Uhhh...just so you know... it is not a "mmj" thing...it is Legalization-- Nothing to do with Medical--
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Uhhh...just so you know... it is not a "mmj" thing...it is Legalization-- Nothing to do with Medical--
Nobody here has made a more valid point than Hydro sun
Can you dig this Krunch. Freedom just for the sake of freedom. why should anyone any where be able to tell you what you can and can not inhale, ingest, or inject.
Can you dig this Krunch. Freedom just for the sake of freedom. why should anyone any where be able to tell you what you can and can not inhale, ingest, or inject.
I couldn't agree more with your first paragraph.
Why do PEOPLE need more cannabis freedom? The answer is because any limitation is unacceptable.
Your question should be why do Californians need a Drs note for an herb AND why are Californians still subject to having their cannabis stolen by the government and then fined for having a plant that everyone has a natural right to posses.
As to why this year (2012) is fucked for CA, seems to be the fact that their are 5 competing proposals. It seems ASA and others have decided to divide and conquer. When the like wine was the only one out there support was really strong. The had to fuck that shit up ASAP, so step in ASA and 4 worse initiatives virtually ensuring that NONE of the 5 could gather enough support to get onto the ballot.
Fuck the ASA and all the other evil doers who side with the government and pigs.
AND ill be doing another victory thread when it doesn't pass....
here's the scene from casino. this is how I feel about you and your like minded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHcrhI7J54&feature=related
quote me lol
If you dont want to pay fucking taxes than dont. sell your shit uder the table and risk a tax evasion charge versus a felony drug charge that can land you in federal prison for a decade plus. Don't hold others back because you are a scared little bitch.
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Smokey I think not..The leaders of the top three initiatives have met and are joining forces to end prohibition. Some of us are willing to bend a little to keep our friends out of prison.
http://cannabiswarrior.com/2012/02/26/statement-of-unity-now-show-me-the-money/
Dear All,
This "Statement of Unity" is exactly what the funders, media, activists and our friends want to see happen. It is NOT what the US Attorneys, DEA, and local narcs want to see. Congratulations to all for your leadership in reaching this historic agreement.
Let freedom grow,
Steve Kubby
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Statement of Unity
Recognizing that to allow these oppressive prohibitionist laws to remain in place any longer would be a travesty of justice, we have come together in the spirit of unity to offer a challenge.
All three of the legalization initiatives trying to make it on to the ballot in November recognize that time is short.
It will take an expensive signature gathering campaign for any of these initiatives to qualify for the November ballot.
We invite any freedom loving American with some serious assets to take a look at all three of our initiatives.
Choose the one that you are willing to finance.
The other two initiatives will support the one you choose 100% to ensure a victory in 2012.
______________________________ _______________
Steve Collett, Treasurer, RMLW
______________________________ _______________
Bill Panzer, Proponent, RCPA
______________________________ _____________
Buddy Duzy,Treasurer, CCHHI
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takkada
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your so wrong , legislation of mmj is not for growers but smokers . the goverment will take over because they want all the money . youll be forced to stop growing and start buying your mmj . plus they are working on breading more cannabiods and less thc. they own the patent on marajuana
takkada
Member
just stop the illegal shit, stay within the gidelines of your recamendation. or stop growing and start buying. your wife if she is so important just stop the illegal shit .
takkada
Member
they own the patent the goverment . we will give your right to grow up to the athorities to distribution regulating who supplys the entire industry . you only smoke then this would be good, not for growers .
takkada they've owned that patent since the 60s I believe and I'm still growing, breeding, smoking, and injesting the best weed i've ever smoked. If you want to make the case that they will ultimately be able to keep all those genetics to themselves, I believe you are wrong. A look around ICMag at all my friends world wide, that are breeding new and improved varieties of cannabis, will show you IC breeders are years ahead of anything the Pharma and Goverment has going on. Some may be working with Pharma, but I think none with the goverment. If the goverment gets tough, as it has in Cali with the co-ops and collectives, they just force it back underground..it's still going on just not taxed. Peace..DD
you mean like alcohol, where there is no small wineries or micro breweries, or small vodka companies like titto's.
......oh wait there is thousands. There is healthy competition on every level of wine and alcohol from tiny single vinyard wines to gigantic corporations and everything in between.
If you want only 2 or three corporations to control it then leave it how it is now only medical. Then the government will continue to move towards making mmj patiens take a pill made by a chemical company with a government granted monopoly. In a legalized market you can just get a license and go for it just like anybody else. dont be scared of capitalism like a little bitch.
unless you change your mind then i will regard you as just an over paranoid moron meth head. this is coming from someone who is voting for Ron Paul and thinks the federal income tax should be abolished along with the drug war, the d.e.a., and the other 7 federal police forces. I am no fan of government, but they can not keep you from growing your own shit unless you are in prison, and the only way to prevent that for sure is to legalize.
Why the fuck should there be guidelines? who the fuck are you to tell me how much of what plant I can grow on my own land. you can go fuck your self.
Being fully illegal is the strongest form of regulation there is you simpleton. Supplies are already regulated through sales tax. I am doubting you made it past 8th grade.
the only thing that would change if cali legalized is you would not go to prison, you would pay taxes like dispensaries already do, and price would drop a little until new larger under ground shipping lines were established.
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Well said!!!!!!!
What the fudge is wrong with these people???? I still do not beleive that cannabis makes you stupid....but takkada is making me wonder????
So is the ASA involved in supporting the Regulate Like Wine Act, or are the sabotaging it with their competing initiative?
It is really hard for me to believe UNITY coming from the same group that sprouted up inferior initiative A, inferior initiative B, inferior initiative C, and inferior initiative D. The Wine Act was first and these other clowns came along and torpedoed the ship. How wonderful that two of the 4 saboteurs are going to grab a bucket and help bail out the water; perhaps not firing torpedoes would have been a smarter approach?
People on this thread talk about greed ALL the time. Often assigning GREED to WORKING CANNABIS FARMERS, yet very RARELY diagnose the GREED in ALL the POLITICAL figures in this snafu.
He is what cannabis brought to mind today. The "LEADERS" of this cannabis movement that fly around the country and wear suits are just as evil as the PIGS they sit across the debate from. Greed is all over both sides and more prevalent and exponentially more intense the further removed one is from the living plant.
Freedom is the only answer. The Regulate Like Wine Act is the closest to that ever put before voters; unification is a good idea so long as NOTHING is sacrificed getting the GREEDY on board (back on board).
hydrosun is right...you guys are jumping on KB for being "greedy" yet you are all so naive and have no clue what the ASA represents.....YOU WILL STILL BE ILLEGAL TO GROW, the only legalized people will be legit patients...who already have protections under prop 215. the ones who really want this legalization are the suits and corps that cant wait to get this 30 billion dollar economy into their investment portfolios...
its a tricky ass situation and im dissapointed in most of you for making it so personal.....on one side yes, we dont want legalization because it takes our main source of income and gives it to a select few to monopolize this industry. unless RMLW passes which would give fair competition to small growers, but every other proposol doesnt include this....its a monopoly POWER GRAB...exactly the reason the first legalization proposol didnt pass...if dick lee wasnt so greedy and didnt include wording that directly attacked growers, it MIGHT HAVE PASSED. if you want full out legalization in california, you have to have to support of the growers and those in the industry, and EVERY PROPOSAL EXCEPT RMLW HAS SHUT US OUT...and we arent stupid, why are we going to willingly vote on something that will put us into retirement, just so joeschmoe can smoke in peace(which hes already doing under 215)...its basically giving us NOTHING and giving the elite everything....
on the other side....i hate the drug war and prohibition so i do want to see some kind of end to drug raids and prosecution for growing..which is why i support RMLW and FREE MARKET ECONOMY. where growers can still vend their wares LEGALLY in a market that hasnt been crashed by big pharma......THEY DONT CARE ABOUT GROWERS, THEY WANT YOU TO STOP GROWING SO THEY CAN TAKE OVER YOUR BUSINESS. they will do this buy crashing the price so that its not even feasible to grow your own anymore,and they will do this by setting BS regulations like sq ft limits and plant counts...while those with milllions on lobbyist money can blow out 100 acres of greenhouses...so in the long run...voting for legalization, for a commercial growers like KB has ZERO BENEFITS...so stop taking shit so personal and blaming him behind the safety of your keyboard....it basically strips his income source and keeps him just as illegal as he is operating now, why would someone vote for something that has ZERO benefit to oneself... sorry but this is humanity, we cant all be concerned about someone hundreds of miles away its a rat race and humans are all about self preservation...stop taking it so personal.
its a tricky ass situation and im dissapointed in most of you for making it so personal.....on one side yes, we dont want legalization because it takes our main source of income and gives it to a select few to monopolize this industry. unless RMLW passes which would give fair competition to small growers, but every other proposol doesnt include this....its a monopoly POWER GRAB...exactly the reason the first legalization proposol didnt pass...if dick lee wasnt so greedy and didnt include wording that directly attacked growers, it MIGHT HAVE PASSED. if you want full out legalization in california, you have to have to support of the growers and those in the industry, and EVERY PROPOSAL EXCEPT RMLW HAS SHUT US OUT...and we arent stupid, why are we going to willingly vote on something that will put us into retirement, just so joeschmoe can smoke in peace(which hes already doing under 215)...its basically giving us NOTHING and giving the elite everything....
on the other side....i hate the drug war and prohibition so i do want to see some kind of end to drug raids and prosecution for growing..which is why i support RMLW and FREE MARKET ECONOMY. where growers can still vend their wares LEGALLY in a market that hasnt been crashed by big pharma......THEY DONT CARE ABOUT GROWERS, THEY WANT YOU TO STOP GROWING SO THEY CAN TAKE OVER YOUR BUSINESS. they will do this buy crashing the price so that its not even feasible to grow your own anymore,and they will do this by setting BS regulations like sq ft limits and plant counts...while those with milllions on lobbyist money can blow out 100 acres of greenhouses...so in the long run...voting for legalization, for a commercial growers like KB has ZERO BENEFITS...so stop taking shit so personal and blaming him behind the safety of your keyboard....it basically strips his income source and keeps him just as illegal as he is operating now, why would someone vote for something that has ZERO benefit to oneself... sorry but this is humanity, we cant all be concerned about someone hundreds of miles away its a rat race and humans are all about self preservation...stop taking it so personal.
It seems as though almost everybody wants to say its cool California has medical & the cannabis culture is laid back!
Well, the Government is cracking down closing dispensaries & it's time for people to get the FEDERAL government position changed , reschedule cannabis!
The Federal government is working towards rescheduling synthetic cannabis which is cool with me, more ammunition for us, ( what do you mean no medical use, Sativex) comes right from the plant & the government rescheduled that!
Well, the Government is cracking down closing dispensaries & it's time for people to get the FEDERAL government position changed , reschedule cannabis!
The Federal government is working towards rescheduling synthetic cannabis which is cool with me, more ammunition for us, ( what do you mean no medical use, Sativex) comes right from the plant & the government rescheduled that!
addressing first part. KB is against doing the right thing. does not matter if it is greed or any other reason. They are all equally stupid. There is no argument that can be made to justify voting no on a legalization bill.
addressing the second part. Fuck KB. He is fucking dumber than a bag of shit. There is a lot of benefit for him to vote yes. He could literally make a California corporation himself with a little paperwork and then he is protected from federal law a little more than if he was operating in an illegal mmj market. Having your own incorporated business has it's benefits. He could also file the corporation for bankruptcy if he fails do to unexpected circumstances vs his own personal credit. He can also legally invest profits. The possibility of a money laundering charge goes away. If you ever want to make real money in this world than you have to invest. You have to see the big picture. Your money has to work for you. Poor people stay poor because they don't invest.
If you want to keep big pharma out then you have to take it out of their realm. Take it to the recreational realm to protect the medical realm. Then if it is anything like alcohol, then all is very well. Even my friends very small wine store did 4 million last year. The benefit to a legal market is huge.
Bottom line is if the most powerful government in the world can not control it even when it is 100 percent federally illegal what the hell makes anyone think one corporation is going to be able to control what you do on your land?
Like I said voting no is for paranoid idiots.
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I really don't understand why you EVEN care what i stand for or HOW i vote....
like "I" can even make a difference? its really odd to me.....
OR, is it ALL the people i shuttled to the polls last year, to vote NO on the last Proposition that failed?
no matter what you say or what insults or whatever you try to prove, ill still vote the same....
BTW, I am CEO of three Corporations, two are collectives. YOU?
takkada
Member
you are why the death penalty is around, stupid people are ruining this country . screw you faciest.
god damn your dumb. you are dumber than anyone in office that is for sure. does not even matter what party. do you not want freedom to do as you please?
You make think you have it now because you are not in jail....... yet.
also if you are going to call me a fascist, the guy advocating for you to have MORE freedom, then at least spell it right dip shit.
