestations, as they are not needed if a person has C02 and or is willing to try a multi-natural approach if not for oneself, everyone else or even just the planet alone. They sell billions in pesticides, and alot of the companies like Bayer, are making the same chemicals but for people to treat them for illnesses possibly caused by toxicities from the pesticides at some point in time. They declare the pesticides are safe, but alot of the time, even pharmaceutical medicines as well as pesticides are pulled off the shelf due to withheld information regarding health risks by the manufacturer in "ethical testing". And they don't find out until it is too late after people are affected. Just like with the contaminated corn or wheat gluten that killed many pets by kidney toxicity for plastic byproduct used as a fertilizer. These big pesticide and chemical companies don't care about a persons health, they are only interested in pure profit.

 

[ThereIsHope]

Just for clarification, I meant that the predator bugs and also alot of the natural remedies will not have the spider mites building up resistances so much as with the chemicals, just as , (in the same way), that C02 will not have the mites developing resistances to it either. Hope that helps, and I completely agree with Rosy Cheeks. Environmentally, we need to reduce our consumption and production of toxic pesticides and be mindful of C02 and its effectiveness is killing and controlling mite populations. Sometimes more than 1 dose is needed especially in heavily or recurrently infested and non-sealed rooms.

Keywords: there will be no resistances built up over time such as with the C02.

Now I see how you may have doubly interpreted that single sentence into the opposite by assuming a comma or pause after the time?

But the sentence for me is correct I believe, for it to be wrong or as you described, it would have to have a comma after the time,;

there will be no resistances built up over time, such as is with the C02. Or "over time, such as with the C02". Then it would be different than. But yes, I see the double interpretation possibilities. Either way no problemo, as now it is clarified for that I do I support C02, and anything more natural than pesticides, where possible.

Now minor resistances may be had as with anything, but not to the degree of the chemicals. So C02 is the closest thing to keeping the smoke pure and reducing any health impacts from various chemical pesticides, all different, that are alot of the time are in the product sold to medical users possibly with already compromised immune systems.

In short chemical pesticides should ideally not be used on any edibles or smokables and should not be viewed as the "easy or safe" way to fix mite infestations, as they are not needed if a person has C02 and or is willing to try a multi-natural approach if not for oneself, everyone else or even just the planet alone. They sell billions in pesticides, and alot of the companies like Bayer, are making the same chemicals but for people to treat them for illnesses possibly caused by toxicities from the pesticides at some point in time. They declare the pesticides are safe, but alot of the time, even pharmaceutical medicines as well as pesticides are pulled off the shelf due to withheld information regarding health risks by the manufacturer in "ethical testing". And they don't find out until it is too late after people are affected. Just like with the contaminated corn or wheat gluten that killed many pets by kidney toxicity for plastic byproduct used as a fertilizer. These big pesticide and chemical companies don't care about a persons health, they are only interested in pure profit.

Yeah - I was reading the post with respect to resistances built up over time such as with chemicals which create "resistances" or "immunities" in some animals, plants or bacteria.

CO2 on the other hand is not something we can not create a resistance to because we need air to breathe or we die. CO2 displaces the oxygen needed to live so it is like suffocating. Eventually, you black out and die.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

CO2 on the other hand is not something we can not create a resistance to because we need air to breathe or we die. CO2 displaces the oxygen needed to live so it is like suffocating. Eventually, you black out and die.

It is not necessarily a question of "creating a resistance" to CO2, but bypassing the problem of lower oxygen levels and higher CO2 levels. Any living organism that wishes to survive and thrive will have to deal with it, and I believe nature will provide various different solutions.

How can mammals live under water? It seems incompatible with that type of organism. Still, mammals have found solutions to that challenge.

 

[ThereIsHope]

It is not necessarily a question of "creating a resistance" to CO2, but bypassing the problem of lower oxygen levels and higher CO2 levels. Any living organism that wishes to survive and thrive will have to deal with it, and I believe nature will provide various different solutions.

How can mammals live under water? It seems incompatible with that type of organism. Still, mammals have found solutions to that challenge.

What caught my eye was your reference to 1,000 PPM's of CO2 would cause serious health problems in the future.
"If ppm levels one day climb above 1000 ppm, a lot of people will start having serious health problems, and only those with a respiratory system well adapted to the CO2 rich air will live comfortably."

If this were the case, my CO2 monitor/controller would have some sort of warning especially if used at higher altitudes (the air is thinner). The warning on my CO2 system is not to exceed 3,000 PPM's (it may be 5,000 PPM's I would have to re-check).

CO2 levels for people living adjacent to freeways is around twice the normal levels of CO2 found in nature but it is the CO (Carbon Monoxide) which is the killer gas for health.

I have never heard that direct and prolonged exposures to elevated CO2 levels cause respiratory or health problems until you get to the extreme levels which causes asphixiation. If this indeed is the case, I need to reassess the time I spend in my grow areas.

 

[Guest]

remember - mites have not read the book.

If,,,,, concentraitions are not high enough EVERYWHERE and long enough - 1 or 2 may survive - and if it's male and female,,, rest assured the offspring they beget will have a higher tollerance to co2 - or anything else for that matter. That is why some people call mites the BORG of the grow room - they adapt and propagate very, very well.
And,, treatment must be repeated to insure getting the hatching eggs - before they reach reproductive age.

From my experience, a multiple weapon elimination program is needed, if the first try is anything less than 100% successful.

I haven't been able to check with my friend and his buttermilk concoction - I'm not real anxtious to go over there till he is sure they are all dead