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Only monsters would allow rape in prisons.
It's the conservatives who are the real geniuses.
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Israel said to agree in principle to Lebanon ceasefire offer, though some issues remain
Netanyahu holds consultation reportedly focused on how to sell agreement to public; US envoy said to have warned if no truce now, sides would have to wait for Trump
By ToI Staff24 November 2024, 11:04 pm
Updated: Today, 8:51 am
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks at a cabinet meeting on November 24, 2024. (Screen grab/GPO)
Israel has agreed in principle to a US-backed ceasefire with Hezbollah in Lebanon and Prime Minister Benjamin is now working on how to present it to the public, according to multiple reports Sunday night, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held high-level consultations on the matter.
The meeting came as Israel was hit by waves of rocket fire from Lebanon throughout the day and the Air Force carried out repeated strikes on Hezbollah sites in Beirut.
The reports on Kan, Ynet and Haaretz, which cited officials in Jerusalem, Washington and Beirut, all noted that approval of the proposal was not final, and that several issues must still be ironed out, but that Jerusalem had okayed the main tenets of the proposal. According to Ynet, this had been conveyed to Lebanon.
Hezbollah leader Naim Qassem said last week that the terror group had reviewed the truce proposal and submitted a response and that the ball was in Israel’s court.
Haaretz reported that the proposal will include three stages: a truce followed by Hezbollah removing its forces north of the Litani River; an Israeli pullout from southern Lebanon; and finally, Israeli-Lebanese negotiations on demarcation of contested border areas.
It said an international body led by the US will be tasked with monitoring the ceasefire, and that Israel expects to receive a letter from Washington affirming its right to act militarily should Hezbollah break the terms of the ceasefire amid no action by Lebanon’s military and international forces.
And Kan, on Netanyahu’s plan to sell the deal to the public, said the aim is to present the truce not as a compromise but as beneficial to Israel.
The consultation was held with a few senior ministers and security officials, and according to Kan also focused on Israel’s freedom to operate on the borders with Lebanon and Syria after the agreement is finalized.
According to multiple Hebrew media reports, US special envoy Amos Hochstein told Israeli officials over the weekend that this was their last chance to move forward with the deal and that if they did not accept it, he would give up his efforts and Israel and Hezbollah would have to wait for incoming president Donald Trump to take office in January before American mediation efforts resumed.
Hochstein visited both Beirut and Jerusalem last week to push for the US-backed agreement that would see Hezbollah gradually withdraw north of the Litani River and the Lebanese Army retake responsibility for southern Lebanon.
US special envoy Amos Hochstein meets with IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi and Defense Minister Israel Katz in Tel Aviv on November 21, 2024. (Ariel Hermoni/Defense Ministry)
Under the potential ceasefire, the Lebanese Army would be responsible for preventing Hezbollah from reestablishing itself in southern Lebanon.
As part of the effort to get an agreement signed this week, former US ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro was due to arrive in Israel on Monday to facilitate hammering out the final details of the agreement, Channel 12 reported.
As talks continued on Sunday, Hezbollah stepped up its attacks on Israel, firing more than 250 rockets and drones at northern and central Israel throughout the day, wounding several people.
The intensity of the terrorist organization’s attacks on Israel on Sunday was not seen as surprising by Israeli officials, according to Channel 12, which reported on Sunday evening that Israel expected Hezbollah’s attacks to increase the closer the sides got to finalizing an agreement.
The group’s aim, the channel reported, was to demonstrate that it still had the capabilities to attack Israel and to try and deter it from attacking Beirut.
Hezbollah also published an apparently AI-generated photo on Sunday showing damage to a highway from a rocket attack, with a caption threatening that the “fate of Tel Aviv would be the fate of Beirut” if Israel continued to attack the Lebanese capital city.
An apparently AI-generated picture released by Hezbollah on November 24, 2023, showing damage to an Israeli highway with text asserting that Israeli attacks on Beirut will routinely be met by Hezbollah attacks on Tel Aviv. (Hezbollah media office)
Hezbollah has long tried to impose a balance of power in a bid to deter Israel.
However, Ynet reported that Israel also intended to step up its strikes on Hezbollah targets in Beirut to damage as much of its capabilities as possible before a deal was finalized.
Since October 8, 2023, Hezbollah-led forces have attacked Israeli communities and military posts along the border on a near-daily basis, with the group saying it is doing so to support Gaza amid the war there.
Some 60,000 residents were evacuated from northern towns on the Lebanon border shortly after Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, amid fears Hezbollah would carry out a similar attack, and increasing rocket fire by the terror group.
Hezbollah has since expanded its attacks to also target cities in central and northern Israel with rockets, in addition to the attacks on the border.
Israel stepped up its offensive on Hezbollah in Lebanon in late September, launching extensive strikes and operations that took out most of the group’s leadership, including its longtime leader Hassan Nasrallah.
Israel then launched a ground operation into southern Lebanon, with the aim of clearing Hezbollah strongholds in the area and making it safe for evacuated residents of northern Israel to return to their homes.
The attacks on northern Israel since October 2023 have resulted in the deaths of 44 civilians. In addition, 71 IDF soldiers and reservists have died in cross-border skirmishes and in the ensuing ground operation launched in southern Lebanon in late September.
In recent days, heavy ground fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has continued in southern Lebanon, with Israeli troops pushing farther from the border.
Trump is so about to fix this.
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WATCH: Hamas brutally tortures Gazans, IDF footage reveals
The materials were recovered by IDF soldiers during operations in the Gaza Strip.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF NOVEMBER 10, 2024 13:57Updated: NOVEMBER 10, 2024 14:52
A Hamas terrorist tortures a Gazan civilian.(photo credit: IDF SPOKESPERSON'S UNIT, screenshot)
The IDF published over 45 minutes of footage depicting Hamas terrorists torturing Gazan civilians on Sunday.
During ground operations in the Gaza Strip, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Israel Security Agency (ISA) forces uncovered videos showing severe abuses perpetrated by the Hamas terrorist organization against the civilian population in the Gaza Strip.
The materials reveal Hamas’s brutal methods of interrogating civilians, violating human rights, and systematically oppressing residents suspected of opposing the organization’s rule.
Instilling fear in the local population
The videos, controlled by Hamas’s security apparatus, document activities at Outpost 17 in the Gaza Strip, where interrogations of civilians suspected of opposing Hamas are conducted.These materials expose the methods used by the Hamas terrorist organization to govern the Gaza Strip, instill fear, harm vulnerable civilians, and suppress freedom of expression.
IDF and ISA forces are continuing their activities in the Gaza Strip to locate and dismantle terrorist infrastructure.
The footage is understood to be from the years 2018-2020 and was uncovered in the Gaza Strip during operations
GenghisKush
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translation:
"Hamas brought Nakba on us."
"Hamas brought Nakba on us."
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Bibi's a lot like Trump and many other politicos; rarely to never responsible for their own crimes or misdeeds. Someone else made them do it... The 76 years of illegal occupation, rape, destruction of homes, apartheid and murder were forced upon them by... who knows who?
But the ICC's having none of their limp-dicked excuses. Thankfully.
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I don't agree that there is genocide in Gaza.
Bibi deserves imprisonment, should he be convicted of any of the crimes he has committed. I agree that evidence sufficient to to charge Bibi w war crimes probably exists. Israel has a robust judicial system and a history of bringing charges and convictions against high-level leaders in government, including heads of state (such cases have even been adjudicated by non-Jewish Arab judges, a thing impossible in an ethnostate or an apartheid society).
Yeah, ok.
"The International Criminal Court (ICC) steps in only when national courts fail to handle cases properly," the ICC began its announcement on Saturday, explaining why arrest warrants against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant had been issued.
“The primary responsibility is for the national judicial systems,” emphasized ICC spokesperson Fadi El Abdallah, adding, “However, if there are no genuine investigations or prosecutions, then the court has to investigate and prosecute where the legal conditions are met.”
He added that having a legal system is not enough, as it must actively address the alleged crimes, stressing, “There is a need to demonstrate that this legal system is active in relation to crimes or alleged crimes.”
ICC spokesperson explains arrest warrants against Netanyahu, Gallant
“If there are no genuine investigations or prosecutions, then the court has to investigate and prosecute where the legal conditions are met,” the ICC stated.
www.jpost.com
Two British attorneys, described as experts on criminal law with a background at the ICC, were recently in Jerusalem for consultations, and told Israeli officials an inquiry commission would “assist in the legal battle” against warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, the report said.
The court’s Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan said in May that he was seeking arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant for possible war crimes in Gaza.
The two attorneys, who were not identified in the report, met with senior Israeli officials, including members of the inter-ministerial team set up to handle Israel’s legal campaign at the ICC, which sits in The Hague, in the Netherlands.
State commissions of inquiry are typically headed by a retired Supreme Court justice, appointed by the court president. As such, they are seen by international agencies as an indication of an independent justice system able to probe allegations against a country, circumventing the need for external intervention.
if you subscribe to the idea that israel and world- judaism are inextricably linked (i personally don't think jewish people around the world are defined by what the israeli government does), isn't it anti- semitic to imply that israel has no agency and that hamas or some other entity caused them to do the war crimes?
the guy who single handedly (and handily) handled (sorry, working on my dad jokes) the case against south africa iirc, said the team of awesomeness they have for the icj case ought to slam dunk the shit out of it... but we shall see if either court still has any teeth like we want them to.
well then i implore you to check out the geneva genocide convention; it's a quick read, i promise.
I don't view Israel and worldwide Judaism as inextricably linked. Many a rabbi has pointed out that those leading the militant charge to illegally settle Gaza and the West Bank are idolatrous heretics. Bibi and his ilk are still caught up in the idolatry that they were supposed to have been conditioned away from during that whole 40 years in the desert thing.
And yes, the Rome Statute is the working definition of genocide being used by the ICC/ICJ, and it's been in its current form for a good long while.
Those who claim this isn't genocide are among those who want and demand special, extra-legal standards for Israel, and their hypocrisy and self-adorned blinders are duly noted.
I've posted the Rome State's definition of 'genocide' in this thread AT LEAST 4 times now, so here goes (at least) time #5. even though it seems convenient for some members to ignore the law in this case.
>>""How the Court works
The crimes
The Court's founding treaty, called the Rome Statute, grants the ICC jurisdiction over four main crimes.First, the crime of genocide is characterised by the specific intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group by killing its members or by other means: causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Second, the ICC can prosecute crimes against humanity, which are serious violations committed as part of a large-scale attack against any civilian population. The 15 forms of crimes against humanity listed in the Rome Statute include offences such as murder, rape, imprisonment, enforced disappearances, enslavement – particularly of women and children, sexual slavery, torture, apartheid and deportation.
Third, war crimes which are grave breaches of the Geneva conventions in the context of armed conflict and include, for instance, the use of child soldiers; the killing or torture of persons such as civilians or prisoners of war; intentionally directing attacks against hospitals, historic monuments, or buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes.""<<
The Rome Statute:
I don't give a flying fuck if someone is wearing a Yamika or not or proclaims in their ancient religious delusions to be "God's chosen", if they're guilty of war crimes, theft, murder, systemic rape, genocide, and much more, then they need to (and WILL) pay the fucking piper...
*No, nepalnt, this hostility is not directed toward you. It's directed at the primadonnas who need their asses whipped and to be subjected to the bullshit they've been serving up on Palestinians for 76 years now, and then to be planted 6-ft. under in an anonymous mass grave, as they've done to others for so long now...
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GenghisKush
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idk. probably.
however i didn't imply israel has no agency. just the opposite: i suggested that israeli courts are capable of adjudicating cases involving accusations of war crimes, and that they may do so as a consequence of the ICC warrant. certainly israel has agency. the only ones i know of who suggest their preferred belligerent is without agency are hamasniks.
Palestinians have agency.Lmao
Is @Cannavore an islamophobe for suggesting that Palestinians have no agency?
GenghisKush
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LOL your guy is a doofus
Hezbollah's agency is about to vaporize, once Lebanon and Israel agree to ceasefire.
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