And humans (should we survive) will continue to hate each other and kill accordingly... probably while teaching that hate and killing are wrong.
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He'll end up eating a trans person and killing himself over the shame.
literally, or figuratively? the "eating" part, i mean.
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Dispute over how many hostages to be freed in a partial deal
Today, 4:21 pm
Israelis attend a rally calling for the release of those held hostage by the Hamas terror group in Gaza, at Hostages Square in Tel Aviv, December 7, 2024. (Avshalom Sassoni/Flash90)
Defense Minister Israel Katz reportedly told Knesset lawmakers on Monday that Israel is “closer than ever” to closing a deal with Hamas to free the hostages held in Gaza, bolstering Arab media reports of heavy optimism on the chances for an agreement in the coming weeks.
Katz’s comments to the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee were made behind closed doors but leaks of his remarks were reported widely in the Hebrew press.
“Israel is closer than ever to another hostage deal,” Katz was quoted as saying. He added that the less said the better, echoing comments made by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday after he discussed with US President-elect Donald Trump the ongoing efforts to free the abductees being held by Hamas in Gaza.
“We are working all the time, without rest, to bring our hostages home,” Netanyahu said in a statement after the call, giving scant details: “The less we talk about it, the better — that way, with God’s help, we will succeed.”
Trump has threatened those holding hostages in the Middle East with unprecedented American firepower if they are not released by the time he enters office on January 20.
Katz also predicted that the deal on the table would be backed by most of the coalition and should not face internal obstacles, according to the Walla news site.
Defense Minister Israel Katz at the Knesset on December 9, 2024 (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)
He seemingly indicated that the deal would not include an open-ended halt to hostilities, a measure sought by Hamas but opposed by many in Netanyahu’s hard-right coalition.
“There’s flexibility on the other side. They understand we’re not going to end the war,” he was quoted as saying, in the latest indication that the sides may be moving closer toward a deal to free the hostages kidnapped during Hamas’s October 7, 2023, massacre and stop the fighting, even if temporarily.
Katz also reportedly said that the issue of the IDF’s ongoing presence on the Philadelphi Corridor along the Gaza-Egypt border, and in the Neztarim Corridor that bisects northern and southern Gaza, “would not constitute an obstacle to a deal; there is flexibility from Hamas on this issue.” Netanyahu has in recent months insisted on maintaining the IDF’s deployment along the Philadelphi Corridor for the foreseeable future.
For now, however, talks are hung up over the number of living hostages to be released in a partial deal, according to reports on both Channel 12 and Channel 13. Hamas insists on releasing far fewer than Israel demands, and Israel is not willing to budge, the reports said.
Channel 12 news reported Sunday evening that during the Netanyahu-Trump conversation, the prime minister told the president-elect that the US must pressure negotiators to agree to a much higher number of hostages being released and that Hamas was offering to free “an unacceptable number” within the “humanitarian” category.
Several waves of negotiations have stalled and failed to reach a sequel to an agreement reached in late November 2023, in which 105 hostages were released in a weeklong truce.
Katz’s comments were published as Egyptian security sources cited by Lebanese outlet al-Akhbar said that inconclusive talks over the past several days aimed to expand the deal on the table to include more hostages to be released and a longer cessation of hostilities.
The pro-Hezbollah paper also reported that Jerusalem and Cairo were still at loggerheads over the future management of the Rafah Border Crossing between Gaza and Egypt, which Israel captured from Hamas in May.
The Rafah Border Crossing in the southern Gaza Strip on June 18, 2024. (Emanuel Fabian/Times of Israel)
The gateway has remained closed since then, with Egypt refusing to reopen it until it was back under Palestinian control, to avoid being seen as complicit with Israel’s military operation. The crossing is a major conduit for aid into Gaza and its closure has worsened the humanitarian crisis caused by the war.
In a separate report, meanwhile, the Saudi Asharq News outlet quoted an unnamed Hamas leader as saying that the sides were “closer than ever” to reaching a deal — “if Netanyahu doesn’t obstruct it.”
The source claimed that the terror group had submitted a proposal showing “great flexibility,” which stipulates a “gradual end to the war and a gradual withdrawal of Israeli forces according to an agreed-upon timetable, and guarantees from international mediators.”
Mediators have been intensifying contacts and talks to bridge the gaps and reach an agreement quickly, the Hamas leader claimed, adding that the terror group’s objectives remain a permanent halt to hostilities, a complete Israeli withdrawal, the return of displaced Gazans to their homes, and a fair deal for the release of hostages and Palestinian security prisoners.
Another source familiar with the negotiations told Asharq that Hamas had been informed that Trump wants a ceasefire and hostage release deal as soon as possible, before his inauguration in January and perhaps even before the end of the year.
Then-former US president Donald Trump poses for photos with family members of Hamas hostage Edan Alexander, after visiting the gravesite of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson in New York, October 7, 2024. (AP Photo/ Yuki Iwamura)
“Hamas and the resistance [i.e., other Palestinian terror factions] are ready, but the problem lies with the occupation [i.e., Israel],” the source asserted.
The reports swirled as a Channel 13 news poll on Sunday showed resounding support among Israelis for the government to promote a hostage deal, with 65 percent of respondents saying it should be the top priority.
An unnamed Israeli official told the Israel Hayom daily on Sunday that a ceasefire-hostage deal would likely be completed by Hanukkah, which begins this year on the evening of December 25.
Ditza Heiman, 84, held hostage since October 7, is transferred by Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists to the Red Cross in Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, on November 28, 2023. (Photo by AFP)
On Sunday night, the heads of the Mossad and Shin Bet security services told the security cabinet that there was a new willingness within Hamas to reach a deal, according to a Ynet report that cited a senior Israeli official.
The Wall Street Journal reported last week that Hamas had given in to an Israeli demand that the Israel Defense Forces remain in Gaza temporarily under a ceasefire-hostage deal, after having previously refused to release any more hostages unless Israel agrees to a full withdrawal from the enclave and an end to the war, which the government has refused.
Israel believes that 96 of the 251 hostages kidnapped by Hamas terrorists on October 7, 2023, remain in the Strip, a figure that includes the bodies of at least 34 captives confirmed dead by the IDF.
Hamas released 105 civilians during last November’s truce, and four hostages were released before that. Eight hostages have been rescued by troops alive, and the bodies of 38 hostages have been recovered, including three mistakenly killed by the Israeli military as they tried to escape their captors.
Hamas is also holding two Israeli civilians who entered the Strip in 2014 and 2015, as well as the bodies of two IDF soldiers who were killed in 2014.
Lazar Berman contributed to this report.
Katz said to tell MKs hostage-truce deal ‘closer than ever,’ echoing Hamas optimism
Terror group leader quoted as saying agreement close, ‘if Netanyahu doesn’t obstruct it’; Egyptian security sources say talks aim to free more hostages, secure longer truce
By Gianluca Pacchiani and ToI StaffToday, 4:21 pm
Israelis attend a rally calling for the release of those held hostage by the Hamas terror group in Gaza, at Hostages Square in Tel Aviv, December 7, 2024. (Avshalom Sassoni/Flash90)
Defense Minister Israel Katz reportedly told Knesset lawmakers on Monday that Israel is “closer than ever” to closing a deal with Hamas to free the hostages held in Gaza, bolstering Arab media reports of heavy optimism on the chances for an agreement in the coming weeks.
Katz’s comments to the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee were made behind closed doors but leaks of his remarks were reported widely in the Hebrew press.
“Israel is closer than ever to another hostage deal,” Katz was quoted as saying. He added that the less said the better, echoing comments made by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday after he discussed with US President-elect Donald Trump the ongoing efforts to free the abductees being held by Hamas in Gaza.
“We are working all the time, without rest, to bring our hostages home,” Netanyahu said in a statement after the call, giving scant details: “The less we talk about it, the better — that way, with God’s help, we will succeed.”
Trump has threatened those holding hostages in the Middle East with unprecedented American firepower if they are not released by the time he enters office on January 20.
Katz also predicted that the deal on the table would be backed by most of the coalition and should not face internal obstacles, according to the Walla news site.
Defense Minister Israel Katz at the Knesset on December 9, 2024 (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)
He seemingly indicated that the deal would not include an open-ended halt to hostilities, a measure sought by Hamas but opposed by many in Netanyahu’s hard-right coalition.
“There’s flexibility on the other side. They understand we’re not going to end the war,” he was quoted as saying, in the latest indication that the sides may be moving closer toward a deal to free the hostages kidnapped during Hamas’s October 7, 2023, massacre and stop the fighting, even if temporarily.
Katz also reportedly said that the issue of the IDF’s ongoing presence on the Philadelphi Corridor along the Gaza-Egypt border, and in the Neztarim Corridor that bisects northern and southern Gaza, “would not constitute an obstacle to a deal; there is flexibility from Hamas on this issue.” Netanyahu has in recent months insisted on maintaining the IDF’s deployment along the Philadelphi Corridor for the foreseeable future.
For now, however, talks are hung up over the number of living hostages to be released in a partial deal, according to reports on both Channel 12 and Channel 13. Hamas insists on releasing far fewer than Israel demands, and Israel is not willing to budge, the reports said.
Channel 12 news reported Sunday evening that during the Netanyahu-Trump conversation, the prime minister told the president-elect that the US must pressure negotiators to agree to a much higher number of hostages being released and that Hamas was offering to free “an unacceptable number” within the “humanitarian” category.
Several waves of negotiations have stalled and failed to reach a sequel to an agreement reached in late November 2023, in which 105 hostages were released in a weeklong truce.
Katz’s comments were published as Egyptian security sources cited by Lebanese outlet al-Akhbar said that inconclusive talks over the past several days aimed to expand the deal on the table to include more hostages to be released and a longer cessation of hostilities.
The pro-Hezbollah paper also reported that Jerusalem and Cairo were still at loggerheads over the future management of the Rafah Border Crossing between Gaza and Egypt, which Israel captured from Hamas in May.
The Rafah Border Crossing in the southern Gaza Strip on June 18, 2024. (Emanuel Fabian/Times of Israel)
The gateway has remained closed since then, with Egypt refusing to reopen it until it was back under Palestinian control, to avoid being seen as complicit with Israel’s military operation. The crossing is a major conduit for aid into Gaza and its closure has worsened the humanitarian crisis caused by the war.
In a separate report, meanwhile, the Saudi Asharq News outlet quoted an unnamed Hamas leader as saying that the sides were “closer than ever” to reaching a deal — “if Netanyahu doesn’t obstruct it.”
The source claimed that the terror group had submitted a proposal showing “great flexibility,” which stipulates a “gradual end to the war and a gradual withdrawal of Israeli forces according to an agreed-upon timetable, and guarantees from international mediators.”
Mediators have been intensifying contacts and talks to bridge the gaps and reach an agreement quickly, the Hamas leader claimed, adding that the terror group’s objectives remain a permanent halt to hostilities, a complete Israeli withdrawal, the return of displaced Gazans to their homes, and a fair deal for the release of hostages and Palestinian security prisoners.
Another source familiar with the negotiations told Asharq that Hamas had been informed that Trump wants a ceasefire and hostage release deal as soon as possible, before his inauguration in January and perhaps even before the end of the year.
Then-former US president Donald Trump poses for photos with family members of Hamas hostage Edan Alexander, after visiting the gravesite of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson in New York, October 7, 2024. (AP Photo/ Yuki Iwamura)
“Hamas and the resistance [i.e., other Palestinian terror factions] are ready, but the problem lies with the occupation [i.e., Israel],” the source asserted.
The reports swirled as a Channel 13 news poll on Sunday showed resounding support among Israelis for the government to promote a hostage deal, with 65 percent of respondents saying it should be the top priority.
An unnamed Israeli official told the Israel Hayom daily on Sunday that a ceasefire-hostage deal would likely be completed by Hanukkah, which begins this year on the evening of December 25.
Ditza Heiman, 84, held hostage since October 7, is transferred by Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists to the Red Cross in Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, on November 28, 2023. (Photo by AFP)
On Sunday night, the heads of the Mossad and Shin Bet security services told the security cabinet that there was a new willingness within Hamas to reach a deal, according to a Ynet report that cited a senior Israeli official.
The Wall Street Journal reported last week that Hamas had given in to an Israeli demand that the Israel Defense Forces remain in Gaza temporarily under a ceasefire-hostage deal, after having previously refused to release any more hostages unless Israel agrees to a full withdrawal from the enclave and an end to the war, which the government has refused.
Israel believes that 96 of the 251 hostages kidnapped by Hamas terrorists on October 7, 2023, remain in the Strip, a figure that includes the bodies of at least 34 captives confirmed dead by the IDF.
Hamas released 105 civilians during last November’s truce, and four hostages were released before that. Eight hostages have been rescued by troops alive, and the bodies of 38 hostages have been recovered, including three mistakenly killed by the Israeli military as they tried to escape their captors.
Hamas is also holding two Israeli civilians who entered the Strip in 2014 and 2015, as well as the bodies of two IDF soldiers who were killed in 2014.
Lazar Berman contributed to this report.
"the less said the better" - are they working AGAINST a deal ? they sure haven't stopped talking about it. ??? "hey, this potentially great thing might happen if no one knows. lemme tell you (and the world at large) about it..."
Just curious, has she been with CNN before it was bought up? So, is this the near equivalent of mistaking a concentration camp guard for a prisoner? Except, here it is just to 'get a scoop'...
So donuts are velcro because they are round or because they have holes?
Brother Nature
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Be careful of the side effects of a hipster only diet, which may include; patchouli stench, inadvertent man-bun growth, ironically 'liking things' that you secretly actually like, herpes, and many other reprehensible pretentious human traits... try evening out the diet with an incel or tech bro once in a while, some vegans can be good but make sure they're sourced very unethically.Im prepping for it.
Im already digging a basement to keep hipsters for limb harvesting. They're all organic
RobFromTX
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I'll still be able to taste the pumpkin spice lattes
RobFromTX
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You really think the whole thing was a big scam dont you
Look... the only people doing anything wrong are the Jews and Ukraine.
And the Democratic party.
Everyone else is just trying to get along.
What is so hard to understand about propaganda?!
And the Democratic party.
Everyone else is just trying to get along.
What is so hard to understand about propaganda?!
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It's a verifiable fact that they faked the 40 beheaded baby story and elevated it to the point where it was used as justification of genocide. it never happened. meanwhile i have seen countless beheaded palestinian children and not a single one of their stories reached the same level of elevation as the fake manufactured story received.You really think the whole thing was a big scam dont you
the guy she supposedly rescued from jail and did a puff piece on was literally a notorious Assad regime torturer. this story once again was blown up while the once again verifiable facts that israelis are raping their prisoners which includes children was put under the rug.
this propaganda process was famously referred to as "manufacturing consent" by Noam Chomsky.
why do you even bother posting lmao
