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Microbeman

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i can't believe i am saying this, but...chump allegedly is thinking about derailing the huge gold mine in the headwaters of Alaskas Bristol Bay, one of the most productive fisheries & environmentally sensitive places on the planet. probably "fake news" however, since i read about it on MSNBC early this morning.:bigeye: if true, he is finally thinking about doing something i would agree with. i can't believe what i just said...i still wouldn't vote for him, but...

I believe this comes from his son Donny's personal connection to the area and people who have been able to get his ear, with reasons why the mining will negatively impact the fish population.

Otherwise, the environmental ignorance displayed by Trump in my opinion is appalling. Many, previously protected wilderness areas have been opened to harvesting of natural resources. Forest foundations will be destroyed. Waterways and tributaries will ultimately suffer [even Boogie's creek]

Not only this, but programs to use poisons to 'control' certain species viewed as harmful to ranching and trophy hunting activities have been perpetuated.

As others have maintained, this is done all in the name of the almighty dollar, supposedly the goal of the American dream, what makes America 'great'.
 

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Capitalism would be a lot better if it took into consideration a few things. Is it lowering the quality of life for others. Is it causing unrepairable damage to the planet. Is it helping fund people who clearly are only concerned with themselves.
 

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you think this place is some how infiltrated because the main stream narrative is prevailing?

why would it surprise you? the information sphere has become a war zone. there are whole bot nets dedicated to errasing and promoting various "truths" on the www.

those with money can literally cleanse the net of info they don't like

only time will prove them right or wrong. we do know that the predictions have constantly been wrong.

from the time where they laughed it off, to the times they told us millions would be dead in a matter of weeks. from when they told us mask dont help, then they changed their minds, then they told us if you touch a surface in a room where a sick person was in before you will get it, and so on.


Not surprised at all. People are being paid to riot so paid agitators isn’t much different.
 

Switcher56

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Capitalism would be a lot better if it took into consideration a few things. Is it lowering the quality of life for others. Is it causing unrepairable damage to the planet. Is it helping fund people who clearly are only concerned with themselves.
All of the above!
 

Amynamous

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Not surprised at all. People are being paid to riot so paid agitators isn’t much different.

Speaking of which, i read a story this am that there was a peaceful protest yesterday (in Portland) and then a bunch of boogaloo bois showed up. Thirty minutes later there was full fledged fighting and rioting.
So yeah, i agree that some groups are probably getting paid.

PS. Or perhaps the boogaloo bois are instigating violence simply for the “fun of it”.
 
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Klompen

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No one is excepting anything blindly. Stop trying to spin it with whataboutism . The facts supported by both parties proved what they did.. You will believe what you choice. Ill keep looking for the Truth no matter what side it supports. Its been proven Trump colluded with Russia Facts matter !!!..

I disagree. It has not been proven at all. Its pure fantasy and its sad that so many good people are falling for it because Trump is such a piece of shit and easy to hate. Do you even know who Joseph Mifsud is? Who actually does know who he is?

Do you know who John Kiriakou is? How about Ray McGovern? Those men have decades in the "intelligence community" and they consider the scandal to be completely fake. Where is the proof, and why aren't they seeing it?

I will never accept fantasy just because what appears to be two opposing teams accept it as fact. Republicans and Democrats are largely controlled by the same people and those people want endless war and the sales and power that come with it.
 

Klompen

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Speaking of which, i read a story this am that there was a peaceful protest yesterday (in Portland) and then a bunch of boogaloo bois showed up. Thirty minutes later there was full fledged fighting and rioting.
So yeah, i agree that some groups are probably getting paid.

PS. Or perhaps the boogaloo bois are instigating violence simply for the “fun of it”.

They are Accelerationists. They're literally trying to destroy the USA and spark a race war because they believe if they wait any longer for a race war that white people will lose.
 

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I disagree. It has not been proven at all. Its pure fantasy and its sad that so many good people are falling for it because Trump is such a piece of shit and easy to hate. Do you even know who Joseph Mifsud is? Who actually does know who he is?

Do you know who John Kiriakou is? How about Ray McGovern? Those men have decades in the "intelligence community" and they consider the scandal to be completely fake. Where is the proof, and why aren't they seeing it?

I will never accept fantasy just because what appears to be two opposing teams accept it as fact. Republicans and Democrats are largely controlled by the same people and those people want endless war and the sales and power that come with it.
I do know who the gentlemen are.
You might find it helpful to separate Seth Rich from the idea of overall Russian influence.
 

Klompen

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I do know who the gentlemen are.
You might find it helpful to separate Seth Rich from the idea of overall Russian influence.

Oh no doubt that the DNC leak and the rest of supposed Russian operations are not necessarily all in the same boat. Russia isn't a bunch of innocents being victimized constantly by the West for no reason at all. Russia definitely does bad things too, but that definitely does not inspire me to trust the word of agents from alphabet agencies that crave war for their arms-selling masters.

What actual benefit has Russia gained from this supposed control over the president? I want to know EXACTLY what Russia has gained from all this. What has Trump done that is so great for Russia?
 

nepalnt21

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russia loves causing chaos, right?

civil unrest?

divide and conquer?

nra money?

I dunno much about it, but i've heard russia loves meddling in elections
 

Klompen

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russia loves causing chaos, right?

civil unrest?

divide and conquer?

nra money?

I dunno much about it, but i've heard russia loves meddling in elections

I am guessing you're being tongue-in-cheek here but none of this would balance out all the bad stuff happening to Russia as a result of all of this.

Not enough people understand how much this whole situation has to do with the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. That's 90% of this "Russiagate" fiasco. Its all about strangling Russia's economy by strangling all its allies.
 

Gry

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An amazing book, written by an amazing man.
Consider myself fortunate to have known the
author, and to have been able to have work
around him for a period.
 

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I disagree. It has not been proven at all. Its pure fantasy and its sad that so many good people are falling for it because Trump is such a piece of shit and easy to hate. Do you even know who Joseph Mifsud is? Who actually does know who he is?

Do you know who John Kiriakou is? How about Ray McGovern? Those men have decades in the "intelligence community" and they consider the scandal to be completely fake. Where is the proof, and why aren't they seeing it?

I will never accept fantasy just because what appears to be two opposing teams accept it as fact. Republicans and Democrats are largely controlled by the same people and those people want endless war and the sales and power that come with it.


If the Muller report and the Bipartisan Senate intelligence report doesn't prove it to you nothing will. The Senate report says trump lied to Muller about wikileaks. IMO there was plenty of Collusion prof including the Senate intelligence committee. You would need to go look it up and read. :D
 

Klompen

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If the Muller report and the Bipartisan Senate intelligence report doesn't prove it to you nothing will. The Senate report says trump lied to Muller about wikileaks. IMO there was plenty of Collusion prof including the Senate intelligence committee. You would need to go look it up and read. :D

I trust the Senate Intelligence Committee about as much as I trust a rabid badger to hang out in my bedroom. Did you actually watch Mueller testify? It was an epic shitshow. The guy could hardly handle the simplest questions. For all the hype about what a great investigator he was; its quite clear that he's a bumbling idiot and they chose him for exactly that reason. Lets not forget that this man is literally one of the men who lied us into the war with Iraq because of supposed WMD. Literally the same fucking guy.

What I posted above was not "whataboutism" by the way; it was a critique of the trustworthiness of a source. Big difference. The US intelligence community has zero credibility. Less than zero. They have killed millions of people over lies again and again and you STILL accept them as honest. Its incredible.
 
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