Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[SCF]

My faith is already slipping.

I took shelter in my community of good hearted potheads.

I realized it isn't necessarily such a welcoming bunch anymore.

If I was more narrowly minded, and perhaps rabidly driven I would have felt at home again.

I'm not a victim.

I'm a crime in and of myself.

If I wouldn't have said anything I could have just seen all the smiling Californian faces lining up at the polls and worried about sheep to the slaughter.

Instead I opened my mouth. Now I worry about ever doing it again.

Always speak your mind.... And i thank you greatly.

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[rives]

If I wouldn't have said anything I could have just seen all the smiling Californian faces lining up at the polls and worried about sheep to the slaughter.

Instead I opened my mouth. Now I worry about ever doing it again.

I certainly understand being leery of politicians and big businesses not-so-tender intentions. I think that I have researched this fully enough to be confident that we are getting more than we are giving. To be able to enjoy all of the things that 19 opens up is far more than I ever expected in my lifetime.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

My faith is already slipping.

I took shelter in my community of good hearted potheads.

I realized it isn't necessarily such a welcoming bunch anymore.

If I was more narrowly minded, and perhaps rabidly driven I would have felt at home again.

I'm not a victim.

I'm a crime in and of myself.

If I wouldn't have said anything I could have just seen all the smiling Californian faces lining up at the polls and worried about sheep to the slaughter.

Instead I opened my mouth. Now I worry about ever doing it again.

Except your views is that people should continue to be arrested and charged with posession, distribution and cultivation simply because it is not a perfect version of legalization...is it really any suprise why people would be a bit aggitated with you?

If you want to denounce 19 and have everyone on your side, maybe youd be better suited on the law enforcement forums. It has been my dream since I first puffed a joint that marijuana be legalized and frankly im disgusted at any marijuana smoker who would vote to keep marijuana illegal and marijuana users in jail...

 

[kmk420kali]

My faith is already slipping.

I took shelter in my community of good hearted potheads.

I realized it isn't necessarily such a welcoming bunch anymore.

If I was more narrowly minded, and perhaps rabidly driven I would have felt at home again.

I'm not a victim.

I'm a crime in and of myself.

If I wouldn't have said anything I could have just seen all the smiling Californian faces lining up at the polls and worried about sheep to the slaughter.

Instead I opened my mouth. Now I worry about ever doing it again.

C'mon dude...Really???
Because you are in a very controversial subject, and you find that some are willing to fight to the end, to do THE ONLY FUCKING THING AVAILABLE to advance a Cause we all love...that we are not "Welcoming"??
Dude, once you leave these Prop 19 Threads, it is the same ppl, and the same place it has been!! Don't push as hard as you have, then get all thin skinned all of a sudden!!

 

[mean mr.mustard]

My frustration stemmed from repetition of lies and assumptions of proof.

I ain't cryin.

I am however washing my hands of this thread.

I can't filter the crap from the gold anymore.

Most of you, well some of you anyway, have been very accomodating.

Thank you.

However, I'm not sure things are as they were.

I'm going to consult the bong.

PS I wasn't even pushing hard. That was me refusing to let people rest on nonexistent laurels. Does the emporer wear no clothes? We will see.

PPS IF there is ever a hemp bill I will be back

 

[vta]

PPS IF there is ever a hemp bill I will be back

(c) Laws to authorize the production of hemp or non-active cannabis for horticultural and industrial purposes.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Except your views is that people should continue to be arrested and charged with posession, distribution and cultivation simply because it is not a perfect version of legalization...is it really any suprise why people would be a bit aggitated with you?

If you want to denounce 19 and have everyone on your side, maybe youd be better suited on the law enforcement forums. It has been my dream since I first puffed a joint that marijuana be legalized and frankly im disgusted at any marijuana smoker who would vote to keep marijuana illegal and marijuana users in jail...

Damn.

If I remember correctly the first post I made in this thread was a question as to why there isn't any retroactive power to FREE PRISONERS.

If my memory isn't that fucked, I'm pretty sure everyone threw them under the bus and said "Why would we do that? Nobody would vote for that bill!"

I'm still on my way out the door... I just couldn't let that pointed point slide.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

My frustration stemmed from repetition of lies and assumptions of proof.

However, I'm not sure things are as they were.

I'm going to consult the bong.

PS I wasn't even pushing hard. That was me refusing to let people rest on nonexistent laurels. Does the emporer wear no clothes? We will see.

PPS IF there is ever a hemp bill I will be back

You do realize proposition 19 allows the cultivation and production of hemp and hemp products in california, right?

 

[Mr Celsius]

A friend brought up a good point this evening...

I asked him what he thought of Prop 19 (being a fellow grower), he said: "Eh, doesn't really matter either way." Then I asked him what he thought would happen to the northern part of California... he began laughing at me and said it would turn into the wild west. I was confused by this. So I asked him what he meant. He went on to tell me that the most likely thing to happen will be the mexican cartels will actually up their production and invasion of national forest lands.

It dawned on me, like a ray of light. People had kept telling me that this would stop mexican cartels... well in reality it seems it will help them. Imagine a state where the law enforcement is diminished because something you want to grow is legal. Imagine not worrying about your crops being busted or having competition from locals. Last I checked, it seems a lot easier to smuggle something from California to the rest of the country, then from Mexico.

This could all be wrong, but I'm a logical person, INTJ (if you know what that means) and this makes sense to me.

 

[Backspace]

Everyone has an agenda. As these many posts have proven.

So simply vote for your personal agenda. Mine...

To vote yes on 19! Personal smoking and growing is what this is about.

The Feds will continue to be Feds. No free ride for cartel growers just a reduced market.

 

[Runner]

Imagine a state where the law enforcement is diminished because something you want to grow is legal. Imagine not worrying about your crops being busted or having competition from locals. Last I checked, it seems a lot easier to smuggle something from California to the rest of the country, then from Mexico.

Being a logical person surely you understand that once pot become legal it would be no different than tobacco or alcohol in market terms. There would be legal competition everywhere. Which means cartels will loose California market. That is a fact. Whether they will take advantage of legalization and establish growing base in Cali is a good question, but still just a question. Cartels need big illegal grow plantations and lawless Mexico seems to be a better deal for such a purpose than Cali.

 

[CaptainTrips]

Being a logical person surely you understand that once pot become legal it would be no different than tobacco or alcohol in market terms. There would be legal competition everywhere. Which means cartels will loose California market. That is a fact. Whether they will take advantage of legalization and establish growing base in Cali is a good question, but still just a question. Cartels need big illegal grow plantations and lawless Mexico seems to be a better deal for such a purpose than Cali.

Cartels won't likely lose California, because one state "legalizing" is unlikely to change the price too much. The only exception would be is if Tom Ammianos bill actually made it into law and setup a state wide legal market, which I think is unlikely at this point. Especially when you consider Meg Whitman is likely to be the next governor.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

A friend brought up a good point this evening...

I asked him what he thought of Prop 19 (being a fellow grower), he said: "Eh, doesn't really matter either way." Then I asked him what he thought would happen to the northern part of California... he began laughing at me and said it would turn into the wild west. I was confused by this. So I asked him what he meant. He went on to tell me that the most likely thing to happen will be the mexican cartels will actually up their production and invasion of national forest lands.

It dawned on me, like a ray of light. People had kept telling me that this would stop mexican cartels... well in reality it seems it will help them. Imagine a state where the law enforcement is diminished because something you want to grow is legal. Imagine not worrying about your crops being busted or having competition from locals. Last I checked, it seems a lot easier to smuggle something from California to the rest of the country, then from Mexico.

This could all be wrong, but I'm a logical person, INTJ (if you know what that means) and this makes sense to me.

Actually that's me growing in national parks. I just leave a few cans of beans and tortillas around the campsite, a Santa Maria candle and rosaries and they always blame the messikans....

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

If Prop 19 does pass.......and some Californian people are sitting in prison for growing in a 25 sq ft area or less.....I wonder if they will actually get an early release....?.....or even a pardon?

....that would make sense to me, since what they did would no longer be illegal....

*they should not have been imprisoned in the first place morally speaking....

 

[Runner]

Cartels won't likely lose California, because one state "legalizing" is unlikely to change the price too much.

It will most definately significantly deflate the price in that state, but even if it won't the point is selling pot will become legal business. And that's the reason illegal market would collapse. Prohibition is the only thing keeping it afloat.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Damn.

If I remember correctly the first post I made in this thread was a question as to why there isn't any retroactive power to FREE PRISONERS.

If my memory isn't that fucked, I'm pretty sure everyone threw them under the bus and said "Why would we do that? Nobody would vote for that bill!"

I'm still on my way out the door... I just couldn't let that pointed point slide.

And I told you that we have to legalize mj before we could attempt to release prisoners for Mj charges. But to vote to keep arresting people because 19 doesn't call for the release of mj prisoners is ludacris....

 

[Devilboy]

been reading everything every one has pointed out and i see some valid points made by the yes people..but those of you who say every no voter has some secret agenda behind there vote that is just bullshit .like i stated before my no vote is on a moral point of the law criminalizing passing a joint for those 18-20 year olds ..i haven't seen anything in any of the new law that makes this not a crime for them yes people can carry a oz on them but where dose it state that is for those under 21 if it dose please post that .regardless of what this bills real intentions are{making mr lee rich}i would be a big time yes person if they had not made passing a joint a criminal offense in fact i was until i read that part of the law so maybe sme of us just aren't as fucking GREEDY as you and want freedom and legalization not some bullshit that can destroy a young persons life and when i say young person i mean some one who is old enough to die fighting for our freedoms yet you all are ok with putting them in jail for passing a joint as long as u can now sell weed ..i for one will have to stand on the moral ground here and hold the mirror up for you so when you point that finger screaming greedy pot dealer its pointed at the right person ...ps ya i know my grammar is terrible so no need to point it out hahahaha

 

[dagnabit]

You think because you got 2000 post on and internet message board that somehow you are smarter and are in a position to judge someone else? I bet you love Obama, We are so blessed to be bestowed with his wisdom. Shit I better go pray how lucky I am right now to have people like you and obama to share your wisdom. We are all so lucky. Please give me some more wisdom you lame fucker.lol

having a higher post count means you are less likely to make idiot off topic obama posts. it means you understand the nuance and rhythms of the board.
a good join date means you understand the spirit of the board as well.

 

[BigBudBill]

been reading everything every one has pointed out and i see some valid points made by the yes people..but those of you who say every no voter has some secret agenda behind there vote that is just bullshit .like i stated before my no vote is on a moral point of the law criminalizing passing a joint for those 18-20 year olds ..i haven't seen anything in any of the new law that makes this not a crime for them yes people can carry a oz on them but where dose it state that is for those under 21 if it dose please post that .regardless of what this bills real intentions are{making mr lee rich}i would be a big time yes person if they had not made passing a joint a criminal offense in fact i was until i read that part of the law so maybe sme of us just aren't as fucking GREEDY as you and want freedom and legalization not some bullshit that can destroy a young persons life and when i say young person i mean some one who is old enough to die fighting for our freedoms yet you all are ok with putting them in jail for passing a joint as long as u can now sell weed ..i for one will have to stand on the moral ground here and hold the mirror up for you so when you point that finger screaming greedy pot dealer its pointed at the right person ...ps ya i know my grammar is terrible so no need to point it out hahahaha

No...let's throw all smokers under the bus so 18-20 year olds can smoke legally...oh wait...it's only an infraction as of January 1,2011. No jail. Look into the new Leno SB Arnold just signed into law.

 

[BigBudBill]

If Prop 19 does pass.......and some Californian people are sitting in prison for growing in a 25 sq ft area or less.....I wonder if they will actually get an early release....?.....or even a pardon?

....that would make sense to me, since what they did would no longer be illegal....

*they should not have been imprisoned in the first place morally speaking....

I read an interview(I cant remember the source or the person being interview and am trying to locate the article again) where a lawyer said that any case that someone is in prison for can go in front of a judge and petition for release as the crime for the original sentence is no longer a crime. This was an article discussing 19 and the effects of it passing.