Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[mean mr.mustard]

Because Amsterdam still has the backdoor policy on coffeeshops purchasing what they sell.

 

[kmk420kali]

Smarter than what??

Listen to what your saying.

So...you think the Anti's need more ammo? Yeah...lets legalize pot and regulate it...oh and lets make it OK to smoke with kids under 14. The people will vote for that for sure.

I hear the No on 19 radio spot now..."Not only will this dangerous drug be legal...the dope heads are also repealing law that criminalizes smoking with kids under 14. That's right...not only do they want their pot and smoke it too...they want to smoke with your 13 year old kid."

Why do people think that if a restrictive prop is questionable on passing....that an all out free for all would be voted in no problem...or at all???

19 isn't about smoking pot with kids. Get real!

Exactly--

 

[vta]

First off, people call it legalizing when its not. Its regulating and taxing. Secondly, yes, if you are legalizing something, that should include adjusting harsh sentences to more appropriate ones.

No...its is legalization....in EVERY sense of the word.

If it does not fit 'your' definition...then that is YOUR problem.

It will be LEGAL to possess cannabis
It will be LEGAL to cultivate cannabis
It will be LEGAL to store your cannabis
It will be LEGAL to use and possess HASH
It will be LEGAL to purchase cannabis


Sounds like legalization to me. As a matter of fact smart guy, show me a more liberal drug policy in ANY free modern society...You can't!

 

[MF Grimm]

Because Amsterdam still has the backdoor policy on coffeeshops purchasing what they sell.

:this

 

[kmk420kali]

Because Amsterdam still has the backdoor policy on coffeeshops purchasing what they sell.

Sigh....

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Feeling as tired as I am kmk420kali?

 

[OCkushKing]

Then why does top notch herb in Amsterdam cost 13-18 euros per gram? To say prices for the best of the best will plummet to $3 per gram is BEYOND ridiculous. How many people would bother growing if a pound cost $1000 at a retail level? Nobody. Demand is going to skyrocket coupled with the liscensing, cost of production, excise, state and federal tax I hardly see price dropping more than 10-20%. Id imagine the farthest we'd see prices drop is $10-13 a gram for high quality and $5-7 a gram for commercial. Plenty of room for people to make a comfortable living without worrying about a bunch of LEO thugs kicking your doors in at the crack of dawn with assault rifles aimed at your face.

LOL price drop of 10 to 13 a gram would put Top shelf at 7-12 bucks a gram 5-7 for commercial! Thats good news for the consumer!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Because Amsterdam still has the backdoor policy on coffeeshops purchasing what they sell.

Just like all wine cost $5 a box.

Just like all beer cost $11 a case.

Just like all cigars cost $3 a pack of swishers.

Just like all cars cost $13,000 msrp.

Just like all shoes cost $9.99 a pair.


There will always be cheap shit and a market for it. Just like there will always be craft markets with people willing to pay a higher price for the best they can get....

 

[SCF]

Phillip Morris can steer plenty of people.

They love to "donate" to campaigns too.

Now imagine if they actually were producing marijuana. What type of candidate would they be pursuing donating too? And how could this effect out WHOLE POLITICAL FUTURE? This could be the biggest change we ever seen in a century plus!

 

[mean mr.mustard]

It isn't about what we want it's what we'll tolerate.

 

[OCkushKing]

a 1k conventional grow in a 5x5 area with top strains would earn an average grower who can pull .5 gpw a solid 3500 per grow before expenses. Thats if he sold his harvest by the gram ofcoarse, now if he wanted to sell wholesale he could take home 2,000, after expenses 1000 per harvest! Thats not bad, 500 bucks a month per 1k! i can quit my job at radio shack and become a full time grower! Wait, no ill make 4X that at McDonnells at 40hrs per week!

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

no offense, but that article is only speculation written by people who dont know what they are talking about; not even a little bit.

The weed market in california will become just like the fine cigar, wine, and spirits market.

You can buy a 50 cent swisher or you can spend over a hundred dollars easy on a fine cigar.

You can buy a bottle of 2 buck chuck or you can buy 1,200 dollar bottle of 1980's Chateau De Chem.

You can buy a cheap dollar shot of Remy Martin VSOP, or you can buy a shot of Louis XIII.

The difference between all these products is QUALITY. They are all legal, and come from all around the world, and people make tons of cash off of the cheap and/or expensive markets.

ITS' CAPITALISM BABY!!! a beautiful thing. The best part about it is PHILLIP MORRIS WILL NOT BE TAKING A PART AT ALL!!!!!!!! THEY WONT RISK THERE COMPANY BREAKING FEDERAL LAW!!!!!!! and if they do take part which is highly unlikely, then they have plenty of CASH and INFLUENCE to defend their actions IN THE SUPREME COURT, and when they win there will be a precedent set, which would force federal legalization, which would help Americans start ending the drug war. SEE. Prop 19 is good. If it passes WE WIN NO MATTER WHAT.

At the same time cali will draw all the pot tourism in the USA and Canada, and many other places, because the weather is WAY better than Amsterdam. Also The Dutch might exclude tourist from being able to take part in the coffee shop scene.

So if it passes we can do this.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=143213

^LIKE I SAID! CAPITALISM RULES STILL!! POWER TO THE CONSUMER.

 

[Hammerhead]

That's not even worth a discussion come on people lets be reasonable here we dont condone give children drugs. If you think smoking with a child is OK u have serious issues I sure hope u dont live near me.

 

[SCF]

a 1k conventional grow in a 5x5 area with top strains would earn an average grower who can pull .5 gpw a solid 3500 per grow before expenses. Thats if he sold his harvest by the gram ofcoarse, now if he wanted to sell wholesale he could take home 2,000, after expenses 1000 per harvest! Thats not bad, 500 bucks a month per 1k! i can quit my job at radio shack and become a full time grower! Wait, no ill make 4X that at McDonnells at 40hrs per week!

i dont know where you get your numbers, but from a 5x5 area outdoors. i can easly get 10 plus pounds. if done right.


besides, if you are a caregiver growing for medical patients. you are entitled to get back your expenses in growing. So nothing changes there. If thats what you are doing. If you are not medical, and a caregiver, then you're just looking to face years of prison.

 

[OCkushKing]

i dont know where you get your numbers, but from a 5x5 area outdoors. i can easly get 10 plus pounds. if done right.

Sure if done right, with the right genetics! not the ones i like to smoke, and besides, thats once a year!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

a 1k conventional grow in a 5x5 area with top strains would earn an average grower who can pull .5 gpw a solid 3500 per grow before expenses. Thats if he sold his harvest by the gram ofcoarse, now if he wanted to sell wholesale he could take home 2,000, after expenses 1000 per harvest! Thats not bad, 500 bucks a month per 1k! i can quit my job at radio shack and become a full time grower! Wait, no ill make 4X that at McDonnells at 40hrs per week!

Then setup 100 lights and quit your shitty job....

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Well than you anti19s won't need to worry about big business if there's no money in it....

 

[Frozenguy]

Smarter than what??

Listen to what your saying.

So...you think the Anti's need more ammo? Yeah...lets legalize pot and regulate it...oh and lets make it OK to smoke with kids under 14. The people will vote for that for sure.

I hear the No on 19 radio spot now..."Not only will this dangerous drug be legal...the dope heads are also repealing law that criminalizes smoking with kids under 14. That's right...not only do they want their pot and smoke it too...they want to smoke with your 13 year old kid."

Why do people think that if a restrictive prop is questionable on passing....that an all out free for all would be voted in no problem...or at all???

19 isn't about smoking pot with kids. Get real!

I never said they should be able to.

You guys have a serious reading comprehension problem or you're ignoring key things I've said.

I have clearly stated many times I think scum like that need to be punished, just not with seven years in prison. I dont think anyone should be imprisoned for seven years when no one was hurt or anything.. But of coarse they deserve punishment.

Man its so annoying when my words go unread and some of you pick and choose things I've said completely ignoring other things.

Who said prop19 was about smoking with kids? Its about regulating and taxing cannabis (a plant mind you, a freaking plant to be regulated and taxed.. sickening)..
Adjusting unjust sentences for old, ignorant laws is part of what prop19 SHOULD BE about. Them leaving it out is just another fail.

 

[SCF]

Yeah, its rude and unnecessary, but you have a right to act the way you want.


Um, ok lol. Yeah I remember using that to show people how you can keep ulimited amounts essentially because of the results of your harvest part. But it says "where grown". On the premises (the house) where grown (the garden).
Specified here:

I have read this bill many times over.


I'm saying, clearly, what I've said many times, it needs to be a direct vote by the people. Not mayors, or governors or representatives. The people. Like they will be in November, there needs to be a special voting event in which people can vote to the legality of the sales of cannabis in their county.




First off, people call it legalizing when its not. Its regulating and taxing. Secondly, yes, if you are legalizing something, that should include adjusting harsh sentences to more appropriate ones.

most intelligent post i've seen all day. Bravo. What you said about THE PEOPLE need to vote it in is huge. This was VERY HARD to get on the ballet. and when the people vote on it, no one in the government can interfere with it. much like Medical marijuana, and how all the cases are getting throwing out, or extremely light sentencing. because the judges know that the people over ride the government.

And if we the people vote it in, no government official can change any part of the law. The law is the law By the people, For the people!!!!!!

 

[SCF]

Sure if done right, with the right genetics! not the ones i like to smoke, and besides, thats once a year!

I can do that with just about any genetic, with enough veg time indoors prior. like a 2 year old mother. which i can buy at Blue Dream old sr 71 for like 75 bucks. and after harvest, you just set up shop indoors untill next outdoors.