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Switcher56

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Seems that the citizens of Sweden can be trusted to do the right thing. Unfortunately, us ‘Mericans’ cannot. Ya’all have good leadership. Maybe that’s the secret.
With no intention of being curt here, your leadership is a direct reflection of your society as a whole I'm afraid. :tiphat:
 

gaiusmarius

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some of you are missing my theoretical point about Sweden.

the places with the strictest lock downs are now in the middle of a new surge in cases.

if Sweden has no new surge, it MIGHT, turn out they lose the same amount of lives over all, without all the additional deaths caused by the economic and societal consequences of the lock downs.

you can only count the numbers when the pandemic is over. the dance isnt over till the music stops. thats my point about Sweden.

you must understand that the lock down causes deaths too. there are many studies out there showing very grave consequences of the lock downs, specially for kids and specially their future.

we don't even notice the effects that will have on this generation yet. we already know suicides are skyrocketing, cancer/medical treatments are missed and postponed, people are not execising, drinking way too much.

we have no idea whether the lock down will kill more people in the long run then covid. just a few points in the stats in terms of poverty can cost thousands of extra lives yearly.

thats not even counting the breakdown and cost to society, when all these locked down people come out with cabin feever and burn their town down.
 

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With no intention of being curt here, your leadership is a direct reflection of your society as a whole I'm afraid. :tiphat:


So true, I give Trumpturd full credit for it all.
I don’t disagree.
When Biden wins, i plan on moving to Canada. haha
I already started applying for a Canadian nursing license.


I don't blame you. Trumps made the USA a steaming shit hole. Id like to get the hell out of a hateful country too.
 

Switcher56

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ouch, lol.

you saying Americans deserve Trump? :D:bigeye:
Yes! No choice in 2016, no choice in 2020. Are you trying to say that Biden is the solution. Based on some of your observations, I don't think you believe that either. Is that the best the US has to offer, to include but not limited with I forgot my name stepping down. But, hey "we (US) are the best in the world" :biggrin:
 

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Yes! No choice in 2016, no choice in 2020. Are you trying to say that Biden is the solution. Based on some of your observations, I don't think you believe that either. Is that the best the US has to offer, to include but not limited with I forgot my name stepping down. But, hey "we (US) are the best in the world" :biggrin:



IMO we are saying Biden is the solution to save the country from Trump. Nothing more than that. He is def not who id vote for if Trump wasn't running. Bad choices wont change with a 2 party system. Until the majority sees the rich for who they are it is what it is. We are far from the best country IMO. I'm hopeful we can fix that, I wouldn't hold my breath given the choices we have. . .
 

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the best Biden advert i saw so far was called; settle for Biden. the argument is that literally all that matters is beating Trump, so now everyone has to come together and back a new turd sandwich. as the geniuses at southpark described hillary back then.

instead of finding an engaging, karismatic young enthusiastic candidate, they come up with the closest thing to Hillary as you can get without renominating her. ok guys, your call, wish you luck with that.

Biden can't even talk anymore without a script and multiple cuts and retakes. just look at his Cardi b interview. i mean really.....do you even want to win democrats?

even the great politician Barak Obama has been quoted as saying;

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f--k things up,” one Democrat who spoke to the former president recalled him saying.
 
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Hammerhead

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the best Biden advert i saw so far was called; settle for Biden. the argument is that literally all that matters is beating trump, so now everyone has to come together and back a new turd sandwich. as the geniuses at southpark described hillary back then.

instead of finding an engaging, karismatic young enthusiastic candidate, they come up with the closest thing to Hillary as you can get without renominating her. ok guys, your call, wish you luck with that.

Biden can't even talk anymore without a script and multiple cuts and retakes. just look at his Cardi b interview. i mean really.....do you even want to win democrats?

even the great politician Barak Obama has been quoted as saying;


How bad could he fuck things up with Trump as the bar. IMO wouldn't matter nothing would be as bad as what Trumpturds done.
 

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Biden's presidency will lead to someone even more depraved than Trump rising up from the right in 2024. You think they're gonna run John Kasich after Trump? Lmao no, they're going full fascist and it's in direct response to the Democratic Parties utter failures. Which is exactly why Trump became the President in the first place. Not Russia, not any of that garbage. It's because the Democratic Party has moved right and fails to be a true opposition party OR a labor party to counter the right. Voters would rather gamble on an unknown populist than a career politician whom they hate (HRC for example, had an approval rating equal to or lower than Trump's in 2016 LMAO).
 

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Ive not seen any worse than Trumpturd. Mixing our gov with Russia is the end of the USA. Im pretty sure all know this. Except Trump.
 

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I guarantee you Tom Cotton runs for president in 2024. He's a young, competent version of Trump without all the bravado and buffoonery.

In many ways we lucked out Trump is so dumb and ineffective.
 

Switcher56

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IMO we are saying Biden is the solution to save the country from Trump. Nothing more than that. He is def not who id vote for if Trump wasn't running. Bad choices wont change with a 2 party system. Until the majority sees the rich for who they are it is what it is. We are far from the best country IMO. I'm hopeful we can fix that, I wouldn't hold my breath given the choices we have. . .
I was having a similar debate 5 yrs ago. Trump won on 2 promises: place a conservative judge in SCOTUS and the 2nd amendment. How has that work out for youz.

From day one Americans never accepted the elections and did everything in their power to remove him. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck. In 2015 band on I stated for the record that Trump was nothing more than an egotistical incompetent idiot, and please lets not blame the Russians!

So instead of re-grouping for next go around, youz wasted your time. Now you have the shit show the rest of the world sees and have had to endure. All because you folks were to inept to nominate someone that could resurrect the cesspool that was once the USA.

You guys may want to get some larger SWAMP Pps as in: 2 terms for the president and a max of 3 for anyone else. When you are up to your ass in alligators. Your 1st clue is to drain the swamp!

I mentioned this on more than one occasion. The swamp would bring Trump down or he would be assassinated. Former US Presidents have been assassinated for far less.
 

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Biden's presidency will lead to someone even more depraved than Trump rising up from the right in 2024. You think they're gonna run John Kasich after Trump? Lmao no, they're going full fascist and it's in direct response to the Democratic Parties utter failures. Which is exactly why Trump became the President in the first place. Not Russia, not any of that garbage. It's because the Democratic Party has moved right and fails to be a true opposition party OR a labor party to counter the right. Voters would rather gamble on an unknown populist than a career politician whom they hate (HRC for example, had an approval rating equal to or lower than Trump's in 2016 LMAO).

BOOM! and BAM! pure unaldulturated truth.
 

Gry

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I guarantee you Tom Cotton runs for president in 2024. He's a young, competent version of Trump without all the bravado and buffoonery.

In many ways we lucked out Trump is so dumb and ineffective.
Would imagine you are right with respect to Cotton.
 

Hammerhead

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I was having a similar debate 5 yrs ago. Trump won on 2 promises: place a conservative judge in SCOTUS and the 2nd amendment. How has that work out for youz.

From day one Americans never accepted the elections and did everything in their power to remove him. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck. In 2015 band on I stated for the record that Trump was nothing more than an egotistical incompetent idiot, and please lets not blame the Russians!

So instead of re-grouping for next go around, youz wasted your time. Now you have the shit show the rest of the world sees and have had to endure. All because you folks were to inept to nominate someone that could resurrect the cesspool that was once the USA.

You guys may want to get some larger SWAMP Pps as in: 2 terms for the president and a max of 3 for anyone else. When you are up to your ass in alligators. Your 1st clue is to drain the swamp!

I mentioned this on more than one occasion. The swamp would bring Trump down or he would be assassinated. Former US Presidents have been assassinated for far less.


This is allot of unpacking..



Im OK with the Supreme court judges. Of course I wouldn't have picked the same people. So far this SC has upheld all cases that matter. The only 1 was congress couldn't get his tax records. The state of NY got them.



For me Im confident he won only because of the help from Russia. There's plenty of prof of this massive miss info campaign. Cambridge was a huge success for Russia. Many US citizens had rally's paid for by Russia.

Trump is a amoral person. He hols none of the interpersonal skills to be a POTUS. I knew he was a crook before he was a candidate. He conned hundreds with his university scam. He used those funds as his own bank account paying for things like self portraits and paying cases lost from being sued.. He is a racist that wouldn't rent to people of color. He has numerous lawsuits of sex crimes.

For me its not mostly about policy. He is shit of a man. Bent on destroying the USA as long as he makes $$. Only the worst of us are those he protects.. Everyone else fuckum. No matter how much a group doesn't like a POTUS he must rise above the BS and lead us all. There are countless reasons he isn't capable of being a good POTUS. I don't have the same opinion about Biden.

IMO Biden has morels/ethics trump doesn't posses. I have great concerns about the shit not being reported like the roll back of environmental protections. Russians influence in our country. The lack of upholding the law for rich people. Im concerned Trumps divulged top secret info to Putin. I don't have the same concerns with Biden. Id rather give Biden 4 years than give Trump 4 more. Like I said we have a shitty 2 party political shit show. I have no choice but to vote my conscious and pick who I think will help us the most and keep out plant safer from corporations.. I wish we could have candidates that are worthy. Its all run by rich corrupt politicians and corporate entities. Trumps filled every top job with the swamp. Far worse than it ever was.

Its never gonna change in my lifetime. Trumps made his base hate any that doesn't drink there coolaid. The amount of trust they put in him is the saddest part. He doesn't care about any, he just wants there vote to stay in power. Ive never put that amount of trust into any politician. We don't have any say how our country is run no matter which side lives in the WH. Its all paid for by rich pedophiles. Our political processes has been broken for decades. Utill we stop fighting with ea other and see who the real enemy is nothing will change.
 
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