Wanna Ask The Old Farts A Question?

[HempKat]

CHEERS HEMPCAT I KNOW ALL OF ABOVE BUT THAT IS MY EC LEVEL OF TAP WATER THE PH IS 8.1 SHIT WATER I KNOW JUST NEED TO BALANCE IT OUT RIGHT WITHOUT OVER NUTE IN THEM OR UNDER WHAT WOULD YOU RECCOMMEND , NFT NUTRIENT ,FILM ,TECHNIUQE OVER AND OUT AMIGO AGAIN THANKS

Well for balancing out ph I recommend using the ph up and ph down products sold at most hydro stores.

 

[autofire]

Ok so i have been banging my head of the wall for a solid year burned up 10000 dollars and will not give up. I am ready to learn. I have done alot of reading and alot of trial and error. I have posted in my journal, but will cut and paste here.



I have been reading and learning on these forums for a while and now am deciding to post. I am on my 3rd indoor grow this is my first ever post so bare with me. My current grow is as follows.

Strain/ GHS the Church & Super lemon haze
Medium/ Soil, Pro mix,perlite,worm castings,dolimite lime
Nutes/ Fox farm grow big and tiger bloom
Grow room/ 5x10 100% panda film
Venting and fans/ Plenty
Co2/ 1300-1500 ppm always-co2 generator
Lights/ 3000 Watts HPS Flowering room 5x10
Lights/ cfl for clones and seedlings & 2x400W metal halide for Veg
Veg cycle / 24hrs for 4 weeks from clone
Flower / 12/12 for 9 weeks
Grow conditions 80-85 degr 40% humidity
Grow style Not sure I believe maybe see of green.
I do not. Super crop,Fim,Top,SCROG, or Lollipop
I just fill the room and prune of the dead leaves.

My problem is and quistions are, Should I Super crop,Fim,Top,SCROG, or Lollipop.

I cant seam to yield more than 2 oz per plant dry manicured bud, with a average of 1.5 I am hoping to maybe get some help from some experianced growers of these strains, and others.

Ok so update from that. I am about to abandon these strains for indoor growing, I originaly picked the church for outdoor but ended up being my indoor. I got caught up in hype of the super lemon haze and love the bud and the smoke is killer but the yield isnt shit. I will try this outdoor this year.
I am thinking of doing ak47 Ser seeds. For my next grow I would like some peaple with experiance to get this going with me and I will start a grow journal with pics start to finish.
I am open to all help I can get. Also The size of the grow is actualy been double what I originaly posted. I have 6000 watts for the flower room and 800 for veg.
I have all the equipment now it is time to make it work. Also any thoughts on running high numbers smaller pots more plants per meter.

I can do anything space is not the problem or security my only issue is to far in to abandon soil and go with hydro. I would like to move on to hydro in the next yr. or so but for now this is what I have. Help!!!

 

[Scottyboycx]

thanks for all your help hempkat much appreciated. Just one more thing, just read the molasses thread and it impressed me but in the whole thread i didnt read anything about it altering ph, so my question is do molasses alter ph?

Dont know if i can get them yet but the wife is out looking

 

[Gold123]

thanks for all your help hempkat much appreciated. Just one more thing, just read the molasses thread and it impressed me but in the whole thread i didnt read anything about it altering ph, so my question is do molasses alter ph?

Dont know if i can get them yet but the wife is out looking

I use it all the time and I never noticed it change ph

 

[Scottyboycx]

thankyou!

 

[autofire]

I guess I will try with some smaller ???
Any suggestions on my soil ?
Are my nutes in check or should I be using something different

 

[ColBatGuano]

Thanks Old Farts!

Thanks Old Farts!

Just wanted to pop in to give props and many thanks to all of the "old farts" who have provided so much great info on this (and other) threads. I'm on my second organic indoor grow, and I've had great results using much of the info and advice presented here. You also saved me lots of dough on my setup and design. $25 in bat shit and molasses vs. $50-$100 in fancy labels alone makes it all worthwhile. I got nearly a half-pound per plant off my first grow, and I'm hoping to do even better this time.

Thanks everyone! Happy growing!

 

[HempKat]

Ok so i have been banging my head of the wall for a solid year burned up 10000 dollars and will not give up. I am ready to learn. I have done alot of reading and alot of trial and error. I have posted in my journal, but will cut and paste here.



I have been reading and learning on these forums for a while and now am deciding to post. I am on my 3rd indoor grow this is my first ever post so bare with me. My current grow is as follows.

Strain/ GHS the Church & Super lemon haze
Medium/ Soil, Pro mix,perlite,worm castings,dolimite lime
Nutes/ Fox farm grow big and tiger bloom
Grow room/ 5x10 100% panda film
Venting and fans/ Plenty
Co2/ 1300-1500 ppm always-co2 generator
Lights/ 3000 Watts HPS Flowering room 5x10
Lights/ cfl for clones and seedlings & 2x400W metal halide for Veg
Veg cycle / 24hrs for 4 weeks from clone
Flower / 12/12 for 9 weeks
Grow conditions 80-85 degr 40% humidity
Grow style Not sure I believe maybe see of green.
I do not. Super crop,Fim,Top,SCROG, or Lollipop
I just fill the room and prune of the dead leaves.

My problem is and quistions are, Should I Super crop,Fim,Top,SCROG, or Lollipop.

I cant seam to yield more than 2 oz per plant dry manicured bud, with a average of 1.5 I am hoping to maybe get some help from some experianced growers of these strains, and others.

Ok so update from that. I am about to abandon these strains for indoor growing, I originaly picked the church for outdoor but ended up being my indoor. I got caught up in hype of the super lemon haze and love the bud and the smoke is killer but the yield isnt shit. I will try this outdoor this year.
I am thinking of doing ak47 Ser seeds. For my next grow I would like some peaple with experiance to get this going with me and I will start a grow journal with pics start to finish.
I am open to all help I can get. Also The size of the grow is actualy been double what I originaly posted. I have 6000 watts for the flower room and 800 for veg.
I have all the equipment now it is time to make it work. Also any thoughts on running high numbers smaller pots more plants per meter.

I can do anything space is not the problem or security my only issue is to far in to abandon soil and go with hydro. I would like to move on to hydro in the next yr. or so but for now this is what I have. Help!!!

Everything looks good as far as what you're doing, temps are a bit high but you're running CO2 which offsets that. You also seem to have realized one important factor which is that not all strains are good yielders for indoors. I don't know if I'd go for AK-47 if you're looking to improve your numbers. It is okay and all but I've heard it said it's not a great yielder. In my experience from growing it, it yielded okay but the buds were kind of on the fluffy side. It made it look big but the weight was low.

More plants per square foot could yield better but that's only to a point. Also unless you grow more but smaller plants, increasing the number of plants can get expensive in resources. You might try going with a true SOG where you only veg the clone for a few days after it establishes roots and then go to 12/12. In that type of SOG it's common to have as many as 9 plants per square foot even more in extreme cases but 9 is as many as I've done. Obviously at 9 per square foot you have to use a fairly small pot but you're shooting for a roughly 2 foot tall plant. I did one recently, used a 2 foot by 4 foot table and had 66 plants on the table under one 1000W light, the dried yield was the same as growing about 16 plants in a more traditional bush shape and size. The kicker was I used about 1/3rd as much soil and nutrient resources.

 

[HempKat]

thanks for all your help hempkat much appreciated. Just one more thing, just read the molasses thread and it impressed me but in the whole thread i didnt read anything about it altering ph, so my question is do molasses alter ph?

Dont know if i can get them yet but the wife is out looking

If it does at all, it's not by much. I've never noticed it changing things but I'm usually adding it at the same time as I add nutes which do change the ph.

 

[autofire]

Thanks for the reply, If I went with a true sog like you said, should I top these plants and strip out most lower bud sites keeping maybe the to 6?

Also if Ak47 is not a good strain what would you recomend. I am trying to stay in the more potent strains, I relize that it is always a difference in yield. But I am open to try new things at this point.

I also have a ? on bulbs what would be a good bulb at a fair price, also is there a huge difference in hps bulbs ?

Thanks in advance

 

[Green Smoke]

Hey Hemp, ever see anything like this before?

This still has 3 to 4 weeks left, I did a ph boo boo last month, but now it's got purple leaves. What in the world did I do to this plant. Folks in the micro forum say I overwatered it, but I don't agree. If I was overwatering, it would be dead by now. Any ideas?

 

[Gold123]

Hey Hemp, ever see anything like this before?

This still has 3 to 4 weeks left, I did a ph boo boo last month, but now it's got purple leaves. What in the world did I do to this plant. Folks in the micro forum say I overwatered it, but I don't agree. If I was overwatering, it would be dead by now. Any ideas?

Give more details what have you done since the boo boo and how long did you wait to fix it.

 

[HempKat]

Thanks for the reply, If I went with a true sog like you said, should I top these plants and strip out most lower bud sites keeping maybe the to 6?

Also if Ak47 is not a good strain what would you recomend. I am trying to stay in the more potent strains, I relize that it is always a difference in yield. But I am open to try new things at this point.

I also have a ? on bulbs what would be a good bulb at a fair price, also is there a huge difference in hps bulbs ?

Thanks in advance

I wouldn't try to turn what you have going already into a true SoG because they've had too much veg time. A true SoG you have plants alot closer to one another but they don't crowd one another out too badly because you flower them within a couple of days after the clones have developed roots and then been planted in the pots they'll be flowered in. These pots can be smaller to help fit 9 or even more plants per square foot. They don't need as much room for root developement because again you flower them almost right away and the plant doesn't have enough time to fill the pot with roots.

Plus not all strains are suitable for SoG you basically want a bunch of uniform plants that don't grow more then a couple of feet. You would probably want to also pick strains known for big colas because basically you're trying to grow one big cola on a stick.

As for strains well I only said what I said about AK-47 because me personally, I don't care for it. I used to like it years ago when it was new and everyone was talking about it. Then I didn't have any for a while and finally grew some and was very disappointed. I don't keep track of what strains are most potent, etc. Besides alot of what you hear is either hype, or someone's subjective opinion. I grow with one 1000W light and yield enough to hold me for a year. You're growing 3 times that amount. So I can only assume you're growing for others as well as yourself. If I were you I'd be talking to those other folks I'm growing for about what they would like.

On lights, there can be big differences between generic bulbs and some of these fancier brands you hear people saying they use. I don't think the differences are so big as to be worth the money some places charge. I mean sure if you use an enhanced bulb the has a little bit more of the color spectum you'll see a bit better growth but with a more generic bulb you'll still get good results. When I was last looking into bulbs I went to this place.

http://www.1000bulbs.com/

I actually have two 1000W one MH one HPS that I switch out as needed. For the MH I get this bulb

http://www.1000bulbs.com/1000-Watt-Metal-Halide-BT56/34194/

For the HPS I get this bulb

http://www.1000bulbs.com/1000-Watt-HPS/33976/

Now those are actually considered high end bulbs but the prices this place has makes them almost as cheap as generic. Definately cheaper then any hydro store or places like that.

 

[HempKat]

Hey Hemp, ever see anything like this before?

This still has 3 to 4 weeks left, I did a ph boo boo last month, but now it's got purple leaves. What in the world did I do to this plant. Folks in the micro forum say I overwatered it, but I don't agree. If I was overwatering, it would be dead by now. Any ideas?

It's hard to say, obviously your ph boo boo played a key roll and even though you might have caught it quickly in your mind, a ph problem can be devastating to flowering plants. See once you're fully into flower, the plant is focused on growing flowers, not leaves. That's why it's not a good idea to trim off leaves in flower. The plant will try to grow some back if you cut off too many but your harvest will suffer for the energy being diverted to grow new leaves. It's the same deal though if you have a ph imbalance and the nute lock out causes the plants to scavange the leaves for nutrients. This causes the leaves to discolor and when that happens they can photosynthesize too well any more and everything ends up looking kind of sickly.

I can't tell much from just a picture and knowing you had a ph boo boo. Like Gold asked. I'd need more specifics about the boo boo and how long was it that way before being corrected? I'd also like to hear what your watering/feeding habits were and why you feel the micro forum people are wrong about it being too much? How did you determine the plants need for water?

Ultimately I'd say what happened is you tried to push them too hard in flower thinking if you give them more nutrients you'll get bigger buds and you gave them too much resulting in a ph imbalanced that caused nute lock out. Looks like it was pretty bad and it took some time to correct it and by the time it was corrected the leaves were badly damaged limiting their ability to gather light. Thus causing them to look like they do now.

 

[SMKING IN MT]

TRIMING

TRIMING

FIRST TIME GROWING. IM IN THE 5TH WEEK OF FLOWERING AND I DIDNT TRIM THE PLANTS IS IT TO LATE? AND IF IT IS, WILL THIS MESS UP MY PRODUCT?

 

[jjfoo]

People say to run an oscillating fan to make plants stronger. I've always wondered how much they should be moving. I usually run a fan on low but it doesn't seem like it moves them too much. I just don't want to over do it. Any guidlines?

 

[HempKat]

FIRST TIME GROWING. IM IN THE 5TH WEEK OF FLOWERING AND I DIDNT TRIM THE PLANTS IS IT TO LATE? AND IF IT IS, WILL THIS MESS UP MY PRODUCT?

That's a tough call, I saw when in flowering if the growth appears healthy, leave it alone. I'd be worrying too much trimming might stress the flowering plant out. On the other hand, depending on the size of your plants, how many you have and how much light you have covering them you might have areas down loaw on the plants that never gets any light and so use up resources to keep alive but contribute almost nothing to the overall plant. People sometimes call this sucker growth and make the arguement if it's removed the resources it used will go to growth that contributes more to the plant.

It won't mess up your harvest to have this growth, the bud closer to the lights will still do better then the ones below, just not quite as much better.

It's really hard to advise without a picture though.

 

[HempKat]

People say to run an oscillating fan to make plants stronger. I've always wondered how much they should be moving. I usually run a fan on low but it doesn't seem like it moves them too much. I just don't want to over do it. Any guidlines?

Well what I shoot for is to see just a slight fluttering as the fan oscilates back and forth. That tells me that the air is definately being moved there and that's mostly what I'm running that fan for. Some people say do it so your plants will grow strong. Trust me, if they get what they need your plants are going to grow strong fan or no fan. For me the fan is more about temp/humidity control and just keeping everything circulating rather then sitting stagnent. By having the fan oscilatting back and forth the heat and humidity seem to be spread out more evenly rather then having hot spots. Also by keeping the air moving well you severely cut down on your chances of mold and mildew and things like that.

I have noticed that if a fan blows too hard and/or too long on a certain part of the plant then the leaves there will show signs of stress and damage after a while kind of dried and hard mostly around the edges. Leaves should feel supple and cool to the touch. That's why an oscilating fan is recommended so it's not blowing on the same spot continuously.

 

[attila76]

Hempcat,

My hat goes off to you, man. You have got some good karma coming your way... your advice is reasoned, cautious and insightful, hence my question that I can't seem to find an answer to. Perhaps you can help... http://www.icmag.com/ic/images/smilies/newsmilies/prettyplease.gifleaf curling up around the edges. Why? Could this be heat stress?
Different plants in different stages, with different nute levels are having a similar problem.
Co2 @ 13,000 steady in day only
Temp parameters:
Day Max: 85f
Day Min: 74f
Day Average 81f steady temps
Humidity: 45%-65%.
5th and 6th weeks into flower
Sunshine mix #4
5- 7 gallon containers
Water every 5 days, full soak till pours out the bottom
House and Garden Nutes

Is this a problem that I should address? How

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[nzl]

Can i use this product in 8days flowering for spider mite?

Can i use this product in 8days flowering for spider mite?

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=3111448#post3111448