Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[rives]

sorry thought we were discussing our opinions wasn't aware it was a fukin grammar lesson MY BAD .and my friend i think its you who cant see past the fog in his eyes that is blinding him from seeing what is down the road .i will put it like this you can put a beautiful paint job on a broke down piece of shit non running car and guess what you have a shinny piece of shit car..but hell im sure some people would buy into it cause they are not able to see past the surface as to what it really is ...good luck with that YES ON 19

Sorry, I like to read these threads pretty closely and yours makes me dizzy. Somehow, I don't think that the most liberal marijuana law in the world is all that egregious of a place to start.

 

[Hammerhead]

So I guess T hill,Sam,Rez,Gypsy,DG,Me, we just cant see past the surface. Your insinuation just makes you look like a Tard.

 

[SCF]

sorry thought we were discussing our opinions wasn't aware it was a fukin grammar lesson MY BAD .and my friend i think its you who cant see past the fog in his eyes that is blinding him from seeing what is down the road .i will put it like this you can put a beautiful paint job on a broke down piece of shit non running car and guess what you have a shinny piece of shit car..but hell im sure some people would buy into it cause they are not able to see past the surface as to what it really is ...good luck with that NO ON 19

Love your join date. And the facts you bring to the board?!



Since a fully loaded BMW will put me into bankruptcy. I will settle for the Toyota Camry. It well at least keep running.

 

[vta]

another one.....



IT'S TIME TO CALL OFF WAR ON DRUGS, FORMER NARCOTICS AGENT SAYS

RUSS JONES has spent nearly half of his 64 years dealing with drugs.

Of his 10 years with the San Jose Police Department, six were in the narcotics division. He was part of a Drug Enforcement Agency task force. He did intelligence work in Central America for the U.S. State Department and research in China and the Soviet Union for the Office of International Criminal Justice.

Name a controlled substance, and he can tell you how it is made, where it is marketed and what it costs on the street. He can tell you something else: America's war on drugs is an unmitigated failure that should be terminated.

"The U.S. over the last four decades has spent $1 trillion of our tax dollars, made 38 million nonviolent drug arrests and quadrupled our prison population," he said. "And the rate of addiction today, 1.3 percent, is the same as it was in 1970, when we started."

Jones spoke to the Martinez Rotary Club last week on behalf of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, a volunteer organization of 15,000 former judges, prosecutors, federal agents and police officers who support the end of drug prohibition.

He wasn't specifically promoting Proposition 19, which would legalize marijuana in the state, but he welcomes any advancement toward the larger goal of legalizing and regulating all controlled substances.

Jones said he began to question the war on drugs while working undercover in setting up major drug busts. He still has copies of the front-page headlines that appeared in the newspapers.

"The district attorney would announce that a major blow had been dealt to the drug network," Jones said. "Then what would follow is some new drug dealer would take the old dealer's place."

This same pattern was repeated so often -- a heralded drug bust followed by the arrival of a new dealer -- that narcotics officers winced whenever the district attorney claimed a "victory" over drugs.

"When I arrested a rapist or a robber, the community was safer," Jones said. "When I arrested a drug dealer, all I did was create a job opening."

He said one of the unintended consequences of shutting down local dealers was to create a void into which moved much larger, better-organized operations.

Unintended consequences are a product of the war on drugs. When amphetamines were outlawed, Jones said, criminals learned to cook up methamphetamines, which are far more potent. Because cocaine is water soluble, requiring special packaging that is difficult to get past authorities, dealers invented the derivative crack in smaller, easier-to-hide "rocks." Those smaller, cheaper portions made it affordable in poor communities.

Jones reminds anyone who will listen that you can be against drugs and still favor reform. He wants addicts to receive professional treatment and education, recognizing abuse as a health concern, not a legal one.

"Doctors should be allowed to prescribe drugs to addicts, who can take their prescription to a clinic where they can get a pharmaceutical-grade dose administered by a health clinician. When habitual users start going to clinics, you put violent drug dealers out of business, and addicts don't commit crimes to support their habit."

He cited as an example clinics in Switzerland, where heroin is dispensed freely. Deaths by overdose have been reduced by 50 percent, drug crimes by 60 percent.

To those who doubt the effectiveness of education, he points to cigarette smoking. "With education," he said, "we reduced the use of tobacco in this country from 42 percent to 17 percent, and we did that without firing one shot or kicking in any doors."

With such powerful logic, why does drug regulation keep meeting resistance? For some people, Jones says, it's a moral and ideological issue. For others, the reason is simpler: money.

He said the DEA, with a $2.6 billion annual budget and nearly 11,000 employees, would be out of work without illegal drugs.

Local law enforcement agencies would be denied federal funds.

Privately operated prisons, whose revenues are based on occupancy, would wind up with empty beds.

"A lot of people have their fingers in the bowl of money tied up in the drug war complex," he said.

The arguments might be dismissed if the speaker had wandered in from a college campus with a new book to promote and a string of letters behind his name.

But this is a guy who during six years in the major violator unit averaged one narcotics arrest per week. He understands the damage drugs can do.

He thinks the damage done by the war on drugs has been far worse.

 

[Big D]

they can't and will not go after prop 215 when this bill {prop19} fails that is just a scare tactic if people wait until 2012 we will have a bill on the table that will be so much better then this ..yes i will give Mr Lee credit for getting a bill on the ballot but he knows as well as any1 with half a mind if he relay gave a damm about the legalization of MJ this would not be the bill that was presented if this bill is to pass i can promise that it will be tied up in courts for a long time because it conflicts with the new law and other laws that are being worked on to be in place b4 the vote on 19 by the time 19 comes out of the the other side {the law will be serverly modified } we could have had a better one on the books i dont have all the anwsers on what the law should be but i know this isnt it NO ON 19 we have come to far fought to hard to lay down and be feed some bullshit

you're wrong! This is not burger king you can't have it anyway you want it. There are not going to tailor a bill specifically for you. There has never been a bill in history that didn't have loop holes. You plug those along the way after it passes. Everyone has to make concessions in the political world to get what they want.... this IS America and everyone here should know how it works. If 19 doesn't pass it will be a set back way farther than 2012. Because all people are going to hear is California doesn't want legal marijuana! We are talking about weed here, not exactly on the for front of things that matter to most. This is the chance!

and

the BIG boys are coming after the money if its not through 19 it WILL BE through MMJ..... believe that! Money talks! This is America. You guys got them on the scent. They didn't buy land for nothing.

 

[DimeBag65]

such a great read... i had to stop in and thank you for the time you put in finding and posting great articles like this VTA, thank you kindly!

 

[vta]

 

[Big D]

Everyone is concerned with loop holes....
loop holes work both ways. An example? the 5x5 grow area... it doesn't say it has to be a horizontal grow, it can be vertical... 4 times as many plants in the same 5x5 space... right? There's a loop hole growers can use!

 

[vta]

you're wrong! This is not burger king you can't have it anyway you want it.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

A drop in the bucket for Walmart, but a huge chunk out of that woman who can't afford forty cents on her electric bill for her children.
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^^^^^that sounds like some shit Glenn Beck would say before fake crying. good job

now let's get back to reality : if she can't afford 40 cents I doubt she's fucking with commercial cultivation.....

 

[rives]

the BIG boys are coming after the money if its not through 19 it WILL BE through MMJ..... believe that! Money talks! This is America. You guys got them on the scent. They didn't buy land for nothing.

That was just mean!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I fucking love wasting an hour of my life to make a point about 19 only to have them not respond to it..,, why the fuck do I even bother??? All I get in return is insane Glenn beck-esque remarks from some mustard prick

 

[Big D]

They got me where I can't sleep so I am liable to say some crazy shit!
I got to log off and get some sleep!

BTW I will be in Cali next week to rally the troops. And do some face to face debates Get at me y'all!

 

[SCF]

They got me where I can't sleep so I am liable to say some crazy shit!
I got to log off and get some sleep!

BTW I will be in Cali next week to rally the troops. And do some face to face debates Get at me y'all!

oh really now? Good night! Same here. gotta get some sleep.

 

[rives]

I fucking love wasting an hour of my life to make a point about 19 only to have them not respond to it..,, why the fuck do I even bother??? All I get in return is insane Glenn beck-esque remarks from some mustard prick

I think you intimidated the shit out of them with your new persona.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

they can't and will not go after prop 215 when this bill {prop19} fails that is just a scare tactic if people wait until 2012 we will have a bill on the table that will be so much better then this ..yes i will give Mr Lee credit for getting a bill on the ballot but he knows as well as any1 with half a mind if he relay gave a damm about the legalization of MJ this would not be the bill that was presented if this bill is to pass i can promise that it will be tied up in courts for a long time because it conflicts with the new law and other laws that are being worked on to be in place b4 the vote on 19 by the time 19 comes out of the the other side {the law will be serverly modified } we could have had a better one on the books i dont have all the anwsers on what the law should be but i know this isnt it NO ON 19 we have come to far fought to hard to lay down and be feed some bullshit

1. where is this 2012 bill?
2. What makes you think it has a chance of passing?
3. Who's funding it?
4. If 19 fails and cooley becomes AG you can bet sure as shit mmj will be his first target. That's not a scare tactic. That's straight from cooleys mouth. He wants to arrest every grower, seller and user. Regardless of a doc reccomendation.

PS: your grammer is fucking horrible.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

It's not that I like over priced pot. it is that I like competition. even better is legal friendly competition. It allows for mergers, innovation, advertising, ability to join the BBB (Better Business Bureau), ability to call the police if you get robbed, ability to take people to court if they break contract so you can get what is yours without having to chose between loss or violence basically. I also like Being able to purchase insurance for the business, and get loans. being able to have a web page with a picture of your face is nice too.

the list can go on.

PS. I know what yall mean about smoking some hash before sleeping. i have so much energy naturally that if I dont smoke that I cant sleep. Until I started smoking it always took me like 2 hours to fall asleep, even as a child. The cure is lots of exercise and/or lots of smoking herb and/or hash

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

So I guess T hill,Sam,Rez,Gypsy,DG,Me, we just cant see past the surface. Your insinuation just makes you look like a Tard.

Hmmmm I wonder how come all the pro people have been here years with a fucking load of experience and reputation???

And all the antis have no rep or time under their belt??? What gives???

sorry thought we were discussing our opinions wasn't aware it was a fukin grammar lesson MY BAD .and my friend i think its you who cant see past the fog in his eyes that is blinding him from seeing what is down the road .i will put it like this you can put a beautiful paint job on a broke down piece of shit non running car and guess what you have a shinny piece of shit car..but hell im sure some people would buy into it cause they are not able to see past the surface as to what it really is ...good luck with that NO ON 19

If were making analogies here's mine::::

waiting for 2012 is like meeting some bitch on craigslist who says she looks like beyonce. then when you meet her you find out she's a pre-op tranny that looks more like some bitch from flavor of love with alot more facial hair

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

XxX

 

[Ca$h]

I bet ripping will get bigger and bigger in you guys' state if everyone has a 5 x 5 lol