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debritto
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Hi OGH, nice to see you back! The small jar that I water cured (5 days start to smoke) is intense, 3 times more potent then its mates curing in jars. The big test will be the tall jar...it was some bad tasting stuff, if this method can make that stuff enjoyable. I'll do cartwheels! peaceoldgrayhair said:
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Thanks Expertsetup! It was a major rescue, I'm glad I did it!
PS: I've read other water cure threads and I am surprised by the varying results particularly the BAD ones.
I did it, I didn't experience any problems the potency significantly increased and even expanded. One was quality herb the other was old bag weed crap. Both had great results. The only problem, if you can call it a problem, is that it's too potent it can be addictive.
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Thanks Expertsetup! It was a major rescue, I'm glad I did it!
PS: I've read other water cure threads and I am surprised by the varying results particularly the BAD ones.
I did it, I didn't experience any problems the potency significantly increased and even expanded. One was quality herb the other was old bag weed crap. Both had great results. The only problem, if you can call it a problem, is that it's too potent it can be addictive.
Peace
debritto
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MY OBSERVATIONS...
MY OBSERVATIONS...
Ok, after the great results I had, I cured some more of the quality stuff, but this time, I would start with distilled water...BIG MISTAKE!
After about the first or second day the water and bud smelled like sh*t! The ppms dropped like crazy thou, but the smell on the bud was so disgusting that I decided to start over with tap water! (mine is about 390ppms) It took about three days to get that NASTY smell out! I did the last day with distilled! It turned out great just like the first time!
I would NOT recommend using distilled water in the beginning of your water cure (I think its a chemistry thing). ONLY in the 1-2 final days of curing. I now understand why some people have had bad experiences with water cure and if you are having a bad experience right now START OVER WITH TAP WATER, it will save your buds!
The quality stuff: water cured/jar cured vs. jar cured only.
The smell: I have been burping them both every morning. When I first open the jars, the water cured smells great, strong, like the designer stuff it is. The jar cured only has a faint quality smell, still smells a little green, a little hayish not as strong, kind of flat. Im sure it will improve in another 3-6 weeks?
What I noticed about my water cured buds is that they maintain their genetic scent whatever that is, if it smells like a grapefruit when growing, it will smell like a grapefruit after being water cured. However, when you smoke it, the smoke that you exhale doesn't smell like MJ. But it'll always have its true genetic scent for you to enjoy!
The potency: Water cured win hands down, very intense!
The taste: Its hard to describe taste. The water cured is much smoother & cleaner tasting...as it cures longer, it taste like hash.
My last note, I promise! Out-put water color; I noticed, when I water cured stuff grown in a dark nutrient solution, like organics, liquid karma, etc...the out put water was very dark and when I water cured stuff grown in a mostly clear nutrient solution (Sensi 2 part) the water was clear. The color of the water is NOT an indication of the level of ppms left in the water. Take distilled, RO & tap all have same color, but very different ppms. I recommend curing the full 7 days regardless of color.
Thanks all...Peace
Sorry; It burns white ash, not black crap!
MY OBSERVATIONS...
Ok, after the great results I had, I cured some more of the quality stuff, but this time, I would start with distilled water...BIG MISTAKE!
After about the first or second day the water and bud smelled like sh*t! The ppms dropped like crazy thou, but the smell on the bud was so disgusting that I decided to start over with tap water! (mine is about 390ppms) It took about three days to get that NASTY smell out! I did the last day with distilled! It turned out great just like the first time!
I would NOT recommend using distilled water in the beginning of your water cure (I think its a chemistry thing). ONLY in the 1-2 final days of curing. I now understand why some people have had bad experiences with water cure and if you are having a bad experience right now START OVER WITH TAP WATER, it will save your buds!
The quality stuff: water cured/jar cured vs. jar cured only.
The smell: I have been burping them both every morning. When I first open the jars, the water cured smells great, strong, like the designer stuff it is. The jar cured only has a faint quality smell, still smells a little green, a little hayish not as strong, kind of flat. Im sure it will improve in another 3-6 weeks?
What I noticed about my water cured buds is that they maintain their genetic scent whatever that is, if it smells like a grapefruit when growing, it will smell like a grapefruit after being water cured. However, when you smoke it, the smoke that you exhale doesn't smell like MJ. But it'll always have its true genetic scent for you to enjoy!
The potency: Water cured win hands down, very intense!
The taste: Its hard to describe taste. The water cured is much smoother & cleaner tasting...as it cures longer, it taste like hash.
My last note, I promise! Out-put water color; I noticed, when I water cured stuff grown in a dark nutrient solution, like organics, liquid karma, etc...the out put water was very dark and when I water cured stuff grown in a mostly clear nutrient solution (Sensi 2 part) the water was clear. The color of the water is NOT an indication of the level of ppms left in the water. Take distilled, RO & tap all have same color, but very different ppms. I recommend curing the full 7 days regardless of color.
Thanks all...Peace
Sorry; It burns white ash, not black crap!
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phattybudz
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I might try this, I've heard positive and negative reviews so I'm still skeptical...looks sweet though!
I might try this, I've heard positive and negative reviews so I'm still skeptical...looks sweet though!
I don't believe that water cured is more potent as much as it gives the illusion of greater potency. Because it reduces bulk more than jar cures with no loss of potency, it provides the same THC in less volume. Most people fill their bowls by sight. Filling a bowl to the same height with WC weed means you're smoking 10-15% more THC per hit, not that theres 10-15% more THC in the yield.
I could be wrong but, I'd need to see tests.
I could be wrong but, I'd need to see tests.
debritto
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I dont know, 10-15% more THC per hit, sounds more potent to me and with water cured even though its very smooth, you only need half a hit, because you can feel it expand kind of like hash.
I say today, test a small buds you have lying around and let us know in seven days. Be careful I think water cured can become addicting and for that reason only, it may not be a good thing to get into. You've been warned! Let us know!
I say today, test a small buds you have lying around and let us know in seven days. Be careful I think water cured can become addicting and for that reason only, it may not be a good thing to get into. You've been warned! Let us know!
While 10-15% more THC per hit means the hit is more potent, it also means we have 10-15% fewer hits per harvest, assuming we haven't adjusted the depth to which we fill our pipes.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a dedicated water cure kinda guy. I believe it's smoother and cooler. It's undeniably faster. I'm just leery of certain claims made by others, such as smoking it under Leo's nose without him smelling it (you won't catch me trying that). WC will definately provide more THC per hit of Xvolume. It will do it cooler, smoother, less coughing etc. I just don't believe it increases the THC content of the garden. It will retain the garden's THC in a smaller package but, I believe the total amount of THC per garden remains the same.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a dedicated water cure kinda guy. I believe it's smoother and cooler. It's undeniably faster. I'm just leery of certain claims made by others, such as smoking it under Leo's nose without him smelling it (you won't catch me trying that). WC will definately provide more THC per hit of Xvolume. It will do it cooler, smoother, less coughing etc. I just don't believe it increases the THC content of the garden. It will retain the garden's THC in a smaller package but, I believe the total amount of THC per garden remains the same.
debritto
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I think, I read that thread too, if I remember he was a tobacco smoker who rolled a WC joint in a cigarette machine with a filter and added some kind of tobacco to give it a familiar smell and then smoked it as he walked passed the police. He must be legal...no one in their right mind would do that, unless they were legal.
I dont think WC increases the THC of the garden either. I dont see how it could, it is what it is already. I know, it increases the intensity of the high. My same jar cured stuff has never expanded is not as intense, but its only been curing since the 25th. Maybe, I am just using the wrong word. I should use Intensity instead of Potency, because you're right of course the potency is the same, but the Intensity is very different. Would you agree? Peace
I dont think WC increases the THC of the garden either. I dont see how it could, it is what it is already. I know, it increases the intensity of the high. My same jar cured stuff has never expanded is not as intense, but its only been curing since the 25th. Maybe, I am just using the wrong word. I should use Intensity instead of Potency, because you're right of course the potency is the same, but the Intensity is very different. Would you agree? Peace
Ah, semantics. Gotta love em.
I'll have to take you're word on the intensity thing as you've studied it and I really haven't. My first WC was before I had the quantity of product or continuity of strain required for a legit test. I tried a stem on the side. Both to test the method and the buds (I knew nothing of thrich color then). It was so smooth, I thought I'd killed it. I stopped air curing then and there.
I'll have to take you're word on the intensity thing as you've studied it and I really haven't. My first WC was before I had the quantity of product or continuity of strain required for a legit test. I tried a stem on the side. Both to test the method and the buds (I knew nothing of thrich color then). It was so smooth, I thought I'd killed it. I stopped air curing then and there.
debritto
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Its interesting that WC & bubble hash are my two favorite things to make. I've had this idea to wc some leaf to make bubble. I wonder if it will work? I'd like to get blonde colored hash & full bubble melt every time. That would be very cool.
Someday, I'd like to learn how to make jolly ranchers. They have some pretty cool potions and eatables at the dispensaries. I'll check out the cooking forum. Peace
Someday, I'd like to learn how to make jolly ranchers. They have some pretty cool potions and eatables at the dispensaries. I'll check out the cooking forum. Peace
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Air cures reduce weight by about 75%. Water cure approx 85%.
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in regards to potency
I had, for years, used variosu methods to create hash oil
there was a school of thought, that always suggested you leach your weed with water
it reduces the water soluble waxes and tars
so in terms of volume more potents? Yes
now to build upon that, the same school of thought surmised that the water solubles when smoked, diluted the effects of THC or had a negative infuence on the high.
I felt that these theorys had some truth to them. Perhaps this is the upside to water curing
I had, for years, used variosu methods to create hash oil
there was a school of thought, that always suggested you leach your weed with water
it reduces the water soluble waxes and tars
so in terms of volume more potents? Yes
now to build upon that, the same school of thought surmised that the water solubles when smoked, diluted the effects of THC or had a negative infuence on the high.
I felt that these theorys had some truth to them. Perhaps this is the upside to water curing
Water Cure Hash Making
Water Cure Hash Making
Now this is interesting indeed. Removing the water soluble material from the plant prior to QWISO, bubble or butane seems like it would improve the quality of the product a great deal. I might have to use some of my trim and give it a shot.
Water Cure Hash Making
Now this is interesting indeed. Removing the water soluble material from the plant prior to QWISO, bubble or butane seems like it would improve the quality of the product a great deal. I might have to use some of my trim and give it a shot.
it's odd that water cured is regarded as less desirable. The only reason I wouldn't water cure is because customers tend to judge bud quality by smell and looks. Water cured is darker and doesn't smell as pungent. I guess when everyone is saying their stuff is the dankest of the dank, customers are automatically skeptical when their dude is saying that this odorless dark lump is bomb.
I think once people get a little smarter about their marijuana intake, water curing will be far more popular.
I think once people get a little smarter about their marijuana intake, water curing will be far more popular.
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^ Above poster is right.
When it all comes down to it, it's up to the individuals unique setting whether one is to water cure, or regular dry/cure.
Water cure provides these benefits:
-Washes out nasties from an outdoor harvest (bugs, foliar sprays, hair/seedpods, poop, chlorophyl)
-Improves the ratio of thc to various other bud weight matter (chlorophyl, mineral leftovers) giving your final product a higher thc to weight mass ratio, but less total weight in terms of final harvest.
If conventional air dried product shrinks 75% in total weight from the wet harvest, and water cured 85%, it seems you lose ~33-50% of your total harvest weight to non-water soluble bud/leaf matter. This is the stuff that adds weight to your product that doesnt get you "high."
-Decreases smell the buds give off (this can be either a good or bad attribute, depending on ones situation/needs). For my situation, this is the main reason why I will be water curing.
-After the 7 day water cure, buds can be placed on a rack with a fan and dried as fast as possible. After they are dry, virtually no smell is present unless the buds are held up to ones nose and smelled. Fast drying also reduces the chance of mold after the water cure which is vital.
Would adding Hydrogen Peroxide H202 to the water cure prevent and kill mold spores present on a harvest without damaging the quality of the thc?
Would there also be a way to possibly monitor a water cured harvests Relative Humidity after taking it out of the water to dry? It seems at this stage when the water is still in the buds, you can tune environmental settings to favor them to get to the stage of 60-65% RH (the curing zone). At this point would it be possible to air cure odorless water cured bud at 60-65% with various scents/flavors? Would there be a point to doing this?
Perhaps to add smell back to the original product?
I am going to try this method with approx 1lb in a rubbermaid. After I get to this last point, I will jar them up and cure with sticks of juicy fruit bubble gum, or other intense smells.
I wonder if the smell will become one with the bud after a very long cure of 3 months or more? If I can succesfully apply H202 during the water cure to kill mold/harmful pathogens and then use this method, it seems I wont have to burp the jars as often, or at all after a certain point.
When it all comes down to it, it's up to the individuals unique setting whether one is to water cure, or regular dry/cure.
Water cure provides these benefits:
-Washes out nasties from an outdoor harvest (bugs, foliar sprays, hair/seedpods, poop, chlorophyl)
-Improves the ratio of thc to various other bud weight matter (chlorophyl, mineral leftovers) giving your final product a higher thc to weight mass ratio, but less total weight in terms of final harvest.
If conventional air dried product shrinks 75% in total weight from the wet harvest, and water cured 85%, it seems you lose ~33-50% of your total harvest weight to non-water soluble bud/leaf matter. This is the stuff that adds weight to your product that doesnt get you "high."
-Decreases smell the buds give off (this can be either a good or bad attribute, depending on ones situation/needs). For my situation, this is the main reason why I will be water curing.
-After the 7 day water cure, buds can be placed on a rack with a fan and dried as fast as possible. After they are dry, virtually no smell is present unless the buds are held up to ones nose and smelled. Fast drying also reduces the chance of mold after the water cure which is vital.
Would adding Hydrogen Peroxide H202 to the water cure prevent and kill mold spores present on a harvest without damaging the quality of the thc?
Would there also be a way to possibly monitor a water cured harvests Relative Humidity after taking it out of the water to dry? It seems at this stage when the water is still in the buds, you can tune environmental settings to favor them to get to the stage of 60-65% RH (the curing zone). At this point would it be possible to air cure odorless water cured bud at 60-65% with various scents/flavors? Would there be a point to doing this?
Perhaps to add smell back to the original product?
I am going to try this method with approx 1lb in a rubbermaid. After I get to this last point, I will jar them up and cure with sticks of juicy fruit bubble gum, or other intense smells.
I wonder if the smell will become one with the bud after a very long cure of 3 months or more? If I can succesfully apply H202 during the water cure to kill mold/harmful pathogens and then use this method, it seems I wont have to burp the jars as often, or at all after a certain point.
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